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Thread: I thought i am good... coming from PS3 Gt6... now i am dead last all the time

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    I thought i am good... coming from PS3 Gt6... now i am dead last all the time

    New here.... to some more serious sim racing (although many said PC2 is not really a sim....from what i read)

    pls have a look ...
    using G27 drivehub on xb1.
    a beginner i on xb1.

    at difficulty 60 (which is default)
    can some one.. give me some suggestion on....what is wrong with my driving?
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    for some reason.. i am unable to attach... google photo video... shared..
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    * Braking too late/ missing your brake points by a mile.
    * Miss-judging your steering angle
    * Racing line - you don't know the track well enough.
    * driving too fast.

    I had a shock going from gt6 to project cars too. It's normal. You may have read that pc2 is "not a sim" , but anyone who says that really doesn't know what they're talking about.
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    I don't know GT6, but I'm pretty sure that bad habits learned in that game that you will get away with in it will get punished by pC2, simply because the realism level of pC2 is a lot higher. Hkraft300 already summarized the most important bits, which means that the number one thing to learn right now is how to properly go around the track.
    Find the right lines and the right brake points, preferably by doing many laps by yourself. Slow in and fast out is the basic rule for cornering, remember that you cannot compensate for late braking by turning you steering wheel to full lock. You'll lose a lot of speed, and usually you'll just understeer off the asphalt.
    Racing AI or other players is then the next step, where you basically also stick to the racing line as much as possible. If you try to overtake other cars when completely off the racing line in or close to corners, you'll lose lot of speed and momentum through the corners. You'll have to set up your overtakes properly and overtake in the right spots, so your lines through the corners get compromised as little as possible.
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    Start with slower cars. Ginetta juniors, GT5, ford escort rs, formula rookie perhaps.
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    Ye gt6 has a poor version of understeer and oversteer rarely happens even on throttle in high power cars. No other form of oversteer exists either. The last few Forza are much better in that respect.

    Anyway. Ye. Learn the track, and brake early. You won't find time braking late, but getting good exit out of corners. This will also help you set up for the next corner.
    Late braking is a skill you'll develop later on automatically.
    Slow down. Catch your breath. Calm your nerves. You'll better absorb the feel of the vehicles and the flow of the track.

    Also recommend driver61 on YT. He has great instructional videos on the basics.
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    Two more things:
    - The dark racing groove on the track can help you finding your brake points and your lines. Where it starts to darken before corners is where you will have to start braking, more or less. And the groove itself shows you pretty much the optimum line into and out of corners.
    - It seems to me from the video that you're not (yet) able to steer smoothly. Not sure why, maybe it's because you don't know the track well enough, but it could also be that you need to increase the steering ratio of the car a bit so that it will react less nervously on your steering input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sankyo View Post
    - The dark racing groove on the track can help you finding your brake points and your lines. Where it starts to darken before corners is where you will have to start braking, more or less. And the groove itself shows you pretty much the optimum line into and out of corners.
    I was doing that and missing the apex for a long time. I pulled back my brake point to a few meters before the mark and concentrated on getting the apex. This improved my consistency and lap times dramatically.
    Eventually my brake point got much deeper. Now in a race around traffic I've found flexibility in my brake points and racing line.
    Eventually you learn multiple brake marks because one or more markers might be obscured by cars ahead. But I agree this is probably the first and easiest place to be looking at initially, concentrating on keeping your eyes on the road.
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    Anytime you find yourself going at a drastically different speed than other cars in your vicinity, that's a hint that you might be misjudging your speed.

    It has already been mentioned that you are too hot/deep into many of the corners, but I wanted to point out the visual cues of running up on the car in front of you, or leaving a car that's along side you as you dive-bomb into a corner.

    It's *possible* to outbrake your opponent into a corner but that's one of the riskiest ways to find time. The payoff when done correctly is small, and the cost when done incorrectly is huge.

    Try to "win" on exit. -particularly when there is a long straight on said exit.

    As for PC2 being a sim. I practiced a track I had never been to, with a car that I was going to rent, in PC2 and then drove that car/combo IRL....and PC2 nailed it. In my limited testing PC2 "simulates" RL very well.
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    Thank you so much for all the help!!!
    Everything suggested seem like basic knowledge.
    But again. Knowing things in theory vs Applying it is a whole different thing.

    And like you all mentioned... GT6 must be too forgiving.
    Many thanks to all the suggestion and tips. i will have to give it a try again.
    (the first race forced me to drive that F3? race car... I am not sure why...career mode is like that)


    btw, a side track question, I also brought Asserto C for Xbox1. Which I FAIL miserable as well. (I turn from Default HARD to Easy and i can finally catch up, during the straight stretch,,,,,)
    what do u guys think about Asserto compare to PC2 ? are they both similar in terms of Sim racing? Also on Xbox1.

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