Old Vs New Car Pack Now Available On Demand!

[Rob Prange]

Today, Project CARS continues its programme of continual updates and fresh content delivery with the release of the Old Vs New Car Pack featuring three retro machines and their modern-day counterparts...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AWjUanSILI

Additional Career information from post #111 copied here:

BMW 320TC Touring Challenge - A four-round series featuring the BMW 320TC
Calendar Date – Aug 1st
Locations – Oulton Park International, Oschersleben GP, Sakitto Sprint, Imola
Unlock Criteria - Complete 28 career podium finishes

The other new cars all fall in one of these classes: Road A, Road B, Historic Touring 2, and are eligible to enter any of the relevant career series for those classes.

[golfcab93]

Great great great!

But we need Patch 3.0! Is there any info if the patch got green light from Microsoft?

[smokinmasta]

Cant see it in store though (PC version) or on Xbox (but must be down to 3.0 not released yet?).........so yeah it be out just cant see it to buy it!!!

[Tompo]

If only i could perform such drifts....

[Racinglova]

Any updates on when patch 3.0 will be released for Xbox One? It's been sooooo long!

[weerufus]

mistimed announcement hopefully & 3.0 will land soon

[Racinglova]

Their Twitter account just replied to me: https://gyazo.com/2662fa7ae1d6c9653145821a8cdc268d

[mkstatto]

Ive posted this in the main forum as well. Can we please have an option to download racing cars only, I have no interest what so ever in any road cars. I only want the Wtcc BMW in this back yet have to shell out for a bunch of cars I don't want. It's not very 'on demand'!

[Freak_Lord]

Really great video, Ed!!

[smokinmasta]

mistimed announcement hopefully & 3.0 will land soon What i was thinking too matey :)

[Jan Studenski]

Ive posted this in the main forum as well. Can we please have an option to download racing cars only, I have no interest what so ever in any road cars. I only want the Wtcc BMW in this back yet have to shell out for a bunch of cars I don't want. It's not very 'on demand'!

The prices are extremely cheap for those DLC ... you dont have to drive them.

Look at iRacing ... a car cost over 10 bucks and a track is 15 ... here dlcs are between 3 and 5 bucks ...

[cluck]

Less than £3 for 5 cars? As I said in the 'physics of' thread, I'd have happily paid £3 just for the Yellowbird :D. The BMW 2002 is a hooligan of a car to drive, absolutely love it. All in all, a really nice selection of cars :yes:.

[Fanatest]

Ive posted this in the main forum as well. Can we please have an option to download racing cars only, I have no interest what so ever in any road cars. I only want the Wtcc BMW in this back yet have to shell out for a bunch of cars I don't want. It's not very 'on demand'!

I agree :D

How/why they called it on demand, when by the sheer definition of the word, if defies it?

If anything it's procedural content, spoon fed to the users that they have absolutely no control over in any way shape or form (except, to buy or not to buy)

On demand should have been the entire DLC released in packs on day 1:

WTCC PACK
BTCC PACK
ROAD PACK
OPEN WHEEL PACK
PROTOTYPE PACK
CLASSIC PACK
GT SERIES

each containing cars and tracks.

Users can then consume whatever "expansion pack' they want, when they want it (on demand) It's shocking to think oval may not arrive until 2016 (spring)

Imagine going into Netflix (on demand) to watch house of cards, only to be told the next episode is out next month :D

"On demand" :D

[mkstatto]

I'd prefer the racing cars released to date in pack together, I haven't bought any packs due having cars that I don't want in it. This game is supposed to be about the community wants, and I know I'm not the only one who prefers racing cars only. Instead of paying what £15 to get all the packs and disregarding the road cars, I think it is reasonable to request a racing cars only option, maybe you increase the numbers buying into the dlc.

[nissan4ever]

I'll definitely pick this pack up on Xbox One when available, soon.

[mkstatto]

The prices are extremely cheap for those DLC ... you dont have to drive them.

Look at iRacing ... a car cost over 10 bucks and a track is 15 ... here dlcs are between 3 and 5 bucks ...

