Announcing Project CARS 2 - Sign Up Closed

[Rob Prange]

Following Project CARS’ smashing success around the globe, Slightly Mad Studios are proud to announce the second title to be funded & developed by their innovative World of Mass Development portal: Project CARS 2.

World of Mass Development once again allows gamers around the world to help shape & develop an AAA racing title, giving every interested gamer the chance to follow the development process from up close by getting access to regular development builds and vote on key decisions regarding the title’s development.

More details are available over at WMD:

http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/announcing-project-cars-2-sign-up-now/

[mister dog]

When i click on the link in the PCARS 2 page, i'm directed to a login on WMD (username/password) without the ability to chose a tier level?
What do i need to do, as i want to sign up now.

Edit: Never mind I figured out the registration part ;)

[JessicaWalter]

ditto. also, do you accept dollars, lol?

[PeoplesChampion]

When i click on the link in the PCARS 2 page, i'm directed to a login on WMD (username/password) without the ability to chose a tier level?
What do i need to do, as i want to sign up now.

Edit: Never mind I figured out the registration part ;)

I would also like to register and invest.

[Ch1ps N Queso]

When i click on the link in the PCARS 2 page, i'm directed to a login on WMD (username/password) without the ability to chose a tier level?
What do i need to do, as i want to sign up now.

Edit: Never mind I figured out the registration part ;)

Did you register for an account?

[sankt86]

Following Project CARS’ smashing success around the globe, Slightly Mad Studios are proud to announce the second title to be funded & developed by their innovative World of Mass Development portal: Project CARS 2.

World of Mass Development once again allows gamers around the world to help shape & develop an AAA racing title, giving every interested gamer the chance to follow the development process from up close by getting access to regular development builds and vote on key decisions regarding the title’s development.

More details are available over at WMD:

http://www.wmdportal.com/projectnews/announcing-project-cars-2-sign-up-now/

~Thanks for the update!
It's great and exciting news. Vision of Project Cars II looks promising. We wish to see its delivery as marked!

[Pink_650S]

The Project CARS 2 Vision

PRO RACING. ANYTIME. ANYWHERE.
•THE LARGEST TRACK ROSTER EVER – 50 unique locations and 200+ courses including ‘loose surface racing’ on dirt, gravel, mud, and snow. All will have dynamic time of day and weather allowing you to play anytime, anywhere
•THE WIDEST VARIETY OF MOTORSPORTS with 8 different disciplines now including Rallycross, Hillclimbs, and Touge. 200+ cars from over 40 different vehicle classes including never-before-seen Concepts and Banned Race Cars
•CO-OP CAREER – Play as the Teammate Driver, Spotter, Driver Swap, or Co-Pilot. More choices, more opportunities, more strategy, greater risks and greater rewards
•SEAMLESSLY CONNECTED – Socialize and compete via Online Track Days, have players from around the world take the place of AI-controlled drivers in your solo play, and get news updates on the Driver Network around you
•PRO ESPORTS RACING – Skill & Behavioural-based matchmaking, create your own Online Racing Leagues, and Live Broadcast and Spectator functionality
•YOUR HOME FOR RACING – Your own personal, customisable Test Track to tune and test your cars. Invite others to showcase your passion for racing and learn race craft and engineering with the Project CARS Academy


:love_heart:
Wow guys!
l hope you can pull this off, it sounds amazing on paper, l wish you all the best for your new project :)

[chig88]

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[Ch1ps N Queso]

Activation not working. Will try later.

[mister dog]

Did you register for an account?

Yes i did now, click on the link to register and when you get at the logon page, click on the other link mentioned in the message to really register at WMD ;)

[fix_Y]

Project CARS 2 ??? WHY?? Projoect cars 1 is ready?:culpability:

After p.1.4 "Drive" menu unavailable(10/8), multiplayer lobby= big, big zero, 3 monitor support for hud= zero ... etc..etc..etc.. only see the forums...

THE FIRST FINISH THE PC1, please!

[Seps1974]

Will it be exclusively developed on PC?

[mister dog]

Project CARS 2 ??? WHY?? Projoect cars 1 is ready?:culpability:

After p.1.4 "Drive" menu unavailable(10/8), multiplayer lobby= big, big zero, 3 monitor support for hud= zero ... etc..etc..etc.. only see the forums...

THE FIRST FINISH THE PC1, please!

Don't worry, SMS have been divided into 2 teams now, one will continue to support and develop PCARS 1 further whilst the other part will start on PCARS 2. PCARS 2 will probably only be released in a couple of years, but development is a lengthy process hence why it is starting now already.

[doyley101]

Is there any point registering as a filthy console peasant? Don't want to waste my money :)

[lloydyUK]

:D ive only just bought Project Cars 1. Great news though

[JessicaWalter]

Is there any point registering as a filthy console peasant? Don't want to waste my money :)

that's a very valid point

[Maurice Boeschen]

Cant register with my name because it is already in use?! There must be something wrong...

[ryandtw]

I'd be interested with pCARS 2! (Chances are I'm going to have a new computer by the time pCARS 2 comes out to the public...)

[oscarolim]

Is there any point registering as a filthy console peasant? Don't want to waste my money :)

From the second tier you can choose the platform you want your copy of the game.

[FA RACING 01]

Will it be exclusively developed on PC?

Would love to hear the answer too. Still hope I'm wrong, but I suspect development will be PC exclusive.

[MattyHodgson123]

Is there any way of signing up as a Console user? Also, don't you now have a bit of cash to use as development funds for the PC2? Have you blown all of the profits on drink and drugs already?

[Siberian Tiger]

Would love to hear the answer too. Still hope I'm wrong, but I suspect development will be PC exclusive.

Yes, developement will be PC exclusiv...

For Console Testing DEV Kit's would be needed, and they are not available for the Public...

[Elmo]

To be clear upfront: This doesn't mean support for pCars 1 will stop.

SMS will have one team working on improving pCars 1, while the other team starts working on pCars 2.

[Ian Bell]

Guys, it's not even worth repeating it anymore.

Just remove those that whinge excessively and those with a brain can judge us by our actions of the next year or so.

[Maurice Boeschen]

Guys, it's not even worth repeating it anymore.

Just remove those that whinge excessively and those with a brain can judge us by our actions of the next year or so.

Ian can you please have a look at my issue? I want to get into pCars 2 from day one (so.. today :D) but the system says I cant join the program with my real name Maurice Boeschen or Maurice Böschen because either the name is already used or doesnt meet the requirements. For the Böschen I can understand this error because you dont accept ö in a name but Maurice Boeschen should be usable and not already in use, isnt it?

[Rustyjaw]

I love Project CARS, and I have faith that the bugs will steadily be ironed out from here on. BUT. I think his is a bad PR move, to be honest. I'm sure from a development perspective, this makes sense, given the time needed to deliver a new game...but when you're asking for people's money up front, impressions and PR are critical. This feels tone-deaf. Too many people are still having serious issues with V1.

[Markeeez]

If I sign up and donate do we get the beta versions on PS4 or is it pc only?

[Ian Bell]

Ian can you please have a look at my issue? I want to get into pCars 2 from day one (so.. today :D) but the system says I cant join the program with my real name Maurice Boeschen or Maurice Böschen because either the name is already used or doesnt meet the requirements. For the Böschen I can understand this error because you dont accept ö in a name but Maurice Boeschen should be usable and not already in use, isnt it?

SURE, POINTING OUR GUYS TO YOU NOW.

(caps lock sorry)

[mister dog]

Is there a delay when paying through paypal? I can read threads on the forum and i am correctly registered but i can't post at the moment.

Bronze membership here as it's the end of the month, and the pound/euro rate isn't the best neither lol :)

[Awong124]

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[MaXyM]

I would also like to register and invest.

You should read the agreement conditions first (or at least available packages description). In opposite to pCars1, there is no single word about investment.

[NemethR]

I jumped, and grabbed the chance, I also registered to the Forum, but how do I participate in the funding process?!

Also, If I choose to buy in small (bronze membership) now, can I upgrade that later, or should I wait 1 or 2 months, and get the gold membership?
Sorr for the n00b questions, but I did not really find info about this one.

[FA RACING 01]

Yes, developement will be PC exclusiv...

For Console Testing DEV Kit's would be needed, and they are not available for the Public...

Thanks for answering mate. It's a real pitty consoles are out, but quite understandable. Good luck to all then with the project.

[Siberian Tiger]

I jumped, and grabbed the chance, I also registered to the Forum, but how do I participate in the funding process?!

Also, If I choose to buy in small (bronze membership) now, can I upgrade that later, or should I wait 1 or 2 months, and get the gold membership?
Sorr for the n00b questions, but I did not really find info about this one.

Yes you have the ability to step up later ;) Put in what you have and then you can Upgrade later :)

[Lars Rosenquist]

I jumped, and grabbed the chance, I also registered to the Forum, but how do I participate in the funding process?!This link (http://pcars2.wmdportal.com/toolpacks.php).


