Project CARS - All Platforms - Patch 2.0 - Release notes - OUT NOW on PC, PS4 and XB1

[Stephen Viljoen]

Hi all,

Below are the current list of issues that are addressed in patch 2.0.

PLEASE NOTE - The patch is not yet finalized and is still in testing, meaning that some of this may still change. I will post up the final list, or confirm that this one is final, as soon as the fixes are all confirmed and the patch is in final submission.

We want to get this posted up so that you all are aware of the fixes being addressed in this patch. We are investigating and fixing all reported issues, so if there is an issue that you don't see in this list, please don't post "Where is the fix for this issue?" style questions in this thread. There are dedicated threads in other areas on the forum where you can post and discuss other issues. Please keep discussions in this thread to issues mentioned in the list below.

Finally, please be aware that this patch is not yet in submission with Microsoft and Sony, so we are most likely looking at a few weeks before it will be released. We will post the final release dates as soon as we have them.


Project CARS – Patch 2.0 – Release Notes

Performance Improvements
* PC – up to 5% frame rate improvement when using Ultra settings
* XB1 – up to 17% frame rate improvement in extreme conditions

Online & Community Events
* Multiplayer search filter 'Skill' now finds games based upon certain lobby game configuration criteria. For example, “Pro” setting now searches for Full Damage, Auto-start Engine, Forced Cockpit, Mechanical Failure, and so forth.
* Community events page – when an event cannot be entered, it will now display the reason why: ‘Coming Soon’ along with a countdown, or ‘Expired’.
* Online – Ensure that vehicle light repairs are synchronized in MP races so that repaired headlights are visible by other racers.
* Xbox One - fix attempt for a hard-to-reproduce issue where the game would at times freeze or crash when 8 or more players joined a session all at once.
* Xbox One – fixed an issue that at times would prevent a player from establishing full connectivity when leaving a lobby and trying to reconnect to it.
* PS4 – fixed an issue where, after the PS4 resumes from Rest Mode, no network features can be used.

Controls – All platforms
* Adjustments made to the gears system, to prevent gears being skipped under certain conditions. This addresses an issue where gears would at times jump straight down to 1st, potentially causing engine blowouts.
* Steering wheels – reduced the centering rate of the steering spring. This improves the feel of steering wheels at very low speeds.
* Added support for the use of all active controllers for menu input. You can for example now use a steering wheel to race, and a gamepad to control the menus and photo mode.
* Gear shifters – when using an H-shifter on a car that has a sequential gearbox, the gearbox will now switch through the gears until the gear selected on the H-shifter is reached.
* Fixed an issue in Force Feedback calibration that would prevent a player from setting "Soft Clipping (Half Input)" back to 0 after modifying it from the original value.

Controls – PS4
* Thrustmaster T100 Force Feedback improvements.
* Fixed the Force Feedback dynamics for wheels with physical steering locks which were less than the steering lock of the vehicle in-game. This fixes the Force Feedback on the Thrustmaster T100 and similar wheels.
* Added a Motion Sensor controller profile.
* Fixed a crash issue when disconnecting and reconnecting Fanatec wheels.
* Enable support for USB keyboards to be used for in-game controls.

Controls – Xbox One
* Built in protection to prevent unsupported controller devices from crashing the game.
* Gear shifters – fixed an issue that prevented the selection of neutral when using an H-gate shifter add-on with a car that has an H-gate shifter in-game.
* Implemented accelerator vibration on the gamepad right trigger to indicate when and how much the tyres slip under acceleration.
* Madcatz wheel - fixed an issue where the switch on the wheel to change between 270 to 900 degree mode stopped functioning.

Physics & AI
* Slowed down the AI opponents in the rain when using racing tyres, to make racing against them better balanced.
* Adjusted the AI tyre wear rate to better match the player’s tyre wear rate.
* Adjusted wear of Slicks and Rain tires to more realistic levels where needed. Typically GT/LMP/Formula cars will get slightly more than a full fuel load on soft or default slicks (depending on fuel load amounts).
* Adjusted the heating of slicks and rain tyres to more realistic levels.
* Adjusted tyre temperature sensitivity on several cars.
* Adjusted rain tyres to generally be more sensitive to overheating, and less efficient in the dry.
* Improvements to AI navigation to lessen collisions during cramped race starts, improve detection of other cars during cornering, and improve clean overtaking
* Improved the AI pitting logic during practice and qualifying so that the AI cars run more realistic stints before pitting.
* Reworked the AI’s fuelling logic during qualifying sessions where no refuelling is allowed, so that they don’t always fill up the fuel tanks and negatively impact their qualifying ability. The AI will now deliver far more competitive lap times during qualifying.
* Fixed an issue where the AI would set impossible lap times during races with pit stops.
* The AI will now pit as soon as possible when low on fuel to prevent them running out of fuel and retiring from the race.
* Reduced the effect of damage to the car’s cooling system when suffering aero damage. This prevents engines from overheating and blowing at an unrealistic rate.
* Fixed an issue that prevented bump starts from working properly on some cars. An example case – with gears and clutch set to manual, take an Ariel Atom out on Brands Hatch. At the first right hander, stall the car, ignition on, 2nd gear, roll down the hill up to about 15kph and drop the clutch. The car will now bump start. Exact conditions for a successful bump start will vary slightly by car.
* Fixed an issue where at times some AI drivers in a race would use much higher skill levels than the rest of the field.
* Fixed an issue that prevented the AI from pitting within the final 3 laps of a race
* Further tweaked the AI ability in wet races to more closely match the player car’s ability in the wet
* Improved the AI’s efficiency in pit timing when needing to change tyres due to weather conditions.

Pitting, tuning, setups
* Fixed an issue where wet tyres were fitted too long before the rain starts, causing excessive overheating and wear on the tyres.
* Fixed an issue where, when running low on fuel, the Pit Board would appear to tell the player to do a scheduled pit stop when the player did not schedule a pit stop.
* Fixed an issue where flat tyres were fitted to the car during a pit stop, by ensuring that the tyres are correctly inflated.
* Fixed an issue where the car’s bump-stop value decreased after leaving a race session and joining it again.
* Reworked the brake bias display information so that changing the values is more intuitive.

Tracks
* Performance optimisation pass done on: Brands Hatch layouts, Cadwell layouts, Oulton Park layouts, Bathurst, Azure circuit, and Zolder. This helps improve the overall smoothness when racing on these tracks with large grids of cars.
* Track cutting tolerances reduced on all tracks where it was too forgiving.
* Fixed an issue where a pit crew character would at times appear floating above the race track on various tracks.
* Silverstone Stowe – fixed render issues on some tyre stacks, and addressed an issue with cars driving through certain objects.
* Road America – fixed an issue where a line of grass line appeared in the air near a concrete barrier.
* Spa Francorchamps – fixed an issue where cars under AI control would bump into the pit wall when exiting the pit lane. Fixed an issue where the AI were running too wide over the exit curb at the Bus Stop Chicane.
* Brno – fixed an issue where cars would at times start in the same grid positions, fixed garage six to prevent the AI from getting stuck on the right side wall when exiting the garage spot, fixed an issue when running more than 20 cars in a race would cause the car in 21st to slide into the pits.
* Le Mans – fixed an issue that would at times cause the car to crash while in the pit lane, leading to a disqualification. Improved the AI race line for better speed, and improved the AI behaviour on curbs.
* Laguna Seca – improved the AI performance as they were running too slow in some sections.
* Imola – Improved the pit lane AI navigation, and fixed an issue with a section of the fence at the pit entrance that appear to float.
* Bathurst - fixed a render issue with shimmering edges in parts of the track.

Career
* Added a new RUF RGT8 GT3 contract to ensure that the player can enter the RUF GT3 series on contract renewal and not just when starting a new career.
* Fixed the unlock details for the Supercar Ardennes Club Day Invitational.
* Fixed an issue where skipping the session during a race caused the player to move up in the session results.

Vehicles
* Group 5 cars – adjusted the gearshift timing tolerances to fix an issue with the gearing when pausing and restarting a session.
* Gumpert Apollo – fixed an issue with the livery sets that caused the livery selection to display wrong liveries.
* Aston Martin Vantage GT3 – tuned engine lifetime and brake cooling parameters for better accuracy.
* Lotus 98T – tweaked turbo to improve AI estimation of top speed.
* McLaren F1 GTR – modified the default setup and reduced front bump steer to improve straight line stability, fixed an issue to ensure that the car’s specific HUD motec display is used
* McLaren F1 - Fixed an issue that caused the car to use the wrong default tyre compound.
* Ford GT40 MK4 – Reworked in several areas to improve handling and match the real car closer - Bump stops settings exposed in setup with better tuned setup defaults, increased wrap around stiffness of the tire carcass, rebalanced base vs tear grip, rebalanced player vs AI rain performance against the AI.
* All Formula vehicles – Stop brake light reflections appearing on cars that don’t have brake lights.

