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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimeyDog View Post
    Exactly but My point was his program wasn't working/Loading correctly so it couldn't hurt to try Defrag to see if it gets things straight.
    A defrag definitely has no influence on if a program loads or not. My best guess is it is the restart that did it for you. Unless there were bad sectors in your HHD and the defrag process somehow managed to move data securely in a different place, but this is a very long shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpcdem View Post
    A defrag definitely has no influence on if a program loads or not. My best guess is it is the restart that did it for you. Unless there were bad sectors in your HHD and the defrag process somehow managed to move data securely in a different place, but this is a very long shot.
    Dunno what it is all I know is that's what works... Some times restart by its self works but after big updates like ACC and Pcars1 were getting restart alone didn't get it working... Even some Fanatec FW acts Funny till I defrag... Fanatec FW is the most deleted and Installed Item on My PC But in Most cases the FW gets better and better... But the last 2 or 3 were screwed

    End Result if I kill a tad bit of SDD/ HDD Life as long as it gets things working its worth it and I'm happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bealdor View Post
    Unless I'm missing the sarcasm here, yes this is really bad advice.
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    Just remember that each chipset whether they use DRAM or not will have its own storage matrix. Also make sure TRIM is enabled in Windows and also remember each SSD has a set write life and thats normally around 40-60TB's.

    The SSD will do its own version of a defrag anyway because the storage matrix throws the files anywhere it can find enough space (Like blob storage) and when idle it re-shuffles the files in an order (Building the $MFT) but this also doesn't include DRAM and the MFT being stored in DRAM.
    If you get a SSD that has DRAM then the master file table is stored there and not the actual memory chip! This makes it very fast for finding files when you execute an application like AutoCAD or even a game as the lookup table is way more responsive.
    You will find DRAM-Less SSD's speed degradation when you have a 1TB drive and you fill it with 1TB of files, it starts off fast but will get very slow after 300 gig.
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    I appreciate that I'm a bit late to this discussion and I'm not sure that what I am going to say is going to add anything, rather confirm some posts already made. For background, I spent nearly 26 years running an IT sales and support business and spent that time at the sharp end, doing the techy stuff.

    Back when we started our business, and prior to that, hard drives were as slow as chuff, with data transfer rates occasionally making an appearance in the double-digit MBs per second area. A defrag had immediate and tangible benefits, given that the time to defrag was far outweighed by the time saved in everything loading. Norton Utilities, in those days, was worth its weight in gold. As drive performance increased over the years, the need to defrag became less and less, especially on the average user's computer (after all, most users install programs and occasionally upgrade them, mostly just adding their own data files). There were still benefits to defragging, no doubt, but those benefits were diminishing and I would argue strongly that it would be highly unusual to regain the time lost to the defrag process.

    Cut to now and you have 2 types of drive available - HDD and SSD. As has been written multiple times in here, defragging a SSD drive is counter-productive and positively detrimental to the life of the SSD unit. In short, DO NOT defrag a SSD. HDDs are also unlikely to need defragging on a regular basis unless you are constantly removing and installing new software. Even then, the speed of a modern drive is in the high tens (and low hundreds) of MBs per second, so the benefits of a defrag are negligible in most cases, meaning that you are unlikely to reclaim the time the defrag process took.

    If your hard drive is crap and/or not been defragged in a while and been subjected to lots and lots of software removals and installs then a defrag might provide a small boost in performance. Otherwise, meh, I'd leave Windows to handle it on its own built-in schedule, to run when the PC is idle.

    Your mileage may vary of course and, anecdotally, everybody will have had different experiences at some point or other, but I can say that, from memory, it must be 10 years or more since I manually ran a defrag on a hard drive.
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    How old are we, cluck. Sure you have used the command "PARK" before shutting down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asturbo View Post
    How old are we, cluck. Sure you have used the command "PARK" before shutting down...
    Too old, that's for sure!

    And yes, that command has taken my right back to the days of the hard drive (on an expansion card) we had in our Amstrad PC1512. A bargain at 300 or so (in 80s money) ... for 32MB. Kids today, don't know they're born
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    Quote Originally Posted by cluck View Post
    Too old, that's for sure!

    And yes, that command has taken my right back to the days of the hard drive (on an expansion card) we had in our Amstrad PC1512. A bargain at 300 or so (in 80s money) ... for 32MB. Kids today, don't know they're born
    Yup, my 10 megger Western Digital is also on an expansion IDE card. ISA slot. 32 megs though... that's quite something!

    They look a little something like this, for those kids reading along.
    Hardcards they were called it seems (never knew that myself): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcard

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    IDE? Luxury... When I were a lad, there were fourteen of us, huddled round our MFM hard drive, using it to keep us warm at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cluck View Post
    IDE? Luxury... When I were a lad, there were fourteen of us, huddled round our MFM hard drive, using it to keep us warm at night.

    (channels 'Four Yorkshiremen' sketch)
    Oh yes, it was indeed a step towards the future that. Back in the day we'd have to use a cassette tape in one of those Sinclair ZX Spectrum machines. Didn't have any of that harddrive luxury, oh no! You could down a whole pot of tea whilst waiting depending on the program you were loading.


    (You're making me feel old by making me realize that we are basically reenacting that sketch without joking about it )
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