It maybe a dying trait in the modern world, but I don't particularly like paying for something I don't want, regardless of price.

[Cheesenium]

Ive posted this in the main forum as well. Can we please have an option to download racing cars only, I have no interest what so ever in any road cars. I only want the Wtcc BMW in this back yet have to shell out for a bunch of cars I don't want. It's not very 'on demand'!

Well, the BMW 2002 and Mustang 2+2 is also classed in Historic B along with Red Pig and Escort.

Both cars arent exactly classed as road cars but there are some confusion with the Mustang as it has road liveries but somehow it goes with Historic B touring cars.

I wont mind seeing Mustang being classed into Historic B. It seemed to fit the class well, IMO.

[SturmNorbert]

Wtcc ÁÁÁÁÁÁÁÁÁÁ Super

[donpost]

I see whoever did the driving for that trailer video went to the Tiff Needell school of car presentation...

[Human]

Well done SMS, cracking download and well priced!!!

[Photonmonkey]

Cannot believe people are complaining about not being able to purchase individual cars because they don't want the others in the pack, the price is so cheap even if it had a Reliant Robin in there I would still buy them. SMS are trying to cater for all, some of us actually like driving the road cars to their limits. Some could say that the race cars are a tad boring to drive. I happen to like 'cars' in general and so will give anything a blast, even the A1 can be fun when thrown around some of the tighter tracks.

[Marrrfooo]

I agree :D

How/why they called it on demand, when by the sheer definition of the word, if defies it?

If anything it's procedural content, spoon fed to the users that they have absolutely no control over in any way shape or form (except, to buy or not to buy)

On demand should have been the entire DLC released in packs on day 1:

WTCC PACK
BTCC PACK
ROAD PACK
OPEN WHEEL PACK
PROTOTYPE PACK
CLASSIC PACK
GT SERIES

each containing cars and tracks.

Users can then consume whatever "expansion pack' they want, when they want it (on demand) It's shocking to think oval may not arrive until 2016 (spring)

Imagine going into Netflix (on demand) to watch house of cards, only to be told the next episode is out next month :D

"On demand" :D

I think you've mistaken you preferred method of DLC for a developer who would (somehow) not only create nearly 2x games worth of content in the space of time it took to make 1x game, but to also *hold back* material and deliberately deploy it as DLC to effectively double the price of a game and take away any choice from the community (which there is but likely to kick in further down the road).

[mkstatto]

Cannot believe people are complaining about not being able to purchase individual cars because they don't want the others in the pack, the price is so cheap even if it had a reliant robin in there I would still buy them. SMS are trying to cater for all, some of us actually like driving the road cars to their limits as some could say that the race cars are a tad boring to drive. I happen to like 'cars' in general and so will give anything a blast, even the A1 can be fun when thrown around some of the tighter tracks.

Shock as different people hold differing opinions, I have outlined my stance as to why I won't be purchasing it and have asked for other options or groupings of cars to be provided.

[Beltoon]

Ive posted this in the main forum as well. Can we please have an option to download racing cars only, I have no interest what so ever in any road cars. I only want the Wtcc BMW in this back yet have to shell out for a bunch of cars I don't want. It's not very 'on demand'!


Then don't buy it. Problem solved.


SMS cares about their customers.

[KkDrummer]

SMS cares about their customers.

WOW o_O.....this DLC is not available for the Xbox One? Do we need 3.0 before getting the DLC?

[golfcab93]

WOW o_O.....this DLC is not available for the Xbox One? Do we need 3.0 before getting the DLC?


Yes first 3.0 then the DLC. All Data for the DLC is in Patch 3.0

[KkDrummer]

Yes first 3.0 then the DLC. All Data for the DLC is in Patch 3.0

Thanks for that...double trouble for Xbox users then....sigh....

[Bad_Dan]

It doesn´t show up in steam, where can I get it?

[phinn]

Thanks again for another great PCars DLC / update. The 3.0 update rocks too.... For those asking again for an Xbox update, seriously why buy for that platform it's the worst for this game (and most games it seems)? Would definitely go PC or PS4, especially for this.