General
* Fixed an issue where the player position would at times change to last when player crosses the starting line during rolling starts.
* Fixed an issue that could cause the game to crash when selecting the ‘Edit Tuning Setup’ option in the ‘PIT BOX’ screen.
* Fixed an issue that could cause the game to crash while watching a saved replay.
* Driver Network Profile – fixed an issue where entering Free Practice mode would count toward Races Entered.
* PS4 – fixed an issue that required the game to first restart after installing an in-game DLC before the DLC would be available for use.
* Audio – rebalanced the volume of skid sounds to make them a bit more audible.
* PC, Oculus Rift – added Oculus 0.6.0.0 SDK support, enabled positional tracking in non-helmet player camera views, implemented initial menus and HUD support, auto reset player view position at the start of a race, and disabled all non-VR-friendly scripted pre-race camera sequences.
* PC, D-BOX – fixed an issue that caused cars to lose power when playing with D-BOX connected.
* Updated the achievement "I am the 5%" to ensure that it can be achieved in non-Pro-modes as well.
* Fixed a game crash issue caused by an overflow of the email inbox when the player received above a certain amount of invitational emails.
* GUI – fixed an issue where the controls configuration arrows in Options would not respond correctly to mouse input when attempting fine adjustment.

[LADY GEMMA JANE]

Awesome friend

[deedub777]

wow, excellent stuff guys....

[FA RACING 01]

WOW. Awesome list. Awesome work. Thanks.

[Jonathan Newsam]

Great work guys this is a stonker, just 1 question will the pc version of this patch be released at the same time of the console's?

[Ian Bell]

Great work guys this is a stonker, just 1 question will the pc version of this patch be released at the same time of the console's?

It should be earlier.

[CarlCramer]

Can't wait for it to be announced for submitting it to Microsoft... :)

[Ian Bell]

Welcome to us abandoning pCARS1 guys.

[beezley]

It should be earlier.

i have a stonker now :distracted:

[andrewz]

So you go from 1.4 to 1.5 to 2.0? It is little confusing, it is not clear whether this is next patch or some future patch.

[Dazza]

awesome patch notes, i'm gonna be a pain and ask, any update on the audio echoing issue and also the lack of hearing ppl in multiplayer games, on the xbox one version. these 2 fixes ontop of the above list would make this game perfect (for me :P

[Ian Bell]

So you go from 1.4 to 1.5 to 2.0? It is little confusing, it is not clear whether this is next patch or some future patch.

It's the next patch.

[davideliasirwin]

Will the implementation of the oculus 0.6.0.0 sdk include timewarp?

[Marrrfooo]

Welcome to us abandoning pCARS1 guys.

*Genuine question alert - this is not a drill*

Why make this 2.0 rather than 1.5? Is there just that much change that's gone on that calling it 1.5 would be misleading/technically wrong...?

EDIT: Or was there a 1.5 release on other platforms that I missed?

[JayRocVW]

Oh snap! and this is why i'm highly addicted to this game! Just keeps getting better and better! Thanks for all your hard work boyz.

One questions is when your racing open wheel and forget to brake because your use to GT and the cars having brake lights lol anyway when you run into the back of an open wheel car they go over top of you, any way of making this type of collision more realistic? I'd rather pay for my stupidity then have an unrealistic collision which usually has no damage effect. Anyways just a thought, either way I haven't stopped playing this game since launch!

[blot]

Welcome to us abandoning pCARS1 guys.

Absolutely....Hope this helps to put that stupid rumour to bed :cool: And a big well done for addressing issues so quick.

[svenvangent]

Waaaaaaw , what a list thank you .

[Ian Bell]

*Genuine question alert - this is not a drill*

Why make this 2.0 rather than 1.5? Is there just that much change that's gone on that calling it 1.5 would be misleading/technically wrong...?

Because it's worth it. There are some substantial changes here.

(I think it will show as 1.2)

[pa_pinkelman]

It looks great... Can't wait to test it.

[Marrrfooo]

Because it's worth it. There are some substantial changes here.

(I think it will show as 1.2)

Haha - henceforth the 2.0 update shall be known as the L'Oreal update (because it's worth it). ;)

[TrevorAustin]

Wow, what a patch list!

[motu]

Great work it is worth a 2.0 Patch .

[Mbondracing]

Amazing work. Really looking forward to years of playing this game.

[ItchyBear]

Thanks for the information guys.
Could you tell us if there might be any improvement to the Xbox Gamechat as a result of any of these fixes please?
We "as a group of just over 50 racers" would like to form full grids but with the gamechat intermittent at best, it's killing it for us, cheers.

[ChrisK]

Welcome to us abandoning pCARS1 guys.

I can't see anything to address settings not being saved. Can't see anything on lobbies being stabilized to reduce crashing and can't see anything about the infuriating bug where the car tries to drive into the pits on low fuel using steering assist on when running low fuel. Not to mention all the little bugs like land mines, random penalties for nothing etc.

If it's there and I missed it, apologies in advance.

[Rug22]

I've read the list twice so forgive me if I missed it, but is the setup career issue of not saving changes also being picked up?

[LondonCri]

Wow that's a big list! Is "setups reverting to default" still being worked on, if I can ask? Thanks and well done!

EDIT: lol sorry , already asked as i was typing!

[andrewz]

EDIT: Or was there a 1.5 release on other platforms that I missed?

Next update was unofficially called 1.5 here on pCARS forums. Now it is clear that we'll go from 1.4 to 2.0 straight away. Thanks for clarification, Ian. Thanks for your hard work, guys.

P.S.: Now that I see you are able to fix so many issues in such a limited time, a thought goes through my mind - if you released pCARS on 1st of September with all major bugs fixed, wouldn't you get 2 millions instead of one? :-)

[Whisky]

Gold for Project Cars 2 incoming here if this patch is fixing the wheel issues with the ffb finally.
thanks guys!

[NemethR]

...* Driver Network Profile – fixed an issue where entering Free Practice mode would count toward Races Entered.
...

Just wondering about this one.
This is exactly the same with qualifying, and you can't "win" them.
You can win the Qualy, but it does not count as a win in the Driver network.

In case you guys are working on this, it would be nice to add that too.


Also... For some reason, Online races are sometimes not calculated properly.

For example:
I have 2 first plaes, 6 podiums 10 other results.
But I - according to the Driver network - only entered 16 races.
Somehow the Math does not add up.

Would it be possible to at least add a script, that would clean that up?

[t0daY]

Awesome list, thanks for your work SMS :)

[stux]

Lots and Lots of fixes I'm looking forward to in that list :)

I'll be able to unpack my TH8A again :)

[Photonenbert]

huge list again! very cool, thanks for the heads up :)

[Steam]

thank you all for not believing in SMS to fix pcars1 after announcing part 2

[3800racingfool]

Welcome to us abandoning pCARS1 guys.

Well your problem now is that it's named patch 2.0. So you'll just get an army of luddites screaming "we're supposed to crowdfund a patch?!?!?"


Overall though, that's a huge list. Well done guys good show.

[Goruk]

Just wondering about this one.
Also... For some reason, Online races are sometimes not calculated properly.

For example:
I have 2 first plaes, 6 podiums 10 other results.
But I - according to the Driver network - only entered 16 races.
Somehow the Math does not add up.

Would it be possible to at least add a script, that would clean that up?

16 races = 10 Other results + 6 podiums
2 first places are podium places...
So you get 2 first places + 4 other podium places = 6 podium places

[Fong74]

Im completely speechless. What a patch this is! Thanks to all involved :love-struck:

[Goruk]

PS4
* Added support for the use of all active controllers for menu input. You can for example now use a steering wheel to race, and a gamepad to control the menus and photo mode.
* Enable support for USB keyboards to be used for in-game controls.

Will this be possible only in menus or in race also in the PS4.

Great patch BTW

[MartinMWWebb]

Sometimes developers find bigger issues while building the next number in the sequence and so move this onto the next number, probably just so happens that they reached 2.0 instead of 1.5 as was speculated on the forum either that or they deemed the fixes/enhancements in this build to be a major revision rather than a minor.

[DozUK]

That's fantastic, I'm really looking forward to the AI changes regarding tyres/weather, pitting and quali fuel. I think we'll certainly be getting there with these tweaks, can't wait.

One thing, will the support for a usb keyboard allow us to step up the AI difficulty in units rather than 10's? That's something that's really hampering us PS4 controller uses at the moment

[Ryno917]

Just wondering about this one.
This is exactly the same with qualifying, and you can't "win" them.
You can win the Qualy, but it does not count as a win in the Driver network.

In case you guys are working on this, it would be nice to add that too.


Also... For some reason, Online races are sometimes not calculated properly.

For example:
I have 2 first plaes, 6 podiums 10 other results.
But I - according to the Driver network - only entered 16 races.
Somehow the Math does not add up.

Would it be possible to at least add a script, that would clean that up?

Your two victories are podium places, and as such they are included in the 6 podiums (4 finishes of 2nd or 3rd, and 2 victories) - so you have run 16 races. :)

[chris4652009]

Interesting to see what this one breaks :(

[Beltoon]

Really hope this fixes the multiplayer problems on XB1. It's a waste this game can't be played the way it's meant to be.

[Outlander09]

Hi, I mostly play online and I encounter these bugs on a regular basis. I'm not sure if they have been reported yet so sorry in advance.

1 - join a lobby and am unable to click drive or edit setup. Nothing you can do apart from leaving the lobby

2 - game hangs on loading track screen. Have to kill the process in task manager

3 - join a race and am unable to select any driving view other than bumper cam.

I am loving the game and I hope these bugs can be fixed in the next patch as they happen often

[Rhime]

Any chance we'll see requested things like animated pit crews or the ability to see/share custom paint schemes etc in a (soon) patch?

[chig88]

And the claims of pCARS 1 support ending are knocked out of the park ala Babe Ruth :)

[ian2726]

Well I hope the nay Sayers are happy with what 40 people can do.
I look forward to seeing plenty of links to tx in reply to the usual 'SMS have released a broken game and have done nothing since launch because they are now working on pcars 2 and want to burgle my house'

[mcbrew]

Excellent stuff! Thanks for the awesome support on this game.