Also, If I choose to buy in small (bronze membership) now, can I upgrade that laterYes.

[chig88]

Yes, developement will be PC exclusiv...

For Console Testing DEV Kit's would be needed, and they are not available for the Public...

A shame, but understandable.

Would have been fun to participate from the start but I will never buy a gaming PC, so it's not to be! (Hey that rhymes :))

[Ch1ps N Queso]

Starting with Bronze as well. Can't post on the forum. Please advise.

[NemethR]

Yes you have the ability to step up later ;) Put in what you have and then you can Upgrade later :)


This link (http://pcars2.wmdportal.com/toolpacks.php).

Yes.



Thank you guys!

[Flakeyship]

Can I be wood(£10) just to read the forum?? Bronze
(£50) is too much :(

[Ian Bell]

I have a question, I want to buy the silver membership but I'm a PlayStation 4 gamer and don't play on the pc. Would there be any game to play before release on consoles? Or do you only get early access on pc.

We are looking into being able to ship alpha and beta versions (and a massive stretch, perhaps earlier versions) on consoles.

It won't be like PC with 'almost' daily builds but it will allow you to start playing earlier.

[mister dog]

Can I be wood(£10) just to read the forum?? Bronze
(£50) is too much :(

Wood membership sounds a bit weird though :)

[Ian Bell]

Can I be wood(£10) just to read the forum?? Bronze
(£50) is too much :(

It might be for you and I respect that. It's certainly not for what you get for your money.

[diesel97]

I like that if you buy into the platinum pack you get invited for the weekend and get to drive a Ferrari 458 spider for the weekend . Maybe SMS is getting better bed buddies with them .:triumphant:

[Maurice Boeschen]

SURE, POINTING OUR GUYS TO YOU NOW.

(caps lock sorry)

Thanks :D
Really wanna join with my complete name Maurice Boeschen.. When I join now with only Maurice, would it be possible to add my surname Boeschen later?

[Seps1974]

We are looking into being able to ship alpha and beta versions (and a massive stretch, perhaps earlier versions) on consoles.

It won't be like PC with 'almost' daily builds but it will allow you to start playing earlier.

That's enough for me. :cool:

[Gavin Thomas]

Ok been dying for this day to come, and now I can't log in to WMD to support it.

Do I have to set up a new account ?

[Brooksmeister13]

"never-before-seen Concepts and Banned Race Cars"
Fan car and Can-Am hype! (pretty please)

[Bealdor]

Ok been dying for this day to come, and now I can't log in to WMD to support it.

Do I have to set up a new account ?

Yes.

[diesel97]

"never-before-seen Concepts and Banned Race Cars"
Fan car and Can-Am hype! (pretty please)

Sound like some sort of track editor too

[Gavin Thomas]

Yes.

Thanks for confirming that Beal :D

[t0daY]

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Gold Member for me :)

[Alex Hobbs]

Gonna hold fire on this one out of necessity until returns from pc1 come in, but it's good to see that dirt will be the focus :D

[Mair0]

first of all: Sorry, but english isn`t my native language.

Is it possible again to "just" support you with my money? Or do I have to be a active part of the development process?
Sounds crazy, yes but my english isn`t the best and i want to support you Mr. Bell and all your fantastic crew members @SMS.

I want to honor all your love an passion you`ve invested in PCars just with being a passive silver member!

[flyoffacliff]

pCARS 1 just came out and is still riddled with bugs. And you want more money for another one!?

[mister dog]

pCARS 1 just came out and is still riddled with bugs. And you want more money for another one!?

Time for the now famous 'lord give me strength' line.

[jimmyb_84]

I've not read the WMD portal membership requirements but if I pay for development do I get a copy of the game when released or do I have to buy it?

I'm on PS4 and would love to play a part in development if possible.

[flyoffacliff]

Time for the now famous 'lord give me strength' line.

Why? :confused:

EDIT: I am now relying on 3rd party mods to make the game somewhat playable. And no one from SMS will help me.

[Whisky]

i love Project cars and i'm glad there will be a Project cars 2 aswell.
anyway i would wish sms could use every resource they got right now to fix the main issues of pcars 1 as first instead of Splitting into 2 Teams.

just my opinion...

[Pcars]

"never-before-seen Concepts and Banned Race Cars"
Fan car and Can-Am hype! (pretty please)

Group B rally!

[octeer240]

Got my gold edition :)

[Invincible]

I've not read the WMD portal membership requirements but if I pay for development do I get a copy of the game when released or do I have to buy it?

I'm on PS4 and would love to play a part in development if possible.

You will receive a free copy of the game when it is released. For Bronze members it is PC only, silver and above can choose their platform on which they want it.
But notice - you probably won't be able to test on PS4 or any other console. You would need a dev kit for that. Also development starts on PC.

Ps: I went gold!

[Avetorian]

I will be definitely reserving my bronze copy at the earliest opportunity. While I get why some might question the timing of the Pcars2 announcement. I fully understand how it works, just like Pcars1 was announced along time ago. This is the same deal with Pcars2, it is a community assisted racing sim. We're simply seeing the insides of this game's development. Naturally companies will start planning for a sequel after they're finished with their current product (Depending on over all success of course). It's not as if Pcars2 is coming out tomorrow. Lol

That being said, I look forward to providing feedback as soon as I get my hands on it. I may be a bronze peasant =p but I"ll do what I can.

[Ingo_Schwartz]

Man if only I could jump on that Diamond! Gold will have to do on payday :)

[Neil Bateman]

i love Project cars and i'm glad there will be a Project cars 2 aswell.
anyway i would wish sms could use every resource they got right now to fix the main issues of pcars 1 as first instead of Splitting into 2 Teams.

just my opinion...

There is a team of about 130 at SMS, that is how many are needed to build a game from the ground up, you dont then need all 130 of them to fix bugs.

[Bigbazz]

I'l be going Bronze, though would like to know the deadline for this as I'm probably scraping the barrel at this point to shell out £50 for a PC game is quite a lot!

[Elmo]

Why? :confused:

EDIT: I am now relying on 3rd party mods to make the game somewhat playable. And no one from SMS will help me.

This is not true, we are looking at every proper issue report.

Read this (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?32482-Announcing-Project-CARS-2-Sign-Up-Now!&p=1007974#post1007974)

[mkstatto]

Here's where I am at, I would love to participate in the 'next' stage of this game. I simply do not have a PC powerful enough or am I looking into getting a gaming PC. For high end titles I use my Xbox. I love adding feedback to this forum in trying to help make the game a bit better.

At the same time only a month ago I shelled out £40 for the first game, it sounds stupid but even a purchase of £50 has to scrimped and saved for (that's what a £5k a year season ticket from MK to London gets you).

If their was an ultra light option in which you could put in, I'd be more than happy with the caveat of contributing on the development forums and some builds on the Xbox with the option to put more in later.

Sadly can't be done at the moment.:grey:

[flyoffacliff]

This is not true, we are looking at every proper issue report.

Read this (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?32482-Announcing-Project-CARS-2-Sign-Up-Now!&p=1007974#post1007974)

Not mine. Would about this one? http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?29789-Game-Save-Not-Working!

[flyoffacliff]

The page won't load now, it says "Error establishing a database connection". I was not done reading it.

[Dameyon]

I would definitely buy a hghertier of this if this were available in the new gamepreview program. I only game on my xbox at present butnwill still support you on bronze. May think about getting a steam box. Should work right?

[Pamellaaa]

I am currently getting a database error, is this just me or is the site down? Very keen to get involved with this after not getting in on it last time.

[Umer Ahmad]

Hmm...link gives me an error. Did we crash the forum server?

[Enafox]

I am currently getting a database error, is this just me or is the site down? Very keen to get involved with this after not getting in on it last time.

Me too!!

[Ian Bell]

We're having a massive attack at the minute guys. Vittorio is on it.

(A good attack)

[Disgustipated]

As you can see from my reg date, I hesitated on backing pCARS1 and never got in on it. Huge mistake. Will be backing this time around for sure, at least as soon as the site comes back up!

[DiNet]

Hope this one flops hard.
Can't even fix damn 1st game 6 weeks after release and announcing new one.
6 weeks and ton of time in development with thousands "beta" testers...
Good job on showing EA who's the boss tho

[Rustyjaw]

There is a team of about 130 at SMS, that is how many are needed to build a game from the ground up, you dont then need all 130 of them to fix bugs.

This will be my last post on the subject, I promise.

When asking for funding up front, one must keep in mind the impression of your funding audience. Your audience is largely here, and a great number of them are not yet able to play the current game without running into issues (me included). The impression is that you are asking for money for a future game without yet correcting the current one. This is a bad move, and will not help the funding goal. Better to have waited a bit longer, patch up the current game, get it into better shape...and THEN ask for money. Again, I'm not talking about the actual logistics of the project, just the impression you are making on your fan-base and potential funders.

