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    Quote Originally Posted by cluck View Post
    Too old, that's for sure!

    And yes, that command has taken my right back to the days of the hard drive (on an expansion card) we had in our Amstrad PC1512. A bargain at 300 or so (in 80s money) ... for 32MB. Kids today, don't know they're born
    When I bought my first PC back in the late ‘80s I payed Hfl1100, for 2 modules of 8mb ram 16mb in total. That was really expensive. Today you can buy decent PC with 8GB or 16GB of ram for that price.
    HDD’s where a bit cheaper but still very expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan van Beilen View Post
    Oh yes, it was indeed a step towards the future that. Back in the day we'd have to use a cassette tape in one of those Sinclair ZX Spectrum machines. Didn't have any of that harddrive luxury, oh no! You could down a whole pot of tea whilst waiting depending on the program you were loading.


    (You're making me feel old by making me realize that we are basically reenacting that sketch without joking about it )

    Those where the days. I also remember the C64 with a cassette player. You could program your own game. (Type over from a book). Zillion pages. Store it on the casette-tape, and wait and wait and wait until it was loaded.. most irritating thing..... the typos. Lol... today they complain about they have to wait 0.2sec to load a game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olijke Poffer View Post
    Those where the days. I also remember the C64 with a cassette player. You could program your own game. (Type over from a book). Zillion pages. Store it on the casette-tape, and wait and wait and wait until it was loaded.. most irritating thing..... the typos. Lol... today they complain about they have to wait 0.2sec to load a game.
    But then you had great Rob Hubbard loading music to keep you entertained while those 48kB of program code was loading...
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    Pffft, you youngsters with your 48Kb machines

    What staggers me (I'm not even 50) is the growth in storage capacity in the last 26 years. When I started my business with my father, we had two PCs, one with a whopping (!!) 250MB hard drive and the other had a 40MB unit. The 250MB unit was pushing <10MB per second on a good day, with a following wind and a gentle push downhill. It also cost over 200. For that money, I can get a micro-SD card with some 512GB of storage and plenty of change, in something smaller than my little-finger nail and transferring data at hundreds of MBs per second. I truly cannot conceive of what we will have available to us in 25 years' time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluck View Post
    Pffft, you youngsters with your 48Kb machines

    What staggers me (I'm not even 50) is the growth in storage capacity in the last 26 years. When I started my business with my father, we had two PCs, one with a whopping (!!) 250MB hard drive and the other had a 40MB unit. The 250MB unit was pushing <10MB per second on a good day, with a following wind and a gentle push downhill. It also cost over 200. For that money, I can get a micro-SD card with some 512GB of storage and plenty of change, in something smaller than my little-finger nail and transferring data at hundreds of MBs per second. I truly cannot conceive of what we will have available to us in 25 years' time.

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    In 25 years, we'll be writing on clay tablets again

    More seriously, though, in 25 years I expect holographic data storage with practically instant writing and reading of data, irrespective of data amount, in something the size of a grain of salt that will contain terabytes of data.
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    Amen. In 25 Years I hope to see a VR world like the Holodeck in Start Trek. :-)
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    Yes storage was the part of computing with highest improve. For the money of my fist HDD of 40MB, now I would get a drive of 10TB, that is 250.000 times more storage. No other parameter had similar evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sankyo View Post
    In 25 years, we'll be writing on clay tablets again

    More seriously, though, in 25 years I expect holographic data storage with practically instant writing and reading of data, irrespective of data amount, in something the size of a grain of salt that will contain terabytes of data.
    I believe we already have holographic storage systems now in a working state, where you can write in 'plastic?' cards like you see in the original Star Trek. Or at least they were working on something similar.

    Storage has been something that has indeed progressed nicely. Although I do feel that in the last decade it has been really slow comparatively.
    The transition from megabyte big drives into the first gigabyte sized drives transitioned fast, and before we knew it we had 100GB drives.
    Now on the other hand we are still stuck at the maximum of 16TB, whilst my Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB drives are from 2009. That is pretty slow development in my book.
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    Doing some rough calculations, hard drives were ~1 per MB back in 1993 for good drives (just based on my memory - never a good yardstick ). Doing only the briefest of checks, you can get a good 4TB drive off Amazon today for ~105. In other words, 1993 prices were 1000 per GB, compared to ~0.025 per GB today. That equates to 40,000x the storage for the same money.

    If RAM had increased at the same pace, we'd have 40GB of RAM now for 30 (based on my memory, no pun intended, of 1MB modules costing 30 back then), instead of, I think, the 8GB it actually buys.

    Of course, that also doesn't take into account the increase in performance. Modern hard drives are pushing well over 100MB per second data transfer, compared single-digit (or double, if you were posh!) transfer rates. RAM has also increased from 33Mhz to over 3000Mhz, in effect a near 100x performance boost. If you want the same type of performance boost in hard drives, you're looking at SSD and almost pushing into low-end nvme drives, where prices are nearer 0.10 per GB. That drops the RAM storage to about 10GB, something VERY close to what's available. In other words, hard drives and RAM have pretty much matched each other on a cost and performance increase over the last 25 years.

    I think I need to get out more.


    (my maths and memory are probably really shonky, so I will happily stand corrected on all of the above )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olijke Poffer View Post
    Amen. In 25 Years I hope to see a VR world like the Holodeck in Start Trek. :-)
    Actually in 25 years I hope to still see forests near my home town that I can visit with my grandchildren...
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