I can`t seem to find the solution for one issue though:

Maybe i missed it, but at my ps4 i still cant hear the race engineer saying stuff in career mode. When i do a single weekend outside of the career it seems to work fine.

[Aldo Zampatti]

See guys... I was right, Project Cars was abandoned in favor of PCARS2... :rolleyes:

/sarcasm

[doneta]

Hi, I mostly play online and I encounter these bugs on a regular basis. I'm not sure if they have been reported yet so sorry in advance.

1 - join a lobby and am unable to click drive or edit setup. Nothing you can do apart from leaving the lobby

2 - game hangs on loading track screen. Have to kill the process in task manager

3 - join a race and am unable to select any driving view other than bumper cam.

I am loving the game and I hope these bugs can be fixed in the next patch as they happen often

#1 and #3 are what make multiplayer so frustrating. No mention of a fix in the notes. Disappointing. :(

[Ian Bell]

I can't see anything to address settings not being saved. Can't see anything on lobbies being stabilized to reduce crashing and can't see anything about the infuriating bug where the car tries to drive into the pits on low fuel using steering assist on when running low fuel. Not to mention all the little bugs like land mines, random penalties for nothing etc.

If it's there and I missed it, apologies in advance.

We ran into the issue of 'not being able to do everything instantly' Chris.

You've missed the part on lobby stabilization though but don't let that stop you.

[rk75muc]

Controls – All platforms
* Steering wheels – reduced the centering rate of the steering spring. This improves the feel of steering wheels at very low speeds.


Great news!

Might be a stupid question, but will the above fix the FFB issues introduced with 1.4?

[Bavarian Turbo]

Thank you for this really great patch notes
if only the wait would not be


Really hope this fixes the multiplayer problems on XB1. It's a waste this game can't be played the way it's meant to be.


awesome patch notes, i'm gonna be a pain and ask, any update on the audio echoing issue and also the lack of hearing ppl in multiplayer games, on the xbox one version. these 2 fixes ontop of the above list would make this game perfect (for me :P


Thanks for the information guys.
Could you tell us if there might be any improvement to the Xbox Gamechat as a result of any of these fixes please?
We "as a group of just over 50 racers" would like to form full grids but with the gamechat intermittent at best, it's killing it for us, cheers.

Unfortunately I read nothing from the game chat of the xbox one version.
for us Xbox users this bug is unfortunately a very big disappointment.
We want to go online race with friends and talk together, and not just on eight.

please give us an information how the current status for the Game-Chat on the xbox one version

[Mascot]

PS4
* Added support for the use of all active controllers for menu input. You can for example now use a steering wheel to race, and a gamepad to control the menus and photo mode.
* Enable support for USB keyboards to be used for in-game controls.

Will this be possible only in menus or in race also in the PS4.

Great patch BTW

Was just about to ask the same. Can we race with a wheel and simultaneously use a USB keyboard as a ghetto button box?
If not, then the wording in the patch notes might need adjusting to avoid confusion, hyperventilation, mass hysteria and pissed pants.

[Stephen Viljoen]

We are investigating and fixing all reported issues, so if there is an issue that you don't see in this list, please don't post "Where is the fix for this issue?" style questions in this thread. There are dedicated threads in other areas on the forum where you can post and discuss other issues. Please keep discussions in this thread to issues mentioned in the list below.


A bump on this for those of you who missed this in the first post.

[Siberian Tiger]

Was just about to ask the same. Can we race with a wheel and simultaneously use a USB keyboard as a ghetto button box?
If not, then the wording in the patch notes might need adjusting to avoid confusion, hyperventilation, mass hysteria and pissed pants.


* Added support for the use of all active controllers for menu input. You can for example now use a steering wheel to race, and a gamepad to control the menus and photo mode.

So, yes this should work now since it's a generall fix ;)

[Ian Bell]

Great news!

Might be a stupid question, but will the above fix the FFB issues introduced with 1.4?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr_YVQctXVg

[Joeri Blootacker]

Awesome patch list, the blue team has been busy again :)

[hitmanvega]

Thanks guys... much appreciated!!;)

[Stephen Viljoen]

PS4
* Added support for the use of all active controllers for menu input. You can for example now use a steering wheel to race, and a gamepad to control the menus and photo mode.
* Enable support for USB keyboards to be used for in-game controls.

Will this be possible only in menus or in race also in the PS4.

Great patch BTW


Was just about to ask the same. Can we race with a wheel and simultaneously use a USB keyboard as a ghetto button box?
If not, then the wording in the patch notes might need adjusting to avoid confusion, hyperventilation, mass hysteria and pissed pants.

No need to reword the patch notes, they mean exactly what you hope they do :) Yes, you can use the keyboard to (for example) adjust the seat while using the wheel to race.

[Kw4kje]

Hi, I mostly play online and I encounter these bugs on a regular basis. I'm not sure if they have been reported yet so sorry in advance.

1 - join a lobby and am unable to click drive or edit setup. Nothing you can do apart from leaving the lobby

2 - game hangs on loading track screen. Have to kill the process in task manager

3 - join a race and am unable to select any driving view other than bumper cam.

I am loving the game and I hope these bugs can be fixed in the next patch as they happen often

These you mention are the most irritating bugs in the game for me, i'm very dissapointed if this will not fixed in the upcoming patch.

[FStarred]

Added support for the use of all active controllers for menu input. You can for example now use a steering wheel to race, and a gamepad to control the menus and photo mode.

Can I use an usb standard keyboard with PS4 also?

*EDIT
Yes I miss some lines below sorry

[denis74]

Big list. Hard work. Thanks SMS

[Dan77 DESTROYER]

Excellent news, great work guys and it's very much appreciated.

[Mascot]

So, yes this should work now since it's a generall fix ;)

Edit: officially answered in the affirmative. Woo hoooooo!

[SMS PC Lead]

Will the implementation of the oculus 0.6.0.0 sdk include timewarp?

Yes, it includes Time-warp!

[TakMan]

No need to reword the patch notes, they mean exactly what you hope they do :) Yes, you can use the keyboard to (for example) adjust the seat while using the wheel to race.

That's great news Stephen!

Thanks to all for the hard work done...

Regards,

Damian

[3800racingfool]

Thanks, that's encouraging, but can a dev please confirm definitively please? Yep, it's a big deal.

"Definitive" and "software development" should never be used in the same sentence. They shouldn't be in the same room, they shouldn't even be in the same country.

It should work. That's not a promise it will work flawlessly for everyone but it should work for the majority of everyone.

[J4M35_R]

Great patch, are yellow flags in solo mode being looked at on the ps4? l haven't seen one since I got the game on release day.

Many Thanks.

[joking_aura]

Yes, it includes Time-warp!

This time warp thing sounds like it may provide Oculus users an unfair advantage. Talk about pay to win :p

[stux]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr_YVQctXVg

Now I'm going to think of this everytime you ban someone...

https://youtu.be/nnPagm-DDUA?t=30s

[leon1772]

good job. In the beta we saw the mechanics in the pits changing tires, you work on it? And how soon we can see the personal livery player in multiplayer?

[iv-tecman]

That's a big patch list... Thumbs up.

See performance increases no mnejton of ps4. Is there any optimisation for ps4?

Csnt wait to get the patch, looking forward to seeing improvements with an already brilliantly created racing game..

[Ian Bell]

That's a big patch list... Thumbs up.

See performance increases no mnejton of ps4. Is there any optimisation for ps4?

Csnt wait to get the patch, looking forward to seeing improvements with an already brilliantly created racing game..

PS4 is running very solidly now. There will though be more work done on the hardest hitting areas on the remaining tracks which will help a lot.

[tomt2002]

Thanks for the Information regarding the next patch, sounds good in general.

but do you have any information if it´s planned to implement the following on the PS4 Version:

- Friendlist filter for the Leaderboards
- separate Leaderboards for all cars like the PC Version

many thanks !

[John Hargreaves]

That's not a patch, it's a whole new pair of trousers ;)

[iv-tecman]

PS4 is running very solidly now. There will though be more work done on the hardest hitting areas on the remaining tracks which will help a lot.

Is that iin references to trsck list notes for example brands hatch which I know drops frames at turn 2, as I see iin the notes you mentioned , well not you but the notes about brands hatch.


Agreed, ps4 is good performance wise but I also agree that if more can be achieved then big thumbs up .

It's a big patch list though.. One of the biggest I've seen post title release.. Your team must be working their socks off.... Hope you provide free tea and coffee in the studio offices : -)

[StefB]

Pitting, tuning, setups

Nothing about the problem for the wrong tyres ? Tyre choice in pit strategy is not the same as the original choice for the car. (ex group 5, catheram ... ) !!! So pit will still useless !


"fixed an issue where wet tyres ..." Really ? try to change for wet tyres on a group 5 with heavy rain , ... car can't be controlled !

[fbleagh]

Awesome!!

So much for all these naysayers complaining about PCars2 being started and taking away from Pcars 1 development. Keep up the awesome work!!

On a side note, now that the cutting/track limits have been updated, will there be a cleanup of the hotlap/leader boards to remove the entries that now exceed those limits?

[Umer Ahmad]

No need to reword the patch notes, they mean exactly what you hope they do :) Yes, you can use the keyboard to (for example) adjust the seat while using the wheel to race.

^20 day DEVELOPMENT turn-around on this guys! Less if you remove weekends. (still needs to be delivered obviously). Unreal. This patch is a stonker rolled up in some brilliance.