Will there ever be new tracks? Even for money. I know it seems everyone has asked for a different track but living in the USA I would still *love* to see Pike's Peak (unique high elevation course, lots of turns) and Circuit of the Americas (USA F1 track).

[amazed]

Thanks again for another great PCars DLC / update. The 3.0 update rocks too.... For those asking again for an Xbox update, seriously why buy for that platform it's the worst for this game (and most games it seems)? Would definitely go PC or PS4, especially for this.

Will there ever be new tracks? Even for money. I know it seems everyone has asked for a different track but living in the USA I would still *love* to see Pike's Peak (unique high elevation course, lots of turns) and Circuit of the Americas (USA F1 track).

Did you not see the Rapuana track expansion?

Rumoured to be a Red Bull track expansion next month, I think.

[mkstatto]

.. For those asking again for an Xbox update, seriously why buy for that platform it's the worst for this game (and most games it seems)? Would definitely go PC or PS4, especially for this...

This must go down as one of the most helpful posts I've ever come across, it may not occur to you that some people may not be as privileged to own all the consoles and a top line PC. Perspective needed.

[redglyph]

There was an update on Steam and now I see an "On Demand" option in the main menu, but it does absolutely nothing.
Isn't that available now yet? Is there something to configure somewhere? SMS doesn't explain much about this feature.

[phinn]

Did you not see the Rapuana track expansion?
Rumoured to be a Red Bull track expansion next month, I think.

Hmm now that you mention it I thought that downloaded automatically and it may not have, haven't raced on that course yet. Thanks for reminder.

[RSfordy]

I cant see the new vs old dlc in steam is it out yet ?

[DinkLv]

When will the new patch 3.5 come out?

[Umer Ahmad]

When will the new patch 3.5 come out?

Before 4.0 probably.

[cluck]

SMS cares about their customers.Mods are not SMS employees, they are all unpaid volunteers trying to help :).

For what it's worth, I'm in agreement with both mkstatto and Bealdor from the quotes in your post. If there was something that annoyed me about a particular DLC then I wouldn't buy it. The fact that I will barely ever drive the Mustang Fastback thingy is irrelevant to me, I was happy to pay the £2.95 just for the RUF CTR. That the BMW 2002 turned out to be such a lot of fun was a nice bonus. So, for me, the purchase of the pack was a no-brainer.

[tarbat]

Saw this announced on twitter, but can't find it in the Marketplace. Do we have to buy in-game or in the marketplace. Thanks.

[3800racingfool]

Saw this announced on twitter, but can't find it in the Marketplace. Do we have to buy in-game or in the marketplace. Thanks.

For XB1 users you'll need to have Patch 3.0 first which obviously hasn't dropped yet. (you have my sympathies)

[Photonmonkey]

Shock as different people hold differing opinions, I have outlined my stance as to why I won't be purchasing it and have asked for other options or groupings of cars to be provided.

I cannot see how SMS could do it any other way, as you say yourself everyone has different opinions, therefore just having a race car only pack say, would alienate other users, at least with a varied car pack you can cater for all. Like I say it's so cheap even if you don't use half the cars it's still a bargain IMHO. If they were charging what another dev used to for recycled cars from previous iterations of a game I would agree.

[tarbat]

Not out on Xbox. Not until 3.0 is released

So why didn't they say that in their twitter feed? Jeez, talk about building up false expectations. So, will this "Old vs New" thing for XBOX be available later today, or is it further down the line than that?

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[Raven403]

So why didn't they say that in their twitter feed? Jeez, talk about building up false expectations. So, will this "Old vs New" thing for XBOX be available later today, or is it further down the line than that?

216364

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?37087-Patch-3-0-And-the-wait-starts/page196

post 1958. yes, 1,958. lol

[Aero_95]

You can get DLC from Steam by using web browser. I bought DLC#5 using chrome, not Steam-client.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/334774

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[tarbat]

Thanks Raven403. So, a premature announcement by Bandai. Hopeless :(

[canrod88]

apparently free car coming to September is the Mercedes-Benz W194 300SL 1952, that relationship has with red bull do not know, I say that the next package is "Red Bull Ignition"

make your comparisons, it is evident that the Mercedes, well the truth no matter what comes, what interests me October Car Pack "Aston Martin" only for the 2009 Aston Martin DBR1-2, and count the days.