Note, I wish SMS total success. This is why I find this decision worrisome.

[HLR Ghosty]

This link seems to be still up and running.

http://pcars2.wmdportal.com/toolpacks.php

[Freestyler0908]

We are looking into being able to ship alpha and beta versions (and a massive stretch, perhaps earlier versions) on consoles.

It won't be like PC with 'almost' daily builds but it will allow you to start playing earlier.

On XboxOne there is now an EarlyAccess Programm. Hope, you will use it.

[Ian Bell]

Hope this one flops hard.
Can't even fix damn 1st game 6 weeks after release and announcing new one.
6 weeks and ton of time in development with thousands "beta" testers...
Good job on showing EA who's the boss tho

Bye.

[thepharcyde]

Are you sure this if not the out of beta PCars 1?

[DiNet]

Bye.

Can I get a refund for the ripoff I got because I bought directly from website vs steam?

[jimmyb_84]

You will receive a free copy of the game when it is released. For Bronze members it is PC only, silver and above can choose their platform on which they want it.
But notice - you probably won't be able to test on PS4 or any other console. You would need a dev kit for that. Also development starts on PC.

Ps: I went gold!

Cheers for the info, I'd probably go Silver but I'm not currently working otherwise I would. It would end in divorce and it would be Ian Bell's fault ;)

[Freestyler0908]

Can I get a refund for the ripoff I got because I bought directly from website vs steam?

What ripoff? Did a 14 User online Race on X1. It works fine. I´m happy with the Game.

[Ian Bell]

Can I get a refund for the ripoff I got because I bought directly from website vs steam?

No.

[Freestyler0908]

The Bad News is, that the page is unavailable...

[Dameyon]

We are looking into being able to ship alpha and beta versions (and a massive stretch, perhaps earlier versions) on consoles.

It won't be like PC with 'almost' daily builds but it will allow you to start playing earlier.

Do we just indicate that we are console users? Also how soon will you guys definitely know that this is something you will provide for console users? I also wnt to know when the deadline is for this, i have some decisions to make relativr to the tier i want to go with depending on what is available fof console gamers. i still want to support this project regardless.

[Freestyler0908]

And again, please use the XboxOne EarlyAccess Programm...

[Ian Bell]

Do we just indicate that we are console users? Also how soon will you guys definitely know that this is something you will provide for console users? I also wnt to know when the deadline is for this, i have some decisions to make relativr to the tier i want to go with depending on what is available fof console gamers. i still want to support this project regardless.

We will provide at least alpha and beta builds yes.

[dominiczeth]

Now it's clear why SMS was kicked out by EA. SMS was too greedy for EA. Even EA takes a better care of their games.

Yes you know how business works. :yes:

And what is the name of your game company?

[Ian Bell]

Yes you know how business works. :yes:

And what is the name of your game company?

Don't worry, he's now 'Bye Bukas'.

[Dinett]

No.

Why not?
Also banning me doesn't fix broken pcars.

[Jabbar993]

Joined, waiting for activation e-mail, hope it will arrive soon :-) You definitely have my support! ;)

[Equation]

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[BMW328]

If we get the bronze Tier will we also have access to the Xbox alpha and beta if it happens? or just he PC version

Thanks for the awesome game

[Ian Bell]

Why not?
Also banning me doesn't fix broken pcars.

We'll inform your IP next.

IP range ban mods.

[Whisky]

If we get the bronze Tier will we also have access to the Xbox alpha and beta if it happens? or just he PC version

Thanks for the awesome game

bronze = pc Version only

[MULTIVITZ]

Is it a possibility that there will be cross platform gaming in the future?

[Dameyon]

We will provide at least alpha and beta builds yes.

when is deadline?

[Pamellaaa]

I am currently getting a database error, is this just me or is the site down? Very keen to get involved with this after not getting in on it last time.

Now working and fully signed up :)

[rbl]

We will provide at least alpha and beta builds yes.

Maybe worth pointing out, that PCARS spent a LOT of time in pre-alpha stage, so if PCARS2 follows the same "naming scheme" (different developers have different understading of alpha, beta, rc, ....) the alpha version won't be available for some time

[LordDRIFT]

Is there a link to the price tiers?

[BMW328]

bronze = pc Version only

Yeah i saw that part, and thouhgt that was maybe just for the copy of the final game that you get, but i would like to be able to have access to the XBOX alpha/beta as well. so just wondering if only certain teirs will have access to that before i decide what teir to buy.

[HLR Ghosty]

Have signed up on the forum using my username from here, before I purchase is it possible for someone to change it to my real name?

[KID--A]

Seems so soon to be announcing a PC2 already. I mean, I get that it will likely take years for them to complete the game, but dang... What's my incentive to buy any DLC for the current version? I thought PC was supposed to be a long-term plan type game. I was expecting to get tracks/cars for years after launch. I am undecided on my support for PC2....

[Siberian Tiger]

Seems so soon to be announcing a PC2 already. I mean, I get that it will likely take years for them to complete the game, but dang... What's my incentive to buy any DLC for the current version? I thought PC was supposed to be a long-term plan type game. I was expecting to get tracks/cars for years after launch. I am undecided on my support for PC2....

Pcars 1 will have at least a 2 Year Support after it's initial Release... So you will get a lot more Content and Features and Fixes for pCars 1 ;)
No Worries...

[Freestyler0908]

PCars 2 seems to be another type of Racing like Ralley

[Ryno917]

Seems so soon to be announcing a PC2 already. I mean, I get that it will likely take years for them to complete the game, but dang... What's my incentive to buy any DLC for the current version? I thought PC was supposed to be a long-term plan type game. I was expecting to get tracks/cars for years after launch. I am undecided on my support for PC2....

Keep in mind that this isn't a typical 'announcement.' Usually, when a game is announced it's already well along its development path. WMD is different - you get in early, right near the beginning, and you influence its development. That's what we have here - the very, very early stage where very little is done and we have a chance to influence the final product. That's literally the entire point of the WMD model.

The pCARS2 announcement is unlike another game announcement. It's a 'Hey! Come join us and let's build this game together. We're just getting rolling here.'

Every single person who is upset about the announcement simply doesn't understand this. pCARS1 is still being actively worked on (fixes and new content) and will be for some time still, but part of the SMS team is now working on the next iteration in the series. That's exactly what every other studio does, the difference here is that the announcement for the next iteration comes earlier because they want us to give input in the game before its too late.

[transfix]

hmmm is there a way to convert the currency? I want to know what Platinum will actually cost.

[KID--A]

Keep in mind that this isn't a typical 'announcement.' Usually, when a game is announced it's already well along its development path. WMD is different - you get in early, right near the beginning, and you influence its development. That's what we have here - the very, very early stage where very little is done and we have a chance to influence the final product. That's literally the entire point of the WMD model.

The pCARS2 announcement is unlike another game announcement. It's a 'Hey! Come join us and let's build this game together. We're just getting rolling here.'

Every single person who is upset about the announcement simply doesn't understand this. pCARS1 is still being actively worked on (fixes and new content) and will be for some time still, but part of the SMS team is now working on the next iteration in the series. That's exactly what every other studio does, the difference here is that the announcement for the next iteration comes earlier because they want us to give input in the game before its too late.

That is pretty much what I was thinking. I am glad you confirmed that. I figure PC2 is at least 2 or 3 years out. I work in Dev so I get how long things can take.

[Freestyler0908]

hmmm is there a way to convert the currency? I want to know what Platinum will actually cost.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=currency+converter

[3800racingfool]

Seems so soon to be announcing a PC2 already. I mean, I get that it will likely take years for them to complete the game, but dang... What's my incentive to buy any DLC for the current version? I thought PC was supposed to be a long-term plan type game. I was expecting to get tracks/cars for years after launch. I am undecided on my support for PC2....

Looking at the WMD announcement page, they've got some big dreams they're shooting for. I'm gonna say development is going to be a while on PC2.

That said, how long is the WMD signup available for? Is it on a deadline (ala kickstarter) or just until the target is reached? Don't really have the scratch at the moment to back it but I'd love to when I do.

[HighBooster]

What a fist fucking for Project Cars 1 buyers........... :\

[transfix]

I'm in and totally looking forward to the ride !

[Smidgey87]

So is Project Cars 2 going to include the hundreds of fixes Project Cars 1 still needs to be playable? Love the feeling of spending £30 to be an alpha tester for another full price game.

[Freestyler0908]

What a fist fucking for Project Cars 1 buyers........... :\

Why? When you finish a project, you dont work anymore? No need for money?

[Ian Bell]

i honestly didn't realise we'd attracted so many idiots here.

We're clamping down now guys. The ones above mainly have caused it.