[nissan4ever]

Great job team! What a huge list. Project CARS is where it is at. Now, tomorrow & the future!

[BullWinkle]

Pitting, tuning, setups

Nothing about the problem for the wrong tyres ? Tyre choice in pit strategy is not the same as the original choice for the car. (ex group 5, catheram ... ) !!! So pit will still useless !


"fixed an issue where wet tyres ..." Really ? try to change for wet tyres on a group 5 with heavy rain , ... car can't be controlled !

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[LordDRIFT]

* Enable support for USB keyboards to be used for in-game controls.

There's your button box be-atches!

[morphee7]

Welcome to us abandoning pCARS1 guys.

many thanks Ian i know alot of guys in our race club AnarchyRT are desperate for these fixed as we have stopped our league races until we can all race without any freezing issues again many many thanks for all the hard work.... i must admit i thought pcs would take a back seat with the development of pc2

[PureMalt77]

See? good things always come to those who has patience!

But with regards to keyboards: patch notes say
* Enable support for USB keyboards to be used for in-game controls.

What about Bluetooth keyboards? For the PS4 it makes no difference if the keyboard/mouse is cable or bluetooth. Wonder if pCars accepts exclusively USB keyboards or if is an error in patch description...
https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5087/~/use-keyboard-and-mouse-with-ps4

[Goruk]

Thanks, that's encouraging, but can a dev please confirm definitively please? Yep, it's a big deal.


No need to reword the patch notes, they mean exactly what you hope they do :) Yes, you can use the keyboard to (for example) adjust the seat while using the wheel to race.

Here´s your answer...

[nissan4ever]

Ian, can you give us an example of what the fps change would be on a hard hitting track in extreme conditions? If you don't mind, sir.

Performance Improvements

"* XB1 – up to 17% frame rate improvement in extreme conditions"

[Ian Bell]

many thanks Ian i know alot of guys in our race club AnarchyRT are desperate for these fixed as we have stopped our league races until we can all race without any freezing issues again many many thanks for all the hard work.... i must admit i thought pcs would take a back seat with the development of pc2

Cheers,

That's not how dev works. The very vast majority of developers, on a normal boxed product dev system, start the next game well before the previous game is released.

The furore we've faced is because for the first time, we're showing people how it works completely transparently. I've read some of the comments, even from site moderators at supposedly respected sites and felt the glee of hatred dripping from their posts towards us.

What can I say but if you want to break new ground, there is a well established order to how 'others' behave towards you.

What did take me by surprise was how many of the games playing public seem to think it's madness to start a new game, when you've shipped one...

[Miesjh]

Great release, still no multiplayer lobby search on XB1. :apologetic:

[Mascot]

No need to reword the patch notes, they mean exactly what you hope they do :) Yes, you can use the keyboard to (for example) adjust the seat while using the wheel to race.

You, sir, have just made my day. :cool:

Thank you!

[Ian Bell]

Ian, can you give us an example of what the fps change would be on a hard hitting track in extreme conditions? If you don't mind, sir.

Performance Improvements

"* XB1 – up to 17% frame rate improvement in extreme conditions"

That's a very understated line IMO. We're 17-18% faster pretty much everywhere with this patch.

[Aizcold]

* Fixed an issue where flat tyres were fitted to the car during a pit stop, by ensuring that the tyres are correctly inflated.


This is good, but will the issue where tires start overheating straight after leaving the pits also be addressed? As far as I know that is a different issue to this one, but no less annoying as grip obviously gets reduced pretty quickly as well.

[Seps1974]

* McLaren F1 - Fixed an issue that caused the car to use the wrong default tyre compound.


Is this the only issue with McLaren F1? With patch 1.4 it became undrivable, at least for me. Everytime I hit the gas pedal I lose control, even in 3rd gear it's hard to keep it straight.

Cheers

[yusupov]

so based on an earlier response to the thread that pc should get it faster, is it fully independent of whatever the console approval process is? its just so much more efficient & sensible the traditional way.

[Ian Bell]

Is this the only issue with McLaren F1? With patch 1.4 it became undrivable, at least for me. Everytime I hit the gas pedal I lose control, even in 3rd gear it's hard to keep it straight.

Cheers

No, a bump steer issue was also fixed IIRC.

[OnyxD]

Loving the improved Oculus support! Bring on the commercial release :)

[nissan4ever]

That's a very understated line IMO. We're 17-18% faster pretty much everywhere with this patch.

I don't know if you remember the TV show "Perfect Strangers". Right now, I'm doing "the dance of joy"!!

[yusupov]

Is this the only issue with McLaren F1? With patch 1.4 it became undrivable, at least for me. Everytime I hit the gas pedal I lose control, even in 3rd gear it's hard to keep it straight.

Cheers

thats bc since 1.4 it defaults to what are sms's interpretation of more realistic period tires. the mclaren f1 tires are apparently not the kind the car wouldve been fitted with at launch, but an sms tire designed to make it more accessible...i think doug is the tire guy, not sure, but he would know the details.

basically it was a great idea (giving us another, esp more realistic tire option) just implemented badly when they made it default for everyone as most ppl arent masochists to that degree :D

[Mattyd]

Can I ask why you are forcing cockpit view on pro lobbies? I always drive in bumper cam as it is what I am used to, and how I drive the best. I dont want to be unable to join certain rooms (especially Pro rooms) just because of my choice of view.

[Chris Sercombe]

* XB1 – up to 17% frame rate improvement in extreme conditions

Ian, has this been achieved without lowering any graphic quality of the game, thx for great patch.

[LordDRIFT]

Can I ask why you are forcing cockpit view on pro lobbies? I always drive in bumper cam as it is what I am used to, and how I drive the best. I dont want to be unable to join certain rooms (especially Pro rooms) just because of my choice of view.

Because pros don't drive with their chin resting on the bumper.

[FederalHercules]

I share the sentiment of those that are thankful for SMS's continued efforts to fix broken areas of the game.

And while I know you can't make everyone happy, I am curious about the XBOX One multiplayer fixes. The community has shown ample evidence that much of the stability issues seem to be closely coupled to game chat. After this patch, can we expect game chat to work with multiplayer as intended or will this be an area that requires further effort and time?

[FederalHercules]

Because pros don't drive with their chin resting on the bumper.

Pro's aren't looking at a flat screen rendering a fake road...

[Chris Sercombe]

Can I ask why you are forcing cockpit view on pro lobbies? I always drive in bumper cam as it is what I am used to, and how I drive the best. I dont want to be unable to join certain rooms (especially Pro rooms) just because of my choice of view.

Well you should not be able to join a pro room if useing bumper cam really, thats like cheating aint it :) compared to cockpit view, bumper view is so easy to drive.

[LordDRIFT]

Pro's aren't looking at a flat screen rendering a fake road...

Sense made. Zero

[yusupov]

Can I ask why you are forcing cockpit view on pro lobbies? I always drive in bumper cam as it is what I am used to, and how I drive the best. I dont want to be unable to join certain rooms (especially Pro rooms) just because of my choice of view.

i use cockpit exclusive, but i agree w/ this, dont see how using a bumper cam is 'cheating' any more (actually less) than running triple screens for example. plus itd be a nice excuse to have as to why im losing :)

[Mattyd]

But the option is there to do so. Are you telling me that I am a worse driver because of the view that I choose?

[yusupov]

Because pros don't drive with their chin resting on the bumper.

no, they drive with an incredible view above the bumper, and they can move their heads. they have it much, much better.

cockpit mode isnt any more realistic its just more immersive.

[Pr3t3nd3r]

That's a nice list guys! You sure are pushing yourself to the limits and beyond! ;)

Is there any word about the endless loading screen or unhandled exception? :(

I would really like to see that fixed, at least endless loading screen, please :(

[Bavarian Turbo]

I share the sentiment of those that are thankful for SMS's continued efforts to fix broken areas of the game.

And while I know you can't make everyone happy, I am curious about the XBOX One multiplayer fixes. The community has shown ample evidence that much of the stability issues seem to be closely coupled to game chat. After this patch, can we expect game chat to work and multiplayer as intended or will this be an area that requires further effort and time?

look here (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?32412-Game-Chat/page2) and here (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?25054-In-Game-Audio-Chat-not-working)

we are all waiting

[DJ ALKOHOLIK]

Thanks for the information guys.
Could you tell us if there might be any improvement to the Xbox Gamechat as a result of any of these fixes please?
We "as a group of just over 50 racers" would like to form full grids but with the gamechat intermittent at best, it's killing it for us, cheers.

I'm pretty sure Ian mentioned this before or someone did with the new update coming game performance should improve by 17% whitch in turn should make the game chat work better I may be wrong but sure I heard that from someone lol

[Steam]

I just hope your not already working on the next patch after 2.0 because some people will be mad.

[Neil Bateman]

I agree pro mode should be what it is in real life for a driver, he drives from inside the car, if the car has ABS and TC, sequential gears thats what he uses, if it doesn't he doesn't use it.

You can go into any level of race and use any view and turn off all your aids if thats what you want, but you cant say i dont want race with guys that use aids when i am using non, because its the same as you joining a pro lobby where everyone is using cockpit and your not, in fact any camera view exept cockpit is an aid because it makes it easier.

You also cant use the "the racing is better argument" as there are as many non driving idiots regardless of race you join.

[Umer Ahmad]

* Fixed an issue where flat tyres were fitted to the car during a pit stop, by ensuring that the tyres are correctly inflated.


