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    Quote Originally Posted by hkraft300 View Post
    Recharge doesn't happen unless you're braking. So the coasting through corners is the downforce/drag working, not the kers.
    Also I think recharge rate is affected by brake bias setting.
    Brake bias might be a factor but you're right, downforce is acting nicely here, here's the vid I mentioned (timestamped): watch?v=3D4l4TUj8sQ?t=624

    Well worth a watch to get a better feel for the car in-game. It's such a blast. And here's the record-lap: watch?v=PQmSUHhP3ug

    EDIT: for the vids, just add the YouTube URL in front. NOT my videos, not trying to promote anything, so had to "cheat" the antispam a bit.
    EDIT2: I still think there might be moderate recharging when coasting, as many hybrids/EVs do IRL, but I'm not sure if this is turned all the way down or non-existent in this car, it kinda defeats the purpose of a racing machine to slow down that much as soon as you lift off the gas.

    By the way, if anyone figures out the areo combination to reach 350Km/h I'd love to take a look and test it, I feel I need a little extra on the back straight on the ring. I'm not trying to get close to the record, my ability is galaxies beyond that, but I do try to get as close as possible.

    On another note, I also tried the Audi e-tron Quattro '16, GRRRRIIIIPPP for dayz!!! Shame it's right-hand drive, those carbon-fiber A-pillars are so much in the way (maybe it's my VR POV).
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    350.873 Sorry, I did it at Le Mans Vintage, I can't drive that far to do the ring. It's kind of pointless anyway. You need 0 downforce and camber. Even though it shows I have more KERS available the car will stop accelerating at 218. I could possibly go faster but no point really. Never mind, forgot it is gearing limited to 218.
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    FYI. Changed Final Drive, went from 210 to 218.
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    Sorry, I didn't know about the gearing. Anyway you don't need to trim it out, just change final drive. I used kenntnix RBR setup but changed gearing and LSD ramps to 90/90. With a more standard LSD setup(Preload 40, clutches 6, power ramp 75 and coast 30 I was limited to 215 so 90/90 on the ramps gained me 2 mph.
    Screenshot shows 215 but it was 216 for an instant. 347.618, no sense wrecking the handling for 3 kph.
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    Ok, I hit 217 by just increasing preload on the LSD. So 218 is possible without severely messing up your car. I didn't hit the KERS until I reached 192 mph(308.999 kph)
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    Ok, I was able to hit 217 using the ramps at 75/30 but I had to run negative preload.
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    Ok, got 217 using kenntix setup and changing the LSD to this.
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    Last edited by blinkngone; 24-04-2019 at 13:07.
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    Quote Originally Posted by faranhor View Post
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    EDIT2: I still think there might be moderate recharging when coasting, as many hybrids/EVs do IRL, but I'm not sure if this is turned all the way down or non-existent in this car,...
    Quote Originally Posted by Bealdor View Post
    Slight correction, the Porsche does recharge partly through the exhaust.
    As Bealdor said: the 919 has an MGU-H, an electric generator connected to the turbocharger I believe (F1-style?), so it will continue to charge the battery while on boost.

    As for coast regen: like regular EV and the porsche 918 hybrid supercar, they recharge the battery while coasting to reduce the need for brake application and maximise recharge during street driving. I'm sure the real hybrid race cars are capable of doing the same thing and maybe certain engine modes allow it, but I don't think that's replicated in the game. The loss of speed during coasting is probably a function of aerodynamic drag and friction.
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    No re-charge off throttle for me after a top speed run of 217 mph.
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    Blipping the throttle however generates exhaust gas re-charge as Bealdor already stated, he must get tired, eventually, of being right.
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    If I just stay on the gas I can re-charge back almost 40% before I crash at the end of straight. It just seems to me you are going to need a lot of room to do this so Le Mans Vintage and Nordschleife the most likely tracks. From my limited testing I thought blipping might work in short sections.
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    I get about the same re-charge by blipping the throttle as I do staying on the gas so I think you can blip while cornering or between 2 quick corners where full throttle might not be possible.
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    Last edited by blinkngone; 24-04-2019 at 13:50.
    Bikes wrecked-77 Suzuki RM125, 78 Honda Elsinore 250, 81 Honda CB900F, 2000 Kawsaki ZX12R(2), 2001 Honda F4I, 2005 Yamaha R1. A bike hasn't been made I couldn't wreck, spectacularly, but I'm retired now.

