SMS-R Touring - Snetterton 300 - Clio Cup Car

[choupolo]

I've never been comfortable with the Clio Cup race car on any track. First you get a whole bunch of torque steer but lose seconds of laptime if you can't keep your minimum corner speed up. Mashing the throttle just leads to bags of understeer and so to carry any momentum without full throttle you have to be able to chuck the car into a corner with a tad too much speed but do it smoothly maintaining a slight drift with front wheel drive working against you.

Snetterton is also a unique challenge. Not only is the circuit map shaped like a ****, there are some tricky corners. Particularly Brundle into Nelson after the long Bentley straight, and Coram into Murrays before the start/finish, having to modulate braking to gradually slow down while turning before braking more heavily just before sharply exiting in the opposite direction, which really tests your cars stability and direction change.

So I'm pretty happy on a 2.04.9 currently (PS4 pad) which is top 20 for now. I've been about 8/10ths up on this but haven't strung the lap together yet, but that would be top 10. The top time is a 2.02.6 for which I currently have no explanation! Top pad time is a 2.03.5. Haven't raced the ghosts yet. (are there cuts on Snett?)

I've made some setup changes and these are fairly limited in the Clio. Most helpful was softening the front sway bar to minimum of 15 to reduce understeer. My camber is 0 but left some toe on. Reduced LSD decel to 5 and preload to 40. Also softened rear slow bump and rebound a little for stable change of direction. Brake ducts 0. Rear tyre pressure 1.55. Gears are default.

Let us know how you're finding this one! :)

[mikadri]

The top time is a 2.02.6 for which I currently have no explanation!

:cool: Lool

Edit.
Now I´ve made a video with a 2.02.601,and even the setup
I´ve used.(2.45 in vid) and here http://projectcarssetups.eu/#/viewsetup/278133335
This is with ABS only.
Hope it explain a little...:)
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/th_SDV_0286.mp4 (http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/SDV_0286.mp4)

[ibby]

Don't think there are cuts choupolo. :)
Or at least 2:01 and maybe less seems possible without them.

http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard?track=1508903068&vehicle=3646257473

Love those tricky corners you already identified. Currently using alot of pedal overlap there. Seems to work pretty well there.

[WRT IVORBIGUN]

Currently have a 2.02.7 on the Xbox One using the controller. The last time I checked the fastest controller time is a 2.02.5. The current No1 is a 2.02.295 using a wheel.

I am finding this a very enjoyable challenge and if I put all my best split times together then my aim is a very low 2.02, maybe even a very high 2.01.

[choupolo]

Thanks mikadri. Ok so the challenge is on!

The Clio is a small turbo engine right? So I guess it's vital to keep it spooled up and so pedal overlap will be useful. I'm having to experiment with technique a lot for this one and like I said it's an alien car to me! :D

[Joni Varis]

Just did some laps and immideatly remember why havent driven this car much at all. Its simply underpowered, understeery & lazy. At the moment you step to throtthle car simply wants to go straight.

Not much point to waste more time to it as the car just dont suit to me at all, driving it is like pure torture :)

[mikadri]

Well,we all use same car.
A shame you give up,cuz it would have been nice to see,-once and for all what´s fastest,Assist or no assist.

[Joni Varis]

Offcourse its same car for everyone :)

I just dont enjoy driving this type of cars that handles completely opposite to what i prefer.

[havocc]

Just did some laps and immideatly remember why havent driven this car much at all. Its simply underpowered, understeery & lazy. At the moment you step to throtthle car simply wants to go straight.

Not much point to waste more time to it as the car just dont suit to me at all, driving it is like pure torture :)

Same here

This car is just horrible, hard to drive and not fun at all, i prefer driving road cars like huayra gumpert or P1 over this mess of a car so i can enjoy the raw power of monster engines...

[Joni Varis]

Well its not hard to drive, just understeers like mad & while tuning is really limited so you cant really change it much. But ye definately not fun car to drive.

[choupolo]

Mikadri how do you get such low tyre pressures to work at the front? I'm already going red with default.