This is good, but will the issue where tires start overheating straight after leaving the pits also be addressed? As far as I know that is a different issue to this one, but no less annoying as grip obviously gets reduced pretty quickly as well.

Same issue i think.

"This IS the patch you are looking for." (waves 2 fingers)

[FatnSlo]

Hi, I mostly play online and I encounter these bugs on a regular basis. I'm not sure if they have been reported yet so sorry in advance.

1 - join a lobby and am unable to click drive or edit setup. Nothing you can do apart from leaving the lobby

2 - game hangs on loading track screen. Have to kill the process in task manager

3 - join a race and am unable to select any driving view other than bumper cam.

I am loving the game and I hope these bugs can be fixed in the next patch as they happen often


These you mention are the most irritating bugs in the game for me, i'm very dissapointed if this will not fixed in the upcoming patch.

I think you could add not getting a Join button in the lobby also as a bug. These issues have really turned me away from this game. Was fully expecting at least one of them to be addressed in this patch, but none are. Very disappointing.

[Scott1904]

Thank you. But please add a HUD to see what tyre type i use and status of my tieres.

[Racinglova]

It should be earlier.

Why aren't patches released at the same time for all platforms? Xbox is always 1-2 weeks behind PS4 and PC

[LordDRIFT]

no, they drive with an incredible view above the bumper, and they can move their heads. they have it much, much better.

cockpit mode isnt any more realistic its just more immersive.

Don't put words in my mouth. While you're at it untie you undies - its really not that serious.

Edit: if you must compare cockpit to bumper, then yes. It is in fact more realistic.

[amazed]

I have a Bluetooth keyboard that works with the PS4 for text input etc. Does anyone know if this could be recognised by PCars?

[EHM]

http://i.imgur.com/9hD8jVv.png

I hope the sequential gearing fix is what I think it is.

[Seps1974]

No, a bump steer issue was also fixed IIRC.

Thanks for the reply Ian. You had already said that on another thread, but when I saw the Patch 2.0 notes I thought it may had been a confusion with the McLaren GTR.

[TheMarknessROCK]

I'm stoked, menu support in Oculus has me foaming at the mouth ;)

[Disposable_Hero]

Is the FFB clipping issue that was fixed according to Ian not explicitly mentioned or am i blind?
Anyway, impressive list, nobody can say that SMS doesn't care about their customers.

[Mad Al]

Is the FFB clipping issue that was fixed according to Ian not explicitly mentioned or am i blind?
Anyway, impressive list, nobody can say that SMS doesn't care about their customers.

No, people will say it.. it's just not correct!

[Seps1974]

Why aren't patches released at the same time for all platforms? Xbox is always 1-2 weeks behind PS4 and PC

I think it's related with Microsoft approval.

[d4ninho]

Good news to see they are still bringing out patches, and yep its good to see what 40 ppl can do, now imagine what they could do if they all worked on it.

For me lobby chat is the biggest thing that needs fixing right now, then if possible they need to change the replays, we need to be able to move from car to car for incident review in races.

then the other bits will just be a bonus as that's what the community is really waiting for.

[Disposable_Hero]

No, people will say it.. it's just not correct!
I don't get it?

[Umer Ahmad]

I don't know if you remember the TV show "Perfect Strangers". Right now, I'm doing "the dance of joy"!!
Hell-to-the-yeah


http://youtu.be/GfPg5LjGYz8

[Ian Bell]

Good news to see they are still bringing out patches, and yep its good to see what 40 ppl can do, now imagine what they could do if they all worked on it.

For me lobby chat is the biggest thing that needs fixing right now, then if possible they need to change the replays, we need to be able to move from car to car for incident review in races.

then the other bits will just be a bonus as that's what the community is really waiting for.

Yes go bankrupt.

[TrevorAustin]

See guys... I was right, Project Cars was abandoned in favor of PCARS2... :rolleyes:

/sarcasm

Or:)

I want to complain, I've just invested in pcars 2 and nobody is working on it as they're all working on pcars 1, hahaha

[agentbeef]

deep joy!!!.

[Umer Ahmad]

Good news to see they are still bringing out patches, and yep its good to see what 40 ppl can do, now imagine what they could do if they all worked on it.
You think the car modeler can fix the online chat issue? Stop pushing this fallacy agenda, have you ever run a gaming software company? Stick to playing the game and reporting bugs, SMS are in a better position to decide who works on what and when than any of us.

[mcbrew]

What did take me by surprise was how many of the games playing public seem to think it's madness to start a new game, when you've shipped one...

I think this is because a lot of gamers (including me) were not aware of how this works. You guys are transparent about it. Most game developers i know are not as transparent and announce a game when there`s something to show (screens, trailers, etc etc.)

I didn`t know it`s normal to start production on a new game when the first one isn`t even out or has just shipped. When i think about it, it makes sense to start developing right away, it`s just that i didn`t know :)

You`re doing a excellent job explaining this to the community and i don`t know how people can still be ***holes about it after reading the explanations.

[Mad Al]

I don't get it?

Some people will still say SMS doesn't care... some would still say that even if Ian personally handed them the keys to his car!

[d4ninho]

bankrupt, hardly,lol, if you al lworked on it the patches would be finished quicker then you could all move on to pcars 2 and everyone that is moaning about bugs would have nothing to moan about as they would be playing the game,lol

[Disposable_Hero]

Some people will still say SMS doesn't care... some would still say that even if Ian personally handed them the keys to his car!
Ah, i see - i thought you were referring to my original question.

[LordDRIFT]

Cheers,


What did take me by surprise was how many of the games playing public seem to think it's madness to start a new game, when you've shipped one...

Well that's obviously because you guys aren't running a business and were just looking to check a box on the bucket list. Time to visit the grand canyon...

[Brian Coombes]

I have seen some stonkers in my time, but this is the mother of all stonkers!

Great job SMS.

[oscarolim]

* Updated the achievement "I am the 5%" to ensure that it can be achieved in non-Pro-modes as well.
Come on, the funny bit was being part of the 5% :p (this was one of the best achievements ever made for a game).

I take it from the notes that keyboard control on the xbox is not possible (probably SDK limitation)?

[Heathy71]

Thanks for the update guys.

[JeyD02]

Hi, I mostly play online and I encounter these bugs on a regular basis. I'm not sure if they have been reported yet so sorry in advance.

1 - join a lobby and am unable to click drive or edit setup. Nothing you can do apart from leaving the lobby

2 - game hangs on loading track screen. Have to kill the process in task manager

3 - join a race and am unable to select any driving view other than bumper cam.

I am loving the game and I hope these bugs can be fixed in the next patch as they happen often

I would like to confirm if these bugs are resolved or not too. :/

[Yorkie065]

bankrupt, hardly,lol, if you al lworked on it the patches would be finished quicker then you could all move on to pcars 2 and everyone that is moaning about bugs would have nothing to moan about as they would be playing the game,lol

You've had 2 fairly significant patches in the first month and half of the games release and third somewhat in the process and in the not too distant future. As far as I know, thats a hell of a lot quicker than any other AAA studio as they usually like to all disappear on holiday or take the money, ditch the game and make a new one without even doing patches.

Reading your previous post, those aren't bugs, those are game design improvements/ suggestions that yes, would improve the game, but compared to actual bug fixing is very low on the priority list. 40 people is already massive compared to the size of teams that other developers would have left behind on a game for bug fixing and DLC. Things will be fixed in time.

[TheReaper GT]

Welcome to us abandoning pCARS1 guys.

You bastard auhahuauha

[LuckyMic]

Great news and many thanks for these issues but I'm missing the promised triple screen support:
- most important seperate angle for the left / rigth screen (0, 30 and 45 degree)
- moving HUD elements on all three monitors
- videos / HUD display only on ONE and not scaled on all three screens

I thought the team is working on it or is it canceled?

[Ian Bell]

bankrupt, hardly,lol, if you al lworked on it the patches would be finished quicker then you could all move on to pcars 2 and everyone that is moaning about bugs would have nothing to moan about as they would be playing the game,lol

Good point mate. You do know game finance and norms better :)

[Umer Ahmad]

bankrupt, hardly,lol, if you al lworked on it the patches would be finished quicker then you could all move on to pcars 2 and everyone that is moaning about bugs would have nothing to moan about as they would be playing the game,lol

Didnt i warn you to keep quiet about this? You're a distraction still even after a clear warning.

[theitalian06]

"Some say they abandoned P Cars 1,And that they don't fix any bugs. All we know is this isn't true"

[Goruk]

I feel that it is a serious situation as it is making it impossible for me to be competitive as I am not used to the cockpit view so my lap times will suffer

If you wanna race with the "PROs" you must adapt to the situation not the other way arround...

[SimplyDaveC]

Awesome... Is there a chance to have the ability to run timed races outside of career mode in offline and online races, in the future?

[mattrickl06]

Sorry if already done but is a LB reset now in the offing??

[khaki777]

It's great to see such a big list of changes and fixes, but what about a Force Feedback, that got broken after a 1.4 patch (if you reset the wheel settings)? I mean, it's impossible now to turn the Tire Force above 10 without rattling and clipping, and overall, the FFB is just much worse on about 10 Tire Force than before with 100 Tire Force. There is a huge thread about that problem: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?30820-Patch-1-4-FFB-reports/page5

[Jan Studenski]

<3 u SMS - awesome upcoming patch - cant wait till it gets released

At that rate of fixing, i think they will surprise us soon with Pit animations and other stuff :D - i think this is one of the best support for a game in a very long time!