[diesel97]

@SMS @WMD @ian god help you all ,you have opened the flood gates of consule players(i'm on consule also )and from reading these forums you are going to have your hands full (yes some PC too)

I can hear it know "you work for me "

[BMW328]

Ian is the a certian Teir you will have to have purchused to be able to get in on the possible Xbox on alpha/beta? im trying to decide what teir to get

[KID--A]

I looked at the pricing for the various tiers and I didn't see anything about getting builds for console. If I sign up would I be able to participate on PS4?

[Smidgey87]

Not being funny but it's hardly good customer service to release a full price game which has so many issues that need fixing but seem to be fobbed off by the devs/investors to then go and announce yet another crowd funded sequel. The million + copies of the first game not enough to fund the 2nd?

[Ian Bell]

Ian is the a certian Teir you will have to have purchused to be able to get in on the possible Xbox on alpha/beta? im trying to decide what teir to get

Yes Silver and above.

[Ian Bell]

Not being funny but it's hardly good customer service to release a full price game which has so many issues that need fixing but seem to be fobbed off by the devs/investors to then go and announce yet another crowd funded sequel. The million + copies of the first game not enough to fund the 2nd?

I was going to delete this but I'll leave it up to point something out to others who may have similar thoughts.

We don't need any money for pCARS2 from users. We have plenty from pCARS1 to do it ourselves. We're allowing those who want to to join in on the development of a game from scratch. We're keeping the price as it is to discourage the type of idiots as above.

[Alan Dallas]

@SMS @WMD @ian god help you all ,you have opened the flood gates of consule players(i'm on consule also )and from reading these forums you are going to have your hands full (yes some PC too)

I can hear it know "you work for me "
Nope, WMD doesn't work that way. "You work for me." attitude there will quickly see your contribution refunded and your access as a WMD member removed. WMD forums is a virtual office for SMS and members are expected to conduct themselves in a professional manner as if they are in a real work place when posting.

[BMW328]

Yes Silver and above.

awesome thanks for the reply

[Ian Bell]

Nope, WMD doesn't work that way. "You work for me." attitude there will quickly see your contribution refunded and your access as a WMD removed. WMD forums is a virtual office for SMS and members are expected to conduct themselves in a professional manner as if they are in a real work place when posting.

Exactly this.

[roslinman]

What a fist fucking for Project Cars 1 buyers........... :\
you do realise that PC2 won't be out for yrs and they are still working on bug fixes, updates and dlc for PC, right!!! You did read the OP/thread before posting?

[KID--A]

I was going to delete this but I'll leave it up to point something out to others who may have similar thoughts.

We don't need any money for pCARS2 from users. We have plenty from pCARS1 to do it ourselves. We're allowing those who want to to join in on the development of a game from scratch. We're keeping the price as it is to discourage the type of idiots as above.

Just curious, why the $7m goal then? Why not just leave it open ended? Or was this a sarcastic response? I can't tell! :P

[Bealdor]

you do realise that PC2 won't be out for yrs and they are still working on bug fixes, updates and dlc for PC, right!!! You did read the OP/thread before posting?

Guys don't waste your energy on those folks. We'll handle them. ;)

[Ian Bell]

Just curious, why the $7m goal then? Why not just leave it open ended? Or was this a sarcastic response? I can't tell! :P

Because we don't need any more? I doubt we'll get more than 10% of the way there on user buy in's early on, but I could be surprised.

It's pounds BTW.

[lrapsody]

I was going to delete this but I'll leave it up to point something out to others who may have similar thoughts.

We don't need any money for pCARS2 from users. We have plenty from pCARS1 to do it ourselves. We're allowing those who want to to join in on the development of a game from scratch. We're keeping the price as it is to discourage the type of idiots as above.

How long is the crowd funding open for? I can get involved next month's pay day.

Oh and Xbox One early access?

[KID--A]

Because we don't need any more? I doubt we'll get more than 10% of the way there on user buy in's early on, but I could be surprised.

It's pounds BTW.

Well my keyboard doesn't have a pounds symbol by default so $ was easier :) Thanks for the response.

Also, I never saw if this is open for PS4 users.

[diesel97]

Nope, WMD doesn't work that way. "You work for me." attitude there will quickly see your contribution refunded and your access as a WMD member removed. WMD forums is a virtual office for SMS and members are expected to conduct themselves in a professional manner as if they are in a real work place when posting.

I know this and people should act that way here also (cough, cough), heck they should act like this in life.

Somebody better ian a new ban hammer

[P308R]

I am sorry but those so called "idiots" do have a point and SmS keeps adding gasoline to an already very hot situation. You can delete all you want but it is SmS itself who caused this negativity surrounding pCARS. I would say get your act together and stop make yourself look like a bunch of amateurs!

[Ian Bell]

I am sorry but those so called "idiots" do have a point and SmS keeps adding gasoline to an already very hot situation. You can delete all you want but it is SmS itself who caused this negativity surrounding pCARS. I would say get your act together and stop make yourself look like a bunch of amateurs!

Bye.

[doyley101]

Is the tier system final? I would love to join and contribute but, as with many people, my laptop would probably blow up trying to install PCARS2 and so can only play on PS4. Having to get silver membership seems a bit unreasonable for access to (less frequent) console builds and the WMD forums. Perhaps a console builds + forum access "peasant" tier could be introduced? :)

[RTA nOsKiLlS]

So Ian, tell me more about this Michelin star meal? Ya posh get! LOL. Will Gordon Ramsey be swearing his head off while he cooks.

If I had a spare 10k, and a super computer, it would be yours. But I dont, not spare anyway, lol.

Is there anyway of bringing it to the consoles?

[roslinman]

Guys don't waste your energy on those folks. We'll handle them. ;)
Awwhhh, you guys get all the fun :)

[P308R]

Bye.

Well it surely shows a lot of arrogance. Get off your high horse, it becomes pathetic.

[Daveesaunders]

Get paid Thursday will be heading to the WMD site first thing Thursday to sign up before paying any bills ��

[yusupov]

is any of the revenue from pCARS going to be reinvested into that game for licenses etc?

[RTA nOsKiLlS]

Its a good thing that SMS start on Project Cars 2 now, it means we dont have to wait 4 years for it.......I hope.

They have said multiple times its being supported and ADDED to for the next 2 years.

Can it have a playlist please?

Wish I had 10k, A race team named after me would piss off ALOT of people, lol.

[Ian Bell]

is any of the revenue from pCARS going to be reinvested into that game for licenses etc?

It's already happening. We put in 250k pounds today.

[Bealdor]

Awwhhh, you guys get all the fun :)

It's less fun than you might think (it's pretty sad actually).

[Avetorian]

Well it surely shows a lot of arrogance. Get off your high horse, it becomes pathetic.

What is he supposed to do? it's not his fault people aren't understanding plain English or haven't been paying attention. If those who keep arguing "Rip off/ SMS is lazy blah blah" Aren't following the posts from Ian and other developers about how on going support for this game is not dropped. They don't wanna engage properly with other users on the forums to get help with their issues or support. A developer can only do so much hand holding.

I am just completely baffled at this point. I've put over 100 hours in to Pcars, and a lot of the issues that I've seen other people have, I'm personally not having. Seriously, for the most part It's been a smooth experience. The game is not a buggy mess, hell even if there is bugs I always look for things on my end that I can do to try and mitigate their affect.

[yusupov]

It's already happening. We put in 250k pounds today.

sorry i wasnt clear, i meant, is it going to go into further development of pCARS in the way of new licenses?

[Ian Bell]

Well it surely shows a lot of arrogance. Get off your high horse, it becomes pathetic.

Telling us that people saying 'We're fi%t F&*king pCARS1 owners' should be listened to is not something we're going to allow.

I see you're banned already...

[Ian Bell]

sorry i wasnt clear, i meant, is it going to go into further development of pCARS in the way of new licenses?

Ahh, sorry, yes absolutely. We're reinvesting income in pCARS1 as per the released roadmap.

[roslinman]

It's less fun than you might think (it's pretty sad actually).
Yeah I know, but on a happier note I am bronzed up (for now) and ready to help with PC2 :glee:

[yusupov]

Ahh, sorry, yes absolutely. We're reinvesting income in pCARS1 as per the released roadmap.

ok, thats a relief. thanks :)

[Elmo]

It's already happening. We put in 250k pounds today.

Porsche confirmed.

Finally we are able to drive the mighty Cayenne!

[Avetorian]

I'm really hoping for a Porsche 911 GT1 =D More GT1 era cars for the win!

[E_Luckow]

Porsche confirmed.

Finally we are able to drive the mighty Cayenne!


What???:eek:

[KID--A]

Still haven't seen an answer on the PS4. Can I get early build on PS4 somehow? I thought I saw Xbone was able to but I didn't see anything about PS4.

[spaceweed10]

Omg, someone pass me a tissue...

[JeyD02]

not sure if this is the case. but will pcars 2 will be the original project that you guys have desired pcars 1 to be? or are we "definitively" expecting more projects with this tittle?