[mikadri]

Perhaps because I turn all damage/tire wear off?
I really don´t know.It´s even possible to have one front tyre in blue after long corner,but I think it´s when
I use too stiff sway bar.I struggle my self to find a setting so the tire last 1 lap only.
Maby it´s the extreme camber setting (0)

[Joni Varis]

Hes using wheel so likely just not scrubbing the tires as much. I tried as low than 1.35f & 1.30r and fronts still didnt overheat & rears actually got blue occasionally after 2 laps.

[choupolo]

I'm probably just being too aggressive with it then. I'm combatting understeer by throwing the car into corners when actually I should be finding a setup that turns better on the throttle.

My worst corner is currently turn 3 the medium left hander that tightens. Think I'm trying too hard to carry speed, but losing upto half a second by not being smooth enough. I'm surprised by your sway bar setup mikadri as you have the front stiff. Does that not just lead to understeer?

[gmanzaa]

One of the best events so far. The Times are legit and its addictive getting this little s**t round as fast as poss!

[choupolo]

Getting into it myself now. Just improved to a 2.04.1 by using much stiffer sway bars, almost fully stiff rather than super soft as I had it before. Suddenly the car is much more predictable.

Hoping to spend a bit more time on it tomorrow and shave 0.5s somewhere. I don't see a 2.02 happening for me though. :)

[gmanzaa]

I reckon I've got a 2:03 in me but it is hard getting the perfect lap!

[RAVEracer]

It sure is fun that's for sure :cool: The end of the lap is difficult to get right hey, the heart rate rises when you're on a good lap. At least when you do get it right the satisfaction is nice :D I got a 2:04.7 today. I should play around with the setup a bit, but I've run out of time lol.

[Joca63]

One of the best events so far. The Times are legit and its addictive getting this little s**t round as fast as poss!

Not really, at least in the PC arena...already saw the usual track corner cutters...can not wait to the see what the new patch will do with the track limits.

[choupolo]

Which corners are being cut Joca?

[mikadri]

Not really, at least in the PC arena...already saw the usual track corner cutters...can not wait to the see what the new patch will do with the track limits.

What are you talking about?You "already saw the usual cutters",but your not even in top 100 on pc leaderboard.Then how can you see if they cut?There´s absolut no cuts on that track for sure,or at least any where you can gain advantage with that car.

[Joca63]

What are you talking about?You "already saw the usual cutters",but your not even in top 100 on pc leaderboard.Then how can you see if they cut?There´s absolut no cuts on that track for sure,or at least any where you can gain advantage with that car.

??? Why do you think I would waste my time coming here to write lies??? HOW do you know I am not on the top 100? Do you think all the players have the same name here and in their steam account profile, for example? Is the current 8th time on the LB good enough for you? Two players cut (at least when I checked 2 days ago and I had the 3rd time - I stopped lapping there) the inside line at the end of the opposite straight, in that left/right corners...making them almost do a straight line on the second tight one...just do not assume things when you are not certain of them.

BTW, I am J.C.Aires in the game...I am normally in the top 10-20 in the events I try...

[mikadri]

Calm down!No one say you lie,but you assume the top drivers cut without kowing for sure.
I still don´t believe it´s possible to get advantage of any cuts on this track.
I´ve just did 2.02.147 on PS4.No cutting at all.

[Joca63]

Calm down!No one say you lie,but you assume the top drivers cut without kowing for sure.
I still don´t believe it´s possible to get advantage of any cuts on this track.
I´ve just did 2.02.147 on PS4.No cutting at all.

Again Mate??? Assume?!? I was racing their ghosts and I saw where they were taking an advantage on me, ok? Behind the wheel and watching the replays...omg. I did not say ALL the top drivers...I said we had the "usual corners cut", did not I?

[Joni Varis]

There has been something strange going on with ghosts on past few events. Sometimes those just doesnt get uploaded. Like today did some more laps on this event, first got 2.02.4 and ghost was fine, but then improved to 2.02.2 and ghost wasnt uploaded. I did notice that it took unusually long to get back to the event menu after exit from the session.