...

Project CARS – Patch 2.0 – Release Notes

Performance Improvements
* PC – up to 5% frame rate improvement when using Ultra settings

....

Could some tell me which "Ultra" Settings are meant here?

[TrevorAustin]

bankrupt, hardly,lol, if you al lworked on it the patches would be finished quicker then you could all move on to pcars 2 and everyone that is moaning about bugs would have nothing to moan about as they would be playing the game,lol

Vrf, AVOID, run by *****?for *****

[WildKarrde]

Nice change list!

[Spiderx]

Just a couple of questions that i have been asking even before release but never got a straight answer.

Will the "dedicated server" ever be dedicated ?
Will custom skins ever be seen during online multiplayer ? or any kind of 3rd party allowed to perform this ?
Will we be able to PIT by ourselves ?

Thanks for the patches and the work you guyz are putting down for this.

Lino

[Scuderia Paul]

Great list SMS guys. Looking forward to it.

One question though - Is the issue of liveries reverting to Random default going to be sorted. It is hardly an issue but it frustrates though.

Keep up the good work. Now if you would release the Audi DLC I would be sorted!

[Umer Ahmad]

Awesome... Is there a chance to have the ability to run timed races outside of career mode in offline and online races, in the future?

Timed races is on the to-do list for a future patch. Definitely it is an important and currently missin feature for endurance racing. Both offline and online endurance racing.

[VBR]

* Added support for the use of all active controllers for menu input. You can for example now use a steering wheel to race, and a gamepad to control the menus and photo mode.

Many thanks for taking the time & effort to implement this.


:)

[PureMalt77]

High volume thread now, I guess my question went unnoticed with so many post coming, so I try again (short version)

* PS4 - support for USB keyboards
Exclusively USB or also Bluetooth keyboards?

[florent71]

@ Ian : when you say the spring centering force issue is fixed, have you also fixed the soft steering dampering option that keep reset "on" at each launch of the game on the PS4 version ?

BTW thanks for your hard work and the comunication !

[hellZfirEJP]

* Adjustments made to the gears system, to prevent gears being skipped under certain conditions. This addresses an issue where gears would at times jump straight down to 1st, potentially causing engine blowouts.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

Thank you SMS!!!!

[TK-Jeff]

what does that mean
Welcome to us abandoning pCARS1 guys.

[Figuur84]

WoW just another great patch! It's good to see SMS working hard for fixing the game! 2 big patches in 6 weeks! Nice!
Off-topic: So sad to see so much unhappy people crying and not reading the forum and topics... Sometimes I think they just really don't understand.... Props for the SMS people and the community for keeping their heads cool!

[Umer Ahmad]

what does that mean
People recently accused SMS of abandoning project cars 1.0 since (some) work has begin on 2.0 (which a perfectly natural industry practice though probably not well-known or well-understand by people/gamers outsise the gaming industry). The long list of patch2.0 items for project cars 1.0 is proof those claims are false, SMS is very serious about supporting project cars 1.0

[Sparkbr]

Can't wait!!!

[charliev69]

It's great to see such a big list of changes and fixes, but what about a Force Feedback, that got broken after a 1.4 patch (if you reset the wheel settings)? I mean, it's impossible now to turn the Tire Force above 10 without rattling and clipping, and overall, the FFB is just much worse on about 10 Tire Force than before with 100 Tire Force. There is a huge thread about that problem: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?30820-Patch-1-4-FFB-reports/page5

It would be great to know what caused the FFB/TF error in 1.4 , and that it is confirmed fixed in 2.0 !

[Seubi42]

Oh yeah :) cool
It is good to see you working hard :)
thanks a lot for USB keyboard on PS4 :) we can combine wheel + keyboard to mal extra buttons, right ?

[Rustyjaw]

So, in searching the thread to see if Center Spring on PS4 has been addressed, I find someone claiming that it is, but I can't find any confirmation. It's not one of the points in the list, so I'm still curious if it's been fixed. Perhaps it's in the notes under a different description?

[PzR Slim]

So, in searching the thread to see if Center Spring on PS4 has been addressed, I find someone claiming that it is, but I can't find any confirmation. It's not one of the points in the list, so I'm still curious if it's been fixed. Perhaps it's in the notes under a different description?

Controls – All platforms
* Steering wheels – reduced the centering rate of the steering spring. This improves the feel of steering wheels at very low speeds.

[Stephen Viljoen]

* Multiplayer search filter 'Skill' now finds games based upon certain lobby game configuration criteria. For example, “Pro” setting now searches for Full Damage, Auto-start Engine, Forced Cockpit, Mechanical Failure, and so forth.


There seems to be some confusion about this point, so let me clarify - When you now search for a Pro lobby, it will search for lobbies that have Full Damage OR Auto-start Engine OR Forced Cockpit and so forth enabled. In other words, any lobby that specifically requires a pro mode feature. It doesn't require ALL of them, and you won't be forced to use ALL features tagged as Pro in order to qualify as a Pro lobby. I hope that helps to clarify.

[oscarolim]

Will it be possible to add keyboard support on the Xbox, or the sdk doesn't allow it?

[Umer Ahmad]

|| ! &&

(Been a few years for me)

Thanks Stephen. I think it helps. Still there will be some guys that vehemently disagree that an internal camera should be considered a PRO lobby attribute at all . I think they'll simply have to look for OTHER PRO lobbies that are not forcing internal cameras.

[oscarolim]

|| ! &&

(Been a few years for me)

!=
;)

[Stephen Viljoen]

We are investigating and fixing all reported issues, so if there is an issue that you don't see in this list, please don't post "Where is the fix for this issue?" style questions in this thread. There are dedicated threads in other areas on the forum where you can post and discuss other issues. Please keep discussions in this thread to issues mentioned in the list below.


..and another bump. Let's try it in bold red this time. :)
Mods, please bump this every few pages. Let's hope it works.

[joking_aura]

There seems to be some confusion about this point, so let me clarify - When you now search for a Pro lobby, it will search for lobbies that have Full Damage OR Auto-start Engine OR Forced Cockpit and so forth enabled. In other words, any lobby that specifically requires a pro mode feature. It doesn't require ALL of them, and you won't be forced to use ALL features tagged as Pro in order to qualify as a Pro lobby. I hope that helps to clarify.

Currently if I filter by anything on PS4 I come up with 0 results. Can't imagine this is isolated to me only. Has the filtering in general been addressed so I will actually find results?

[Chris Sercombe]

* XB1 – up to 17% frame rate improvement in extreme conditions

Ian, has this been achieved without lowering any graphic quality of the game, thx for great patch.

Think this may have got missed 10+ pages back.

[Rustyjaw]

Controls – All platforms
* Steering wheels – reduced the centering rate of the steering spring. This improves the feel of steering wheels at very low speeds.

Oh thank you! Stupid me, I was looking under PS4!

[PzR Slim]

There seems to be some confusion about this point, so let me clarify - When you now search for a Pro lobby, it will search for lobbies that have Full Damage OR Auto-start Engine OR Forced Cockpit and so forth enabled. In other words, any lobby that specifically requires a pro mode feature. It doesn't require ALL of them, and you won't be forced to use ALL features tagged as Pro in order to qualify as a Pro lobby. I hope that helps to clarify.

A couple of us did try to explain without any luck. Hopefully a dev posting will nip it in the bud...who am I kidding!

[C6ckneyGeezer]

Great work guys! Really looking forward to this!!

[Liquid7394]

No need to reword the patch notes, they mean exactly what you hope they do :) Yes, you can use the keyboard to (for example) adjust the seat while using the wheel to race.

Does that also mean a PS4 controller and wheel can have separate button mapping?

[Stag]

That's given me a bone.
More wishing the life away.

[memoric77]

Does that also mean a PS4 controller and wheel can have separate button mapping?

Interesting question! Needfull feature for the PS4 Gameplay!

[TheReaper GT]

Interesting question! Needfull feature for the PS4 Gameplay!

I don't think that's up for game developers. You guys ever been able to map control and wheel buttons at the same time in any PS4 game?

[ermo]

..and another bump. Let's try it in bold red this time. :)
Mods, please bump this every few pages. Let's hope it works.

Stephen, might be worth investigating if the forum software allows for certain threads to display a banner in the 'post reply' area. Your message could then be included in said banner and everyone would be guaranteed to see it before posting? :)

[Diablo944]

http://i.imgur.com/9hD8jVv.png

I hope the sequential gearing fix is what I think it is.

If its a fix ralated to sequential gearing then it might be, but as you havent explained what you think it actually is its likely a bit of a hard one fr anyone to comment on properly.

I like that the th8a shifter is now going to work with all the cars though regardless of h or sequential. So for me, thats one fix i do like

[David Slute]

Will this update fix the reset/clipping issue that was introduced in the last patch for some wheel users or is there a workaround ?

[PzR Slim]

Will this update fix the reset/clipping issue that was introduced in the last patch for some wheel users or is there a workaround ?

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[memoric77]

I don't think that's up for game developers. You guys ever been able to map control and wheel buttons at the same time in any PS4 game?

We guys maybe first time be able to map -》Fanatec《- Wheel and PS4 Controller at the same time. Question is good, funktion is good. Missing a lot of functions on my wheel, share button in example to record and share.

[Aldo Zampatti]

We are investigating and fixing all reported issues, so if there is an issue that you don't see in this list, please don't post "Where is the fix for this issue?" style questions in this thread. There are dedicated threads in other areas on the forum where you can post and discuss other issues. Please keep discussions in this thread to issues mentioned in the list below.