[Avetorian]

Still haven't seen an answer on the PS4. Can I get early build on PS4 somehow? I thought I saw Xbone was able to but I didn't see anything about PS4.

They said you'll be able to play alpha builds as they become available, they won't be daily builds like they have on PC.

[spaceweed10]

pCARS 1 just came out and is still riddled with bugs. And you want more money for another one!?

Stop QQ you big girl.

[101peter]

Sorry to repeat a previous unanswered question but when will the deadline be for purchasing memberships?

Pretty skint at the mo, can i safely wait a month or 2 or will that be too late?

Cheers

[Alan Dallas]

So I just went through my budget... again... Platinum level here I come!!
Pfff, it's only a 1000 quid. :)

[Mario Navarrete]

there is a spelling mistake in the description of the "gold" package

please correct the following

Gold Member playar avatar identification in-game

to

Gold Member player avatar identification in-game

Thank You,

Just looking out

208757

[Alan Dallas]

Sorry to repeat a previous unanswered question but when will the deadline be for purchasing memberships?

Pretty skint at the mo, can i safely wait a month or 2 or will that be too late?

Cheers
When they get 7M Pounds total, sign ups will close.

[Ian Bell]

Still haven't seen an answer on the PS4. Can I get early build on PS4 somehow? I thought I saw Xbone was able to but I didn't see anything about PS4.

We're committing to alpha and beta builds, but are looking into a way of doing more.

[Ian Bell]

Can I please ask why this game is being announced when the original game still has a host of bugs, glitches and issues that mean I can't play it as intended?

It is perfectly understandable that the early access version of this game was going to be a rocky road, but I'm not an early access user or a backer, I am simply someone who bought the game at retail and expected a finished product, which is not what I received.

Do you not think then, with that in mind, that announcing a sequel when you are admittedly still trying to fix issues soon after release is bad practice? Even if you intend to continue supporting PC1, do you not see that it may send out the wrong signal to people like myself, worried that support is now going to fizzle out on a game that is just a couple of weeks old?

I think your priorities need to lie with the people who have helped make your game a success in the first place, rather than looking for the next influx of revenue so quickly. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Your question has been answered 20 times. You've just rejoined to ask this again.

[Libor Sabrik]

http://tclhost.com/H8Dj9yn.gif

[Ian Bell]

not sure if this is the case. but will pcars 2 will be the original project that you guys have desired pcars 1 to be? or are we "definitively" expecting more projects with this tittle?

No, pCARS2 will be the project that the members of pCRS2 development want it to be. Just as pCARS1 is for those members.

[Alan Dallas]

Can I please ask why this game is being announced when the original game still has a host of bugs, glitches and issues that mean I can't play it as intended?

~snip~

Can you please read the entire news announcement?

[Ian Bell]

Sorry to repeat a previous unanswered question but when will the deadline be for purchasing memberships?

Pretty skint at the mo, can i safely wait a month or 2 or will that be too late?

Cheers

We're looking at 2-3 months at the moment.

[Avetorian]

Can I please ask why this game is being announced when the original game still has a host of bugs, glitches and issues that mean I can't play it as intended?

It is perfectly understandable that the early access version of this game was going to be a rocky road, but I'm not an early access user or a backer, I am simply someone who bought the game at retail and expected a finished product, which is not what I received.

Do you not think then, with that in mind, that announcing a sequel when you are admittedly still trying to fix issues soon after release is bad practice? Even if you intend to continue supporting PC1, do you not see that it may send out the wrong signal to people like myself, worried that support is now going to fizzle out on a game that is just a couple of weeks old?

I think your priorities need to lie with the people who have helped make your game a success in the first place, rather than looking for the next influx of revenue so quickly. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

They have announced this in the same way that they announced Project cars. They have specifically stated that on going development will continue for the first game. They have also stated that Development on Pcars2 will not hinder Pcars1. This is SMS being transparent, which is more than you can say about most other companies. I don't understand the problem. I pre ordered Pcars before it was on sale, and I had a blast with it.

[doyley101]

Is the tier system final? I would love to join and contribute but, as with many people, my laptop would probably blow up trying to install PCARS2 and so can only play on PS4. Having to get silver membership seems a bit unreasonable for access to (less frequent) console builds and the WMD forums. Perhaps a console builds + forum access "peasant" tier could be introduced? :)

Bump.
I know its a bit cheeky to bump my own question but can I get an answer please? I feel my post was lost in a sea of trolling at the time :)

[Mario Navarrete]

there is a spelling mistake in the description of the "gold" package

please correct the following

Gold Member playar avatar identification in-game

to

Gold Member player avatar identification in-game

Thank You,

Just looking out

208757

Actually the mistake is in all the package descriptions, way to copy and paste! LOL

[PiperBoy]

It's less fun than you might think (it's pretty sad actually).

Especially when you banned some gamers that PAID your game... Well, Project Cars is less than two months old and we already have Project Cars 2 on the way ?

Well, I recognize that "fist fucking" was exaggerated but we are entitled to wonder what will become of the first episode on long term... ? You don't think so ? I saw that you said 2 years for support and other but what guarantee do we have ? Understand that it's just a bit frustating at the moment, that's all, because we seem to act as beta reviewers... Considering the price of the game...

However, if you really support Project Cars 1 for 2 years... well, fine ;)

[Ian Bell]

Bump.
I know its a bit cheeky to bump my own question but can I get an answer please? I feel my post was lost in a sea of trolling at the time :)

It will simply cost us a lot more to get builds to you on the consoles.

[KID--A]

They said you'll be able to play alpha builds as they become available, they won't be daily builds like they have on PC.

I must have missed that. Thanks. It'd be nice to have an idea of when the first build would become available.

[Sir_Stig]

Ian, I know I'm mostly preaching to the choir, but I think the biggest gripe people are having with this announcement is the fact that it seems like it will be a current pCARS 2.0 as opposed to being more "Project CARS: Rally". I think a tweet or something to that effect might calm down some of the people saying "Fix pCARS 1 first!". I know this is pretty clear when you look at the page itself, but the internet is full of TL;DR cry-babies.

[Siberian Tiger]

Especially when you banned some gamers that PAID your game... Well, Project Cars is less than two months old and we already have Project Cars 2 on the way ?

Well, I recognize that "fist fucking" was exaggerated but we are entitled to wonder what will become of the first episode on long term... ? You don't think so ? I saw that you said 2 years for support and other but what guarantee do we have ? Understand that it's just a bit frustating at the moment, that's all, because we seem to act as beta reviewers... Considering the price of the game...

However, if you really support Project Cars 1 for 2 years... well, fine ;)

You can count on that! Since begining of WMD SMS was always transparent and hold there promises...

[Avetorian]

I must have missed that. Thanks. It'd be nice to have an idea of when the first build would become available.

No problem, Ian just gave you a response as well so there you have it officially. somewhere on page 17 lol.

[transfix]

@Ian Sorry if this has been answered already. Is there a reason why I can't post or access my profile on the PCars 2 site? Registered and paid.

[JeyD02]

208741


No, pCARS2 will be the project that the members of pCRS2 development want it to be. Just as pCARS1 is for those members.

Okay, thanks for answering the questions.

[Avetorian]

Okay, I have a question regarding a level of participation. Is there a certain level of participation required to continue receiving daily builds and stay a member of the WMD? I've seen it was kinda loose on Pcars1 so I'm just curious.

[Ian Bell]

Ian, I know I'm mostly preaching to the choir, but I think the biggest gripe people are having with this announcement is the fact that it seems like it will be a current pCARS 2.0 as opposed to being more "Project CARS: Rally". I think a tweet or something to that effect might calm down some of the people saying "Fix pCARS 1 first!". I know this is pretty clear when you look at the page itself, but the internet is full of TL;DR cry-babies.

I've no interest in calming people down.

We've made 100 posts stating the facts, put the details of our ongoing support for pCARS1 into even the press release!

Those with an inability to want to read or those that hate us for whatever reason will never be calm or will never want to be. Nothing from us will change that.

And regardless, pCARS2 is much more than Rallying.

[spaceweed10]

We're looking at 2-3 months at the moment.

How long do you envisage the development process to take?

[Ian Bell]

Especially when you banned some gamers that PAID your game... Well, Project Cars is less than two months old and we already have Project Cars 2 on the way ?

Well, I recognize that "fist fucking" was exaggerated but we are entitled to wonder what will become of the first episode on long term... ? You don't think so ? I saw that you said 2 years for support and other but what guarantee do we have ? Understand that it's just a bit frustating at the moment, that's all, because we seem to act as beta reviewers... Considering the price of the game...

However, if you really support Project Cars 1 for 2 years... well, fine ;)

I banned people effing and blinding and screaming at us. I'll keep on doing that.

You're banned for profanity.

People can judge us by our actions over the next year. When we deliver everything for pCARS1 there will still be a sizable fringe contingent who will find something to eff and blind and scream about.