[WarlordBR]

"RUF CTR3-GT Velocity 1HR (win 2 team championships) and Supercar FreeFall 24HR Panorama (win 4 team championships) still locked yet???..."

And about this bug?? Nothing yet ?

[mkstatto]

I cannot see how SMS could do it any other way, as you say yourself everyone has different opinions, therefore just having a race car only pack say, would alienate other users, at least with a varied car pack you can cater for all. Like I say it's so cheap even if you don't use half the cars it's still a bargain IMHO. If they were charging what another dev used to for recycled cars from previous iterations of a game I would agree.

I have never said remove the option of this pack, as I acknowledge here that the pack will appeal to others, iam clearly stating that the option of the racing cars only be an additional option to the standard pack.

[redglyph]

You can get DLC from Steam by using web browser. I bought DLC#5 using chrome, not Steam-client.


Ah, so it's not in the "on demand" menu in the game? Most confusing... I kept trying, thinking there was something wrong with my installation.

And it's not available on Steam either (client or web), so I guess those announcements were a bit premature ;)

[slow-mo-bro]

Will the old vs new pack have its own career?

[Aero_95]

Ah, so it's not in the "on demand" menu in the game? Most confusing... I kept trying, thinking there was something wrong with my installation.

And it's not available on Steam either (client or web), so I guess those announcements were a bit premature ;)

Possible Steam issue? = out of SMS's hands

[John Hargreaves]

I cannot see how SMS could do it any other way, as you say yourself everyone has different opinions, therefore just having a race car only pack say, would alienate other users, at least with a varied car pack you can cater for all. Like I say it's so cheap even if you don't use half the cars it's still a bargain IMHO. If they were charging what another dev used to for recycled cars from previous iterations of a game I would agree.

It's as if you are saying that if the car pack was all race cars, then some people would moan that there were no road cars in the pack, which I find impossible to believe. Or not.

[MRCK1]

U can find the new DLC by "racing" tag in Steam client.

[adi518]

Doesn't appear where I expected it to be, but Ok. WMD should sort it though.

[Spitfire77]

Dang the BMW 320 TC is spec'd for 377mph top speed :cool:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yge2rd89anpjwfxoFvrNtMwbSCgyG454hebKjTv6J1CI=w600-h698-no

[marcioindau]

Just LOVE the old cars in this game. Zakspeed ftw.
Can we have vectras? =)

[redglyph]

U can find the new DLC by "racing" tag in Steam client.
Thanks!

Indeed, they really should sort this out. Most of us are used to different release dates in the world, and will just assume it's not released yet.
I guess most aren't expecting to search elsewhere than in the pCARS DLC either :/

[snipeme77]

So sorry to join the party late, but no patch for Xbone yet? Well bullmarlarky

[NemethR]

You can get DLC from Steam by using web browser. I bought DLC#5 using chrome, not Steam-client.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/334774

216369

I had this issue too, does not show up in steam client.

Thanks for sharing, purchasing now :)

[Umer Ahmad]

Dang the BMW 320 TC is spec'd for 377mph top speed :cool:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yge2rd89anpjwfxoFvrNtMwbSCgyG454hebKjTv6J1CI=w600-h698-no
LUDICROUS SPEED.....GO ! #SpaceBalls

[yusupov]

i noticed yesterday only 2 dlc packs showed in the store so im not surprised this ones not showing up -- its not an insignificant problem, esp on a release day, so i hope steam gets that sorted. thanks for the workarounds guys.

[Whisky]

wow this dlc is awesome, having a blast with all the new cars so far.
anyone else notices that this cars, especially the old ones feel/drive much better than most of the existend cars or is it just me?

[yusupov]

i suppose it could be the cars, as most don't have solid equivalents in-game, but do you use jack spade's custom ffb? the new cars aren't tuned by him yet so maybe you like the default