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[rbl]

* Gear shifters – when using an H-shifter on a car that has a sequential gearbox, the gearbox will now switch through the gears until the gear selected on the H-shifter is reached.
You should accompany this fix by getting Ben to record a few new pit-engineer messages along the line of "Did you know this car has a sequential gearbox?" :D

[Seelenkrank]

"* Steering wheels – reduced the centering rate of the steering spring. This improves the feel of steering wheels at very low speeds."

so it is like before the 1.4 patch?
no option planned where we can choose on our own the center/damper etc settings?

[David Slute]

I was hoping that the 43 page long thread regarding the issue would find me an answer or make it on the list

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?30820-Patch-1-4-FFB-reports/page43
......guess we will have to hope and wait to see

[KubikOssi]

When can we expect the ingame-chat-patch?

[Mattyd]

Do we have a release date for this patch?

[TheReaper GT]

Do we have a release date for this patch?

They said feel weeks

[Stag]

I don't think you should be considered pro sitting on the bumper. That should be in the fantasy arcade section. IMO it's meant to be a sim.
Also think you should have to use a wheel to be in pro and that's certain

[ingrobny]

Further tweaked the AI ability in wet races to more closely match the player car’s ability in the wet

:cheerful: :encouragement:

[blowfishrulez]

When can we expect the ingame-chat-patch?
Has it been acknowledged that there will be a patch?


Do we have a release date for this patch?
No, it depends on how long 1st party QA will take.

[Dominic Mako]

I think I'm most looking forward to the trigger rumble than anything else. That is a great addition. I also run a team with more than 8 people, so keeping the lobby from crashing after I send the invites would be welcome too.

[PzR Slim]

When can we expect the ingame-chat-patch?

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[Olijke Poffer]

Patch 2.0, this means there is no Patch 1.5? I really thought I read all about patch 1.5. Wow I need some sleep I guess...
Anyway, it looks like a great patch..

[blowfishrulez]

1.5 was renamed 2.0 because it is rewarded by the amount of fixes and improvements it contains.

[dr8g0n]

This patch list looks great. Hopefully the AI issues will be significantly improved. I was expecting triple monitor support to be included this time around though.... any ETA on that? Distorted side monitors and HUD is really holding back some of us from getting into this game more.

[Olijke Poffer]

1.5 was renamed 2.0 because it is rewarded by the amount of fixes and improvements it contains.


Ahh that makes sense. I thought I got a memory leak. ;-) thanks for the reply..

[Zero7159]

Awesome job guys. Both the PC and Xbox One versions are working great for me. This patch is icing on the cake. Thank you!

[hoodi4cars]

Hi,

Sorry if this has already been asked, but there's already 26 pages.


* Track cutting tolerances reduced on all tracks where it was too forgiving.
This is nice to hear, but I don't see a mention of the leaderboards? They surely contain laps with the old cutting rules, which may now no longer be beatable, ever. Is it planned to fix the leaderboards, or maybe make a reset?

thanks

edit: huh, after reloading this topic suddenly there's now only 21 pages?
edit2: ah Bealdor, you ninja'd me :)

[Bealdor]

Moved cockpit vs. bumper cam discussion here: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?32828-Forced-cockpit-view-in-quot-Pro-quot-rooms-discussion-%28from-Patch-2-0-notes-discussion%29

[diesel97]

Moved cockpit vs. bumper cam discussion here: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?32828-Forced-cockpit-view-in-quot-Pro-quot-rooms-discussion-%28from-Patch-2-0-notes-discussion%29

I hope you gave them boxing gloves also ;)

[SpeedRush]

Great to have the continued support for pCARS 1. Thanks for all the hard work guys and gals at SMS. All power to you.

Shame about the negativity and lunatic fringe drowning out the positive, well-intentioned and transparent business/software development model messages. But the sane majority do get what you are doing and appreciate it greatly. A truly fantastic achievement one and all.

Please don't let the overly vocal idiot minority grind you down!

[Ixoye56]

Awesome list! Thanks for all your hard work SMS it's very much appreciated.

[Schnizz58]

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i382/cardioyosh02/funny-animal-gifs-weird-boner.gif

[fuelledbysatan]

We ran into the issue of 'not being able to do everything instantly' Chris.

You've missed the part on lobby stabilization though but don't let that stop you.

You ran in to the issue of 'not being able to make a complete game before you sold it to the public' Ian.

[satco1066]

Ian, can you give us an example of what the fps change would be on a hard hitting track in extreme conditions? If you don't mind, sir.

Performance Improvements

"* XB1 – up to 17% frame rate improvement in extreme conditions"


Calculate yourself.
your actual rate times 1.17 !
cannot be so hard.

[FA RACING 01]

You ran in to the issue of 'not being able to make a complete game before you sold it to the public' Ian.

Perhaps if you get a new fuel supplier somebody might answer. I wont. (fueled by satan ? )

[TheReaper GT]

Calculate yourself.
your actual rate times 1.17 !
cannot be so hard.

You are so smart. Now teach me how to check FPS on xbox one

[Goldenballs2003]

I'm really excited for literally every fix under Physics & AI. Awesome job Ian and everyone else involved.

[Apex_13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr_YVQctXVg

See, now this is what I say everytime I look at the FFB set up screen in pcars.. It makes me feel like I'm 6 years old again trying to read the instructions on how to program a VCR. Is there anyway to (in the future) provide a simplified option for tuning FFB?

Also, fantastic patch!

[hobieone]

any word on the audio glitch with the race engineer which seems to randomly start talking to you out of the blue and then you never hear him for several race in career mode on the ps4?

[aussiejeff]

Hi,

Sorry if this has already been asked, but there's already 26 pages.


This is nice to hear, but I don't see a mention of the leaderboards? They surely contain laps with the old cutting rules, which may now no longer be beatable, ever. Is it planned to fix the leaderboards, or maybe make a reset?

thanks

edit: huh, after reloading this topic suddenly there's now only 21 pages?
edit2: ah Bealdor, you ninja'd me :)

I'll 2nd the motion. The patch notes are great but I don't think I have ever seen a definitive answer from the team as to how the myriad of leaderboard times set by extravagant corner cutting techniques are going to be deleted / weeded out / exterminated following the adjustment of track limits in patch 2.0?

Is it as simple as getting a *few* of the 40 PC1 staff to troll through the boards and kill the obvious BS times (I would hate for those damn nyah-nyah times to be set in concrete forever!) or WILL it require a full reset? Would love something definitive on this guys...

Meanwhile, cant wait to try all these new track limit changes... :beguiled:

[sirsilver1968]

Very impressive list of improvements, so looking forward to this being deployed :cool:

[liamnielsen]

Loving the speed with which you guys are pumping out the patches, keep up the great work making this awesome game even better! :)

[satco1066]

It would be great to know what caused the FFB/TF error in 1.4 , and that it is confirmed fixed in 2.0 !

if you delete or rename your profile in PC Version, the bug is gone.

[Umer Ahmad]

I'll 2nd the motion. The patch notes are great but I don't think I have ever seen a definitive answer from the team as to how the myriad of leaderboard times set by extravagant corner cutting techniques are going to be deleted / weeded out / exterminated following the adjustment of track limits in patch 2.0?

Is it as simple as getting a *few* of the 40 PC1 staff to troll through the boards and kill the obvious BS times (I would hate for those damn nyah-nyah times to be set in concrete forever!) or WILL it require a full reset? Would love something definitive on this guys...

Meanwhile, cant wait to try all these new track limit changes... :beguiled:

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?27013-Track-cutting-detection-fixes-coming-soon&p=990066&viewfull=1#post990066

[satco1066]

as long as XBox , MS, will not support Keyboards, i think you'll have to wait.

[leon1772]

good job. In the beta we saw the mechanics in the pits changing tires, you work on it? And how soon we can see the personal livery player in multiplayer?

no answer to my question???

[satco1066]

You are so smart. Now teach me how to check FPS on xbox one

Record a given video stream, have a program that counts how many times the picture's updated.
Technically no Problem, just related to the right Equipment. :boxing:

[Umer Ahmad]

no answer to my question???

No point bumping like this. When those are ready SMS will discuss it.

[morpwr]

I may be wrong here so correct me if i am.Why does the centering spring say reduced on ps4 when it is turned off on pc and xbox?Or is this just your way of saying its off?This has been my biggest issue with the game so far so im wondering about it.

[J.P.Montoya]

I hope with this Patch we can adjust the Deadzone from Motion Controls. I played Driveclub today with Motion Controls and didn't see any Deadzone, so It's not a problem with the Motion Controls from the Dualshock 4 itself

[Robhd]

This is a brilliant patch and I am almost too embarassed to ask but....

(In a whisper) please could you arrange for my engineer to talk to me regularly please in career mode? When it works its great but I seem to upset him a lot...

... Anyway please don't shout! Only asking.....

[daddyboosive]

Jeez.... That's some patch like. Fair play!

The main one is the FBB for the thrustmasters though. Good work and thank you.

[rams1de]

That's an impressive list, it could be like a whole new game after it arrives.

If you're having a sweep for how many fixes are actually fixed, please put me down for 42. ;)

[finndog]

Can you tell us how thé the work with project morpheus is coming on? I've high hopes for my rig to have a vr set-up but I hear a lot of bitching online that a ps 4 can't handle it. I take it that you as developers with hands on experience would know better than some glipe giving his two cents. Also any plans for a ps4 app? Are these things still in the pipeline or are we gonna have to wait for the next instalment? Love the game by the way.