Finally, they're banned from this freely provided, un-promised, and un-bought forum. Not the game!

[Bealdor]

Forgot to mention: The Eel got himself a GOLD membership too. :cool:

[Ian Bell]

Is Pcars 2 going to be all dirt and off road? and will 40 staff be enough for pcars 1 across 3 platforms?

Enough? Forty staff costs us 400k dollars per month approximately. For a team of our size that's a massive amount of people staying committed to a shipped game longterm.

The dev period for pCARS2 will be decided by the members. I hope it's not going to take as long as pCARS1 but 2ish years is probably a good initial guestimate.

[Ian Bell]

I am a first time user of these forums, and I have to say that looking through the pages of this thread that it is a pretty hostile place for anybody with anything remotely negative to say, even if it is done so in a constructive manner.

Moderators should be used to remove posts and people that prove themselves to be offensive or derogatory for the sake of being derogatory, rather than trying to artificially alter the pool of opinions to form a false narrative around the state of the game.

It is possible for negative feedback to also form the basis of a fair and balanced discussion, but it seems to me that anything that might paint the name of Project Cars in a bad light on these forums is quickly whitewashed and the users who post such remarks are banned. It is borderline totalitarian.

I know a number of people who have been banned simply for asking questions that might make Project Cars look anything less than perfect. Could someone in a position of authority please tell me why this is? I believe it is counter intuitive to the 'Project' at hand. If you are asking the community to directly influence the development of a game, surely you have to look at the bad as well as the good?

What on earth is here that we should be looking at that we're not?

[homed]

Hello,

Thats is a good news but please finish first Project Cars 1 !!!

I love Project Cars and it is the best simu for Consoles but the game is not complete as you present in different movies and trailer !
Do not make the same mistake as other developers !

- not realistic damage and does not influence driving
- No body damage just the front
- No icons showing damage
- No wear and unrealistic managements tires (just temperature but unrealistic)
- No flags managements
- No real fuel managements
- IA makes no mistake and no management during the race
- IA cars driving into the fog with the lights off
- No classification by cars (Leaderboard by cars)
- No list of friends by ranking
- No pits Management and completely empty (not like on your video!)
- No spectator mode
- Add the ability to save multiple settings per channel for each car and to share setups
- poor management of keys on consoles (duplicate and therefore not usable)
- no effect in the mirror (for example when it rains)
- More efficient lights, it's simple night we see nothing
- Engine temperature gauge
- No telemetry in the replay (think of consoles not know how to use apps like on pc)
- Change cars without leaving the living room.
- Able to adjust the car during the test session, qualify or before the race

As you see, the game is far from perfect
I say this to help you because I love racing games

Thx for answeer

[Ian Bell]

Can I please ask why this game is being announced when the original game still has a host of bugs, glitches and issues that mean I can't play it as intended?

It is perfectly understandable that the early access version of this game was going to be a rocky road, but I'm not an early access user or a backer, I am simply someone who bought the game at retail and expected a finished product, which is not what I received.

Do you not think then, with that in mind, that announcing a sequel when you are admittedly still trying to fix issues soon after release is bad practice? Even if you intend to continue supporting PC1, do you not see that it may send out the wrong signal to people like myself, worried that support is now going to fizzle out on a game that is just a couple of weeks old?

I think your priorities need to lie with the people who have helped make your game a success in the first place, rather than looking for the next influx of revenue so quickly. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Last time, and I know you've just rejoined to type this and your post above.

We don't need the money!! We are allowing those who are interested to join a full development process from scratch, to alter the direction and design of a AAA game. The fees are simply to ensure we don't have to keep answering questions like this, or your almost identical one above, after your rejoin.

[Scuderia Paul]

Hopefully you get sufficient time for PS4 custom liveries support. That is my most wanted feature.

[spaceweed10]

Hello,

Thats is a good news but please finish first Project Cars 1 !!!

I love Project Cars and it is the best simu for Consoles but the game is not complete as you present in different movies and trailer !
Do not make the same mistake as other developers !

- not realistic damage and does not influence driving
- No body damage just the front
- No icons showing damage
- No wear and unrealistic managements tires (just temperature but unrealistic)
- No flags managements
- No real fuel managements
- IA makes no mistake and no management during the race
- IA cars driving into the fog with the lights off
- No classification by cars (Leaderboard by cars)
- No list of friends by ranking
- No pits Management and completely empty (not like on your video!)
- No spectator mode
- Add the ability to save multiple settings per channel for each car and to share setups
- poor management of keys on consoles (duplicate and therefore not usable)
- no effect in the mirror (for example when it rains)
- More efficient lights, it's simple night we see nothing
- Engine temperature gauge
- No telemetry in the replay (think of consoles not know how to use apps like on pc)
- Change cars without leaving the living room.
- Able to adjust the car during the test session, qualify or before the race

As you see, the game is far from perfect
I say this to help you because I love racing games

Thx for answeer

Wrong thread, dude.

[Bealdor]

Hello,

Thats is a good news but please finish first Project Cars 1 !!!
...

Can you guys finally stop this kind of posts? It's getting tiring TBH especially because it was answered 99 times before.

[101peter]

When they get 7M Pounds total, sign ups will close.


We're looking at 2-3 months at the moment.


Thanks, i'll get it done sooner rather than later then

And while im here congratulations on making such a brilliant game, its the nuts

[Ian Bell]

That's a lot of money!

Tell me about it.

We are spending so much of what we're making on pCARS1 back into pCARS1 for the longterm that it's scary. And a bit gutting when I have to read the constant tripe we've been cleaning up about us.

[doyley101]

Is there going to be any "official" word soon on what's happening with consoles, rather than anecdotes on here? Don't want to spend £75 on nothing :)

[Ian Bell]

That's a lot of money!

Any particular reason why you liked the complaint post (the 50th version of it) above Jim, but not my detailed answer to your question. really, I'm just wondering.

[Pink_650S]

Unfortunately it was clear as day that this thread would become a hater and complain fest.

[Ian Bell]

Is there going to be any "official" word soon on what's happening with consoles, rather than anecdotes on here? Don't want to spend £75 on nothing :)

For Xbox users we're working on this: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/06/15/e3-2015-xbox-game-preview-brings-early-access-to-console

For PS4 it's still up in the air but we think we'll at least be able to get Alpha and Beta builds out. We're hoping for more though and await any news from Sony.

[BDR Daz]

Id love to join in but I need a PC :( Maybe its time to get one ...

When is this closing Ian ?


For Xbox users we're working on this: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/06/15/e3-2015-xbox-game-preview-brings-early-access-to-console

For PS4 it's still up in the air but we think we'll at least be able to get Alpha and Beta builds out. We're hoping for more though and await any news from Sony.


Well that post would change the ball game ....

[Ian Bell]

I have never signed up to these forums under any other username. You are more than welcome to IP check that to confirm. Believe it or not there are more than a couple of repeat offenders who are more than a little concerned with this decision. In a climate where more than a couple of crowdfunded campaigns have failed to meet expectations and promises it is concerning to me as someone who has paid full RRP for a game just a couple of weeks ago, that you might be any less than 100% focused on eradicating the issues which are stopping us from enjoying what COULD be a fantastic take on a racing simulator.

It's quite easy to say one thing and do another. Despite your heartfelt promises, there is no guarantee you won't just become the next 22cans now you have another iron in the fire.


OK, so you're saying you don't believe me and have ignored all of the salient points I've made.

I think we can safely say we've met expectations. We've shipped a mid 80's rated game that you're currently playing using this system. We're approaching the 5th content, update and bug fix patch and if you don't trust me then just judge us by our actions over the next year.

Now please stop repeating the same thing.

[TrevorAustin]

Is there any chance you mods could become a bit more draconian with your powers.

Unfortunately ip banning doesn't really work very well amy more, with loads of ways to circumvent.

I'm on a few other forums and while they still ban and give out warnings it's sometimes easier just to clean up threads, just delete all the off topic nonsense, and leave it in it's own dedicated threads?

I know you don't like to censor, but it is your forum and some if these muppets just aren't going to stop.

[oscarolim]

I have a question, bearing in mind I'm not a businessman. I understand the concept for the first game, but not so much pcars2. If you're looking for £7million and Pcars has sold over a million copies at say average £30 each that sounds to me like £30 million squids. Obviously costs to come out of that and I think the first game 3 or 4 million was gained from WMD, do you not have £7 million quid left?
So wages are free? Licenses are free? Distribution is free? Marketing is free? Hardware is free?
If from those £30 SMS actually gets their hands in £5, that's a good turnover for a first game (although realistically I think the profit by copy sold would be closer to £1-2£).

[nhraracer]

@Ian Bell. Hope i can still get in on pcars 2 in a month from now. Hopefully you will still be accepting people in the prgram.

[Ian Bell]

Is there any chance you mods could become a bit more draconian with your powers.

Unfortunately ip banning doesn't really work very well amy more, with loads of ways to circumvent.