[choupolo]

2.03.8 is going to be my best. Still learning.

That last second is always the toughest to crack. I was getting somewhere with this pedal overlap technique to keep the turbo spooled up but needed much more time to master it.

Congrats to all.

[Yinato]

Hello everyone,

After a wonderful holiday spent at Gamescom 2015, it was time to get back to work!

I could ride about three hours but it was enough to allow me to make a correct time: 2.01:731

As after each round of SMS/R championship, here's the video with my lap:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqZgA6fHjgI


Sincerely,
Anthony.

[mikadri]

Thanks for the video and the lesson Yinato :)
-wish you would share your set up-just for this car/track,that could help a lot of people here.
I think this challenge have been the absolut best/clean so far,and I´ve really enjoined it.
Here´s the final result for PS4.
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/mikadri/Project%20CARS_20150811085728.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/mikadri/media/Project%20CARS_20150811085728.jpg.html)

[choupolo]

Thanks Yinato. Well done after only a few hours too!

It's always great to to compare your videos. I feel reassured that at least my lines and techniques are very similar. It all felt familiar, apart from the laptime! The only difference I could see is that you change gear at lower revs, where I was taking it to the top of the 3rd shifter lights. Wouldn't account for two seconds though.

Thanks for sharing, and I'd love to learn a few setup tips too. ;)

[mikadri]

Yes,I was also changing gear little too late compare to this,and last corner I did in 2.nd.
Also I´m convinced now that using no assists IS the fastest in this game.
Unfortunally I no longer have that kind of sensivity in my old legs to go without abs..

[Joni Varis]

How exatly you got to conclusion that no assist is the fastest? All top times were set with ABS on, some also had tc & sc.

[Yinato]

How exatly you got to conclusion that no assist is the fastest? All top times were set with ABS on, some also had tc & sc.

Hello Joni,

Forgive me, but your words actually become annoying and repetitive, I think everyone here understands your point of view.

Thank you for your understanding.


Sincerely,
Anthony.

[mikadri]

How exatly you got to conclusion that no assist is the fastest? All top times were set with ABS on, some also had tc & sc.

Well,I simply just asume Yinato did´nt used anything.How do you know he did?I was using all in my last time set,and could´nt go any faster.I hope this answer your question,because I´m actually not interested in any deeper discussion with you.

[Jezza819]

For me it's very hard to get this car settled while making that long right hand turn before the last left. I guess that's because of it being FWD. I spoiled quite a few laps by getting the right side slightly off track at that last left. I don't tune anything I just always go with the default setup. I think the best I got was 2:08 or 2:09 and some change.

[Joni Varis]

Well,I simply just asume Yinato did´nt used anything.How do you know he did?I was using all in my last time set,and could´nt go any faster.I hope this answer your question,because I´m actually not interested in any deeper discussion with you. If you actually look the vid posted, its shown at hud what assists were in use ;)

[Joca63]

Hello Joni,

Forgive me, but your words actually become annoying and repetitive, I think everyone here understands your point of view.

Thank you for your understanding.


Sincerely,
Anthony.

I am sorry but I really do not get your point with this kind of answer?!? One concluded that no assists IS faster, and the other just asked how did he know? It is a fair discussion...and I, imho, do believe that ABS, at least, helps a lot in this track with this car, mainly in the two two corners sequences we have here..

[GT-Club_Atho_]

And there is my lap. Great battle with Yinato again :cool:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuuhkCIHunI

[WRT IVORBIGUN]

A very enjoyable but equally frustrating challenge. My split times always suggested a 2.01 was possible but could never put them together in a lap and had to settle for a 2.02.339. Not too bad considering I am using a controller and never spent more than 30mins hotlapping. I know for a fact I could go much faster with a wheel.

I will add that I actually found using stablility control faster. I am sure some will scoff but I don't care as I shall use whichever assist that makes me go faster!