[chimpyman]

no fix on the turbo sound for online matches for RWD P30 LMP1 yet? car is just no fun to drive with the sound being broken.

[satco1066]

* Added support for the use of all active controllers for menu input. You can for example now use a steering wheel to race, and a gamepad to control the menus and photo mode..

Great.
Now i can disassemble one of my old 360 Controllers and use the mainboard as heart of my planned switchbox.
:adoration:

[bjosim]

Good job guys! Keep up the good work and don't let'em get to you :)

[satco1066]

Do you have a child with the age of 4.
Then you'll understand.

"Yes, papi, but..........

[Grim80]

It should be earlier.

That's the reply I wanted to hear!

[browny8099]

bankrupt, hardly,lol, if you al lworked on it the patches would be finished quicker then you could all move on to pcars 2 and everyone that is moaning about bugs would have nothing to moan about as they would be playing the game,lol

That is a very naive statement, there will always be bugs and anyone that believes that can address them all in a limited time without creating new ones or someone finding something else has never had to manage / run a department or company being responsible for profit. Lets not forget, SMS is a business, they just happen to make their money doing something we all really enjoy playing, but it is still a business. If you think about it, the more success and money they get then, providing the utilise this in the right way, the better future projects will be.

I say keep the 40 strong team on PCars 1 and let the others concentrate on PCars 2, the bar has been set, there is no time to sit around and admire your creation, the competition wont be, they will be hard at it trying to emulate them. I for one and glad they are being realistic, bring it on.

[P4RTCH1MP]

As a Xbox One controller user could I possibly arrange to hug whoever made the call to add trigger feedback for traction loss?

[aussiejeff]

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?27013-Track-cutting-detection-fixes-coming-soon&p=990066&viewfull=1#post990066

Thanks man. Been outta the loop for a bit - mah 64 y.o. brain farted at the thought of trying to use search for answers... lol. :hypnotysed:

All I can add is - "Bring 'dem wipes on" (however you implement them).

There will be a massive downside for me of course. Will have to set aside another life to go TTíng again...haha!

Cheers

[Balmafra]

Wow, no mention of my PS4 turning on in the morning and the Zakspeed roaring in pCars to wake me up at 0530 in the morning. No mention of the Bentley Continental GT3 humming me to sleep before I go to bed, and no mention of Ben Collins calling my phone telling me I need to pit for fuel when I'm low. What has SMS been doing?

Just kidding.

Thanks for all your hard work SMS, WMD and players alike! Let's keep this up :).

[Trooper117]

Huzzah!... some great bug fixes there!

[ChrisK]

We ran into the issue of 'not being able to do everything instantly' Chris.

You've missed the part on lobby stabilization though but don't let that stop you.

Pretty sure I was not inflammatory or trolling with my post, yet I still get a smart ass reply from you. Don't get me wrong, I like a bit of banter and quite appreciate your sense of humor but that has to work both ways. I tend to find if we use this form of banter and catch you on a bad day you get on your high horse and go all nuclear. Let's leave that be though...

Perhaps I'm a little dense but I still don't see where it says that the multiplayer lobbies will be more stable on ps4.

I understand there is a limit to the amount of work one team can do. What is frustrating is some major flaws going unaddressed. Friends are becoming less and less keen to engage in longer organized races cos of this instability. Crashing and getting booted is frustrating as hell when it occurs so frequently and especially frustrating when you are keen for some good, longer racing sessions which takes up a lot of time and effort. We're not too keen on the jumping in and out of lobbies to have a quick race. We want the game to operate as a legitimate sim which means stability and an element of trust that what you set up for the race will happen. And what you don't want is invisible land mines, crashes, random driverthru penalties and a car setup completly different to what you've set in quali.

Sometimes we can spend a massive amount of time in practice and testing to get the right setup only for it not to be saved or not be loaded as it's supposed to.

My kids won't play the game and some of the newbs won't play anymore cos they use steering assist and the car automatically heading into the pits as you drive past is driving them nuts. It ruins the experience completely.

Yesterday evening, we set up 3 lobbies in an attempt to get it stable. All 3 times there were multiple occasions where different members were booted frequently. Jason copped a stop-go penalty on the start line for no reason at all. Aus-05 hit an invisible stationary car on the main straight of brands hatch, nickos was getting dragged into the pits for the last couple of laps. We gave up trying after about 40 minutes. It was a clusterf@ck of bugs and errors and the most striking thing was that in chat when these things occurred, no one was surprised and everyone said "yeah that's happened to me, it's a common bug". So the narrative of this game has become "lots of bugs...just deal with it". It's a marriag ive that's becoming increasingly prevalent in reviews and independent commentary. I'm sure this isn't what you guys had in mind when you were developing the game....was it ?

I'm not one of the tinfoil hat brigade that comes up with consipracy theories that you guys are abandoning pcars1 and also have no issue with SMS starting the cycle of developing pcRs2. What I am is someone who wants the game to be successful so can't quite get why these major flaws aren't the top of the priority list as they are such significant contributing factors to the whole experience. Basically what this is saying to me is that the aforementioned bugs will still be around for at least the next 2 months until 2.1 is released.

I've written this without frustration and in a respectful way. I don't want to start a flaming war and wanted to send this in PM but you don't have PM's. While I can't control the sycophants reaction to me writing this, I'll leave it in your hands on how you take this post or respond to it...if at all.

[spinkick]

If your pet issue is not in the patch notes its not in the patch.

[Umer Ahmad]

@ChrisK, everything is documented (see link in my sig) or known back at the WMD forum. Ian's coders are working hard to make it "perfect" or at least stable.

Some of these are difficult to reproduce internally and therefore tougher to solve. Nothing is "going unaddressed" simply because it hasn't been fixed yet, effort is being made but perhaps we cannot see it since the final solution is not yet ready and published in the notes.

People will view the game how they want. Some hate it. Some love it. It's important for SMS to forget the emotions and just solve the issues (see patch 2.0 notes in my sig).

[spinkick]

Is this the only issue with McLaren F1? With patch 1.4 it became undrivable, at least for me. Everytime I hit the gas pedal I lose control, even in 3rd gear it's hard to keep it straight.

Cheers

Make sure you are running the mclaren f1 tires not the hard run flats

[Steam]

Perhaps I'm a little dense but I still don't see where it says that the multiplayer lobbies will be more stable on ps4.


I just checked my Driver Profile on PS4, I have 269 races online. If remember being disconnected like 5 times. If this not stable enough for you...

[Balmafra]

Pretty sure I was not inflammatory or trolling with my post, yet I still get a smart ass reply from you. Don't get me wrong, I like a bit of banter and quite appreciate your sense of humor but that has to work both ways. I tend to find if we use this form of banter and catch you on a bad day you get on your high horse and go all nuclear. Let's leave that be though...

Perhaps I'm a little dense but I still don't see where it says that the multiplayer lobbies will be more stable on ps4.

I understand there is a limit to the amount of work one team can do. What is frustrating is some major flaws going unaddressed. Friends are becoming less and less keen to engage in longer organized races cos of this instability. Crashing and getting booted is frustrating as hell when it occurs so frequently and especially frustrating when you are keen for some good, longer racing sessions which takes up a lot of time and effort. We're not too keen on the jumping in and out of lobbies to have a quick race. We want the game to operate as a legitimate sim which means stability and an element of trust that what you set up for the race will happen. And what you don't want is invisible land mines, crashes, random driverthru penalties and a car setup completly different to what you've set in quali.

Sometimes we can spend a massive amount of time in practice and testing to get the right setup only for it not to be saved or not be loaded as it's supposed to.

My kids won't play the game and some of the newbs won't play anymore cos they use steering assist and the car automatically heading into the pits as you drive past is driving them nuts. It ruins the experience completely.

Yesterday evening, we set up 3 lobbies in an attempt to get it stable. All 3 times there were multiple occasions where different members were booted frequently. Jason copped a stop-go penalty on the start line for no reason at all. Aus-05 hit an invisible stationary car on the main straight of brands hatch, nickos was getting dragged into the pits for the last couple of laps. We gave up trying after about 40 minutes. It was a clusterf@ck of bugs and errors and the most striking thing was that in chat when these things occurred, no one was surprised and everyone said "yeah that's happened to me, it's a common bug". So the narrative of this game has become "lots of bugs...just deal with it". It's a marriag ive that's becoming increasingly prevalent in reviews and independent commentary. I'm sure this isn't what you guys had in mind when you were developing the game....was it ?

I'm not one of the tinfoil hat brigade that comes up with consipracy theories that you guys are abandoning pcars1 and also have no issue with SMS starting the cycle of developing pcRs2. What I am is someone who wants the game to be successful so can't quite get why these major flaws aren't the top of the priority list as they are such significant contributing factors to the whole experience. Basically what this is saying to me is that the aforementioned bugs will still be around for at least the next 2 months until 2.1 is released.

I've written this without frustration and in a respectful way. I don't want to start a flaming war and wanted to send this in PM but you don't have PM's. While I can't control the sycophants reaction to me writing this, I'll leave it in your hands on how you take this post or respond to it...if at all.

What about this issue is not being addressed? What if the issue is more complicated and requires more time than the bugs that were posted here just now? Who says no one is working on it? Instead of trying to bash SMS every time they do something, why not try to give them more info and be part of the solution instead? You're wasting your time arguing with Ian, plain and and simple and it's annoying.

[NWRAP]

Still no ability to have more than 1 custom livery for each car?