I'm on a few other forums and while they still ban and give out warnings it's sometimes easier just to clean up threads, just delete all the off topic nonsense, and leave it in it's own dedicated threads?

I know you don't like to censor, but it is your forum and some if these muppets just aren't going to stop.

I'd love it to be the case Trevor but you answered your own question. We're constantly accused of one sided censorship.

[Ian Bell]

@Ian Bell. Hope i can still get in on pcars 2 in a month from now. Hopefully you will still be accepting people in the prgram.

Two or three months we think Doug, maybe more. We want to see how we can handle the support and interaction as the numbers rise adn we're judging it by ear.

[nhraracer]

Two or three months we think Doug, maybe more. We want to see how we can handle the support and interaction as the numbers rise adn we're judging it by ear.


Thanks for the response Ian. Look forward to the builds.

[Ian Bell]

Correction - you'll keep on banning anyone here who attempts, even diplomatically and politely, to confront you in any way. Why would we need to judge you by your actions over the next year when we can judge you by your actions now?
We get it, your forum is a favor all of us inconvenient whingers who paid you for a product and now relentlessly badger you via a free service that you provided out of the goodness of your heart - as opposed to a service that constitutes an important tool in building a friendly and supportive community who will rally around your games for years to come, and ultimately bring you much more revenue in the long-run.
It is, of course, entirely your discretion to run it that way if you feel it's the right way.

You'll notice my lack of profanity, and the fact that all I'm doing is calmly confronting you on behaviour which I personally feel contravenes your own forum rules.

Go right ahead and ban me though, there's absolutely no need to endure such abuse on your own, such selflessly provided free website.

Why on earth would I ban you. Most of your post was spot on apart from the first bit (see what I mean Trevor?).

You could post like this for the next year and we'll tell you where you're wrong and agree with you when you're correct. That's how we operate.

[Wootball]

I know SMS will continue to support pCars 1, but I can't help but feel that this announcement is way too soon. It doesn't look great tbh.

[TrevorAustin]

I'd love it to be the case Trevor but you answered your own question. We're constantly accused of one sided censorship.

You are, literally constantly, but does it matter? It's a minority, do you really want them as customers? There's so much good stuff get's utterly lost in thr constant repeated whinging. They don't really want answers, they kmow it all already being master devs, alan sugar protégés and hyper intelligent. They just want a platform to waste their energy about their massive outlay.

[Freestyler0908]

For Xbox users we're working on this: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/06/15/e3-2015-xbox-game-preview-brings-early-access-to-console

For PS4 it's still up in the air but we think we'll at least be able to get Alpha and Beta builds out. We're hoping for more though and await any news from Sony.

Will i buy it on Xbox then, or a tier?

[g33k hack3rs]

For Xbox users we're working on this: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/06/15/e3-2015-xbox-game-preview-brings-early-access-to-console

For PS4 it's still up in the air but we think we'll at least be able to get Alpha and Beta builds out. We're hoping for more though and await any news from Sony.

It would be great if we can have early access to the xbox builds. I'm fine testing and playing on PC to sort out the basic gameplay and features but the xbox preview feature might prove valuable in sorting out issues specific to that platform. Hope this can be done for pCars2.

[Black_Gold_Saw]

50 pounds, thats 75 euros for me. Hell no. Way to expensinve just for bronze.
I'll just wait till release and buy it for 50 euros.

[Ian Bell]

You are, literally constantly, but does it matter? It's a minority, do you really want them as customers? There's so much good stuff get's utterly lost in thr constant repeated whinging. They don't really want answers, they kmow it all already being master devs, alan sugar protégés and hyper intelligent. They just want a platform to waste their energy about their massive outlay.

The mods are pretty much flat out at the moment. It's about 12 people, constantly rejoining and spending what must be the majority of their lives trying to mess up every thread.

[Ian Bell]

I know SMS will continue to support pCars 1, but I can't help but feel that this announcement is way too soon. It doesn't look great tbh.


OK, I really will try very hard to answer this for you...

Seeing as build One of pCARS2 is available today, and seeing as members want to be involved as early as possible (most from the very early stages) when do you recommend we should have announced it?

[Mario Navarrete]

50 pounds, thats 75 euros for me. Hell no. Way to expensinve just for bronze.
I'll just wait till release and buy it for 50 euros.

you're not just paying for the game, you're paying for the experience of shaping and molding something while having early access. 75 Euros is well worth the approximately 2-3 years worth of development and entertainment.

[ermo]

50 pounds, thats 75 euros for me. Hell no. Way to expensinve just for bronze.
I'll just wait till release and buy it for 50 euros.

I take it you weren't a WMD member for pCARS1? :)

[BDR Daz]

OK, I really will try very hard to answer this for you...

Seeing as build One of pCARS2 is available today, and seeing as members want to be involved as early as possible (most from the very early stages) when do you recommend we should have announced it?

How quickly would we be able to get our hands on the Xbox One version ?

[TrevorAustin]

The mods are pretty much flat out at the moment. It's about 12 people, constantly rejoining and spending what must be the majority of their lives trying to mess up every thread.

Does the forum software not give the option to ban by mac address? They will run out of devices.

Or They could be reported to isps/phone companies for abuse and cut off.

[Umer Ahmad]

you're not just paying for the game, you're paying for the experience of shaping and molding something while having early access. 75 Euros is well worth the approximately 2-3 years worth of development and entertainment.

^you understand the value.

Anyone who sees only "€75 for game wtf?!!??" then should just wait and maybe buy pCARS2.0 when it is released.

[Umer Ahmad]

Why would you ban me? I presume for the same reason you've banned at least 4 different users today alone (that I'm aware of) who have essentially pointed out the same thing - that they feel your confrontational dealings with forum members who offer criticism isn't conducive to a positive atmosphere on this forum.

Your wording is quite far from "fist f*cking", see the difference now? Same message, different delivery.

[diesel97]

How quickly would we be able to get our hands on the Xbox One version ?

It seems like you want to skip the "develope" part of the game and just play

[Ian Bell]

Why would you ban me? I presume for the same reason you've banned at least 4 different users today alone (that I'm aware of) who have essentially pointed out the same thing - that they feel your confrontational dealings with forum members who offer criticism isn't conducive to a positive atmosphere on this forum.

I'm sorry but you're clearly mistaken.

And if the forum atmosphere isn't positive enough for you, well, no one is forcing you to be here.

Now stop trying to get an argument going .

[Ian Bell]

How quickly would we be able to get our hands on the Xbox One version ?

We don't now yet Daz, this is all new, and not just to us. We'll make it clear as soon as we can though.

[Ian Bell]

Does the forum software not give the option to ban by mac address? They will run out of devices.

Or They could be reported to isps/phone companies for abuse and cut off.

We can get them switched off by their ISP for abuse yes. We don't want to have to go that far.

[BDR Daz]

It seems like you want to skip the "develope" part of the game and just play

And if you read back, Ian said Early Access builds would come to XBox One via

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/06/15/e3-2015-xbox-game-preview-brings-early-access-to-console

So no actually it "seems" that I want to be part of the "develop" ...

[Pink_650S]

OK, so you're saying you don't believe me and have ignored all of the salient points I've made.

I think we can safely say we've met expectations. We've shipped a mid 80's rated game that you're currently playing using this system. We're approaching the 5th content, update and bug fix patch and if you don't trust me then just judge us by our actions over the next year.

Now please stop repeating the same thing.

I trust you and your team.
I hope you take care of this precious feeling.

[cluck]

Now stop trying to get an argument going .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c

(sorry Ian!)

ps. Already signed up for pCARS2 by the way. Absolutely loved the experience of watching pCARS develop so it was a no-brainer to get a chance to do it again :).

[Ian Bell]

This thread seems to be the exception to the rule, and only because you've been called out on it.

While I haven't been an active participant, I've read these forums semi-regularly since I bought the game and while I have admittedly read great tips, opinions and updates, there is a pretty oppressive set of moderators who have stifled anyone daring to paint the game in a negative light, even if done constructively.

The level of contempt new users are treated with is pretty disgusting too. Anyone who dares ask a question or has spotted a bug that might have been answered in the previous umpteen pages of a thread is patronised and spoken down to like a child, I've even seen some banned.

I am aware you obviously don't have time to wade through every page of every thread of the forum, Ian, so this may go unnoticed to you a lot of the time, but might I suggest you think about some more stringent rules of conduct for your mods, rather than this 'ban people when you feel like it' deal. Because it does come across as censorship and makes the forum feel pretty unwelcoming a lot of the time.

Oh Lord give it a break please.

I haven't been called out on anything. I've stated how this forum will operate, I've repeated it multiple times and I've acted on it.

Again, if you don't like the atmosphere here, then leave.

Sorry, I've just read the bit about us being disgusting.

Mods, please remove all of his posts and remove him. We need a tidy up.