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    Super interesting! Thanks all for chipping in and correcting me. I'll give this a go in a couple of days again, trying out some of your LSD settings. I NEVER mess with that simply because I don't understand it at all right now, same as dampers. I try no to mess with them too much, but usually do take a bit of bump stop out.

    Now what would you recommend to avoid bottoming out on the 'Schleife? Just more ride height and stiffer springs all around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by faranhor View Post
    Super interesting! Thanks all for chipping in and correcting me. I'll give this a go in a couple of days again, trying out some of your LSD settings. I NEVER mess with that simply because I don't understand it at all right now, same as dampers. I try no to mess with them too much, but usually do take a bit of bump stop out.

    Now what would you recommend to avoid bottoming out on the 'Schleife? Just more ride height and stiffer springs all around?
    Hey, sorry, I've tried various settings but can't get to 350(218), 217 is the best I have managed. Give me your ride height numbers so I can see if they effect top speed. Usually stiffer springs don't hurt but give me what you are using there as well. Real cars bottom out, the sparks are part of the show. I'm not going to run the ring. Do you know if the straight is long enough to get to use KERS twice? I could do it easily at Le Mans Vintage. I'll get the WR from Nords to see what top speed it has.

    Don't forget to change the final drive. Also give me the LSD settings you are using. Are you on PC??

    Hit 218 with his setup, he had weight distribution forward from kenntix. Sorry wasn't quick enough with the screenshot.
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    Last edited by blinkngone; 24-04-2019 at 14:53.
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    I will if I get into the game later today (remotely, won't be at home for a few days). Generally speaking I tend to agree that bottoming out should really affect top-speed by much but the constant scraping can't be good and sometimes it also upsets the car (felt in various cars, not just the 919).

    As for using KERS, I can use it once fully and then again a tiny bit going up on the final straight, but it certainly doesn't go anywhere close to half full the second time on that straight. I will teak some things when I get back into it, right now listening to Yorkie's vid on differentials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faranhor View Post
    I will if I get into the game later today (remotely, won't be at home for a few days). Generally speaking I tend to agree that bottoming out should really affect top-speed by much but the constant scraping can't be good and sometimes it also upsets the car (felt in various cars, not just the 919).

    As for using KERS, I can use it once fully and then again a tiny bit going up on the final straight, but it certainly doesn't go anywhere close to half full the second time on that straight. I will teak some things when I get back into it, right now listening to Yorkie's vid on differentials.
    If you are on PC all you need to do is share THR's TT setup, he already has the correct gearing.
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    Here is THR's Nordschleiffe ride height, apparently not a big concern. What did you have your ride height set to? 2nd place RH 53/60, 3rd place RH 45/57 and 4th place ride height 53/60.
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    Last edited by blinkngone; 24-04-2019 at 19:01.
    Bikes wrecked-77 Suzuki RM125, 78 Honda Elsinore 250, 81 Honda CB900F, 2000 Kawsaki ZX12R(2), 2001 Honda F4I, 2005 Yamaha R1. A bike hasn't been made I couldn't wreck, spectacularly, but I'm retired now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faranhor View Post
    I will if I get into the game later today (remotely, won't be at home for a few days). Generally speaking I tend to agree that bottoming out should really affect top-speed by much but the constant scraping can't be good and sometimes it also upsets the car (felt in various cars, not just the 919).

    As for using KERS, I can use it once fully and then again a tiny bit going up on the final straight, but it certainly doesn't go anywhere close to half full the second time on that straight. I will teak some things when I get back into it, right now listening to Yorkie's vid on differentials.
    Hey, I have been trying to learn about the KERS on this car. The only track I kind of know is the Daytona Tri Oval. When I started I was over a half second off but extremely gradually I got better, now I am stuck in 2nd at 0:43.159 +0:00.139. So learning when to start KERS once you get on the last straight on Nordschleiffe is going to be a big deal. Maybe you could practice on the Tri Oval just so you can see how much better it is to use KERS in the corner instead of waiting for the straight. For me it is somewhere around turn 1 but when looking at the distance covered in a tenth of a second I am not sure if I am starting a tenth too early or late. I think in your case you will need to know what mph/kph to start KERS the first time or if you need to hit it a little at the Galgenkopf corner because the corners scrub off so much speed.
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    I started KERS later.
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    Got the lead.
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    But his KERS recovered enough that he was able to use it and pipped me to S/F.
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    Last edited by blinkngone; 24-04-2019 at 21:46.
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    Can someone explain, what do you mean by dip into the corners?

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