[mattrickl06]

Gold for me, whilst pcars isn't yet the finished article I am pretty sure it will be over the coming months and is well worth supporting them and helping them make pcars2 even better.

[chig88]

I know SMS will continue to support pCars 1, but I can't help but feel that this announcement is way too soon. It doesn't look great tbh.

It's surely going to be a long process to develop pCARS 2. If you're enjoying the current game, and think that you'd like to play the next one, then this can only be good news for you. Announcing the game as soon as possible really does make sense when it's such a complicated build. The sooner the better really.

The (unfounded) criticism levelled at SMS regarding the length of the support cycle for pCARS 1 is something I entirely disagree with. I'm a late comer to the game (wasn't involved with WMD & only joined this forum after the game release), but I choose to judge people on their actions. The amount of time the devs spend on this forum, and the extremely promising foundation they've built with the game thus far, leads me to believe they will continue to provide a high level of support for the current game.

At least give them a chance to do that before accusing them of abandoning it (not aimed at you Wootball :)).

[C6ckneyGeezer]

Tbh the way I see it Project Cars 2 is gona be in the dev phase for a few years to come yet I hope. It's good to get the funding in early and get the ball rolling! People are acting like Project Cars is old news already and they are more focused on the second one, I don't think this is the case. Games take time and I think looking a few years into the future is a good thing.

As far as I understand Project Cars 1 is here to stay and the team are dedicated to it! People are thinking 2 will be out next year!! I hope not and very much dought it.

Goodluck to Ian and the team, roll on a new project and the expansion of the studio and company!

[Birdorf]

I understand why people want to get on board with Project Cars 2 as soon as possible, but, if I were an investor, I'd be worried about potential loss of sales due to all the negativity (deserved or not).

[Umer Ahmad]

Does the forum software not give the option to ban by mac address? They will run out of devices.

Or They could be reported to isps/phone companies for abuse and cut off.

We have multiple mechanisms at our disposal. However if someone wants to hop internet cafes and open accounts, thats more difficult.

[KartKingCorre]

THE LARGEST TRACK ROSTER EVER – 50 unique locations and 200+ courses including ‘loose surface racing’ on dirt, gravel, mud, and snow. All will have dynamic time of day and weather allowing you to play anytime, anywhere
THE WIDEST VARIETY OF MOTORSPORTS with 8 different disciplines now including Rallycross, Hillclimbs, and Touge. 200+ cars from over 40 different vehicle classes including never-before-seen Concepts and Banned Race Cars
CO-OP CAREER – Play as the Teammate Driver, Spotter, Driver Swap, or Co-Pilot. More choices, more opportunities, more strategy, greater risks and greater rewards
SEAMLESSLY CONNECTED – Socialize and compete via Online Track Days, have players from around the world take the place of AI-controlled drivers in your solo play, and get news updates on the Driver Network around you
PRO ESPORTS RACING – Skill & Behavioural-based matchmaking, create your own Online Racing Leagues, and Live Broadcast and Spectator functionality
YOUR HOME FOR RACING – Your own personal, customisable Test Track to tune and test your cars. Invite others to showcase your passion for racing and learn race craft and engineering with the Project CARS Academy

OMG.. These new features sound awesome! It seems like a lot of the suggestions on this forum will be implemented. And a lot more. Very nice. And too bad (but understandable) that consoles arent supported by the WMD development :( Would have loved to be part of this project. Would there be a point to joining WMD, while not being able to test play the builds?

[Ingo_Schwartz]

What is wrong with you people ?

Do you not realize how much work goes into creating a game such as this ?

A game can not be published finished as games are never finished! There will always be bugs to fix and the team has been working hard on fixing these issues! We know this because they keep replying to issues on the forum about fixes and adding bugs to the list of things to fix!

It has been said time and time again that the team is split into 2 so work on PCars 2 can begin, work on PCars is not going to stop just because work on PCars 2 has begun.

There is no other company I know of (feel free to correct this) that allows the die hard fans to take part and contribute to the creation of the game!

I for one hope that the people that keep coming back to troll the forum won't invest in the game, who needs this kind of negativity in a project like this ?

Seriously go do something else with your time and stop bothering the Mods and Devs but most of all Mr. Ian Bell with the same stuff over and over again, they have more important things to do with their time! If Ian had hair when this thread was started it has surely fallen out by now!

Thank you Ian and all those involved for creating this game and make it possible for us to have fun!

[Alan Dallas]

I understand why people want to get on board with Project Cars 2 as soon as possible, but, if I were an investor, I'd be worried about potential loss of sales due to all the negativity (deserved or not).

The negativity is from a vocal minority. I wouldn't worry about it. Also giving money for pCARS2 is not an investment in a monetary sense. No profit sharing like pCARS.

[Ian Bell]

Mistaken? It's hard to mistake something that happens to you personally. I'm certain it's no surprise that this is an alt-account from someone who this happened to, and who never once used profanity or insults in a single one of their posts.
No, nobody is forcing me to be here. I want to be here, and I want to express my opinions considerately and politely without fear of being forced *not* to be here. I had no wish to start an argument before, and at this point all I wish to do is politely convey my concerns in the hope that you might consider them and treat people a little less harshly.


Please stop, really, please, really please just stop. You and people like you are ruining this forum for everyone.

[Umer Ahmad]

Mistaken? It's hard to mistake something that happens to you personally. I'm certain it's no surprise that this is an alt-account from someone who this happened to, and who never once used profanity or insults in a single one of their posts.
No, nobody is forcing me to be here. I want to be here, and I want to express my opinions considerately and politely without fear of being forced *not* to be here. I had no wish to start an argument before, and at this point all I wish to do is politely convey my concerns in the hope that you might consider them and treat people a little less harshly.
You have fully conveyed your point. Lets move forward now and remain on-topic: the project cars 2 announcement (not forum behaviors)

[JessicaWalter]

i heard in the second game they replaced Goro with Sheeva. ill still buy it just because the first one is incredible.

[kwakaman39]

Ian.. re invested in GOLD membership as promised.

ps, you were so right SIR!!

[Alan Dallas]

i heard in the second game they replaced Goro with Sheeva. ill still buy it just because the first one is incredible.

LOL!! I see what you did there...

[rbl]

This seems to be a place to ask (about the Terms and Conditions)


2. REGISTRATION, ACCOUNT AND PASSWORD

2.1. In order to use and access WMD you will need to register. To register you will need to submit certain information and choose an account name (“Account Name”), and a Password (“Password”).

2.2. The Account Name and Password chosen by and issued to you upon registration with SMS are personal to you so that you can use and access WMD and must not be disclosed to any person without SMS’s prior written consent.

2.3. You agree, accept and understand that:

2.3.1. you must ensure that all information held about you by SMS is up to date and that you can amend your registration details at any time through WMD;

2.3.2. you are and shall remain responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Account Name and Password;

2.3.3. you are solely liable for any use of WMD using your Account Name, and Password whatsoever.

2.4. DO NOT SHARE YOUR ACCOUNT NAME OR PASSWORD WITH ANY OTHER PERSON OR ALLOW ANY OTHER PERSON TO USE YOUR ACCOUNT. SMS IS NOT LIABLE FOR ANY IMPROPER USE OF YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, PASSWORD, OR ACCOUNT OR ANY USE BY ANY THIRD PARTY. IF YOU THINK YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, PASSWORD, OR ACCOUNT HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED YOU MUST INFORM SMS IMMEDIATELY.

On the registration page it says real name is required as account name and then in ToS we are signing it over to you and promising never to use it ever again. I cannot in my right mind agree to these terms and I cannot register an account without agreeing.

Can you please have someone go over the ToS one more time?

(unless of course this time you are after our names instead of our money:p)

[jpl8910]

it would be better to finish prcars 1 and leave as promised...

[Ian Bell]

it would be better to finish prcars 1 and leave as promised...

No, we want to not do any work on pCARS and focus everything on pCARS2. Did you miss the hundreds of posts saying that?

[KID--A]

I can't tell if that is a funny post or not rbl... You know it's just saying don't give out your username and password so non-members can play the game, right? Basically like any other username and password combo. Don't share it with anyone. Or as Gandalf would say: "keep it secret. keep it safe."

[Umer Ahmad]

it would be better to finish prcars 1 and leave as promised...
Did u bother reading ANY of the previous 249 posts in this thread? Do it now please, all of them

[P1ckN1cker2406]

How long will the Crowdfunding phase last?

[KID--A]

How long will the Crowdfunding phase last?

They have said a few months. 2 or 3 depending on things...

[P1ckN1cker2406]

Thx for the quick answer.

[Umer Ahmad]

@rbl : SMS does not want people "sharing" accounts (some people even tried selling their WMD account during pCARS1.0!) so you see their point?

What is the danger/risk you are trying to avoid? I dont understand the concern of your post.

[roslinman]

it would be better to finish prcars 1 and leave as promised...

Have a read of post 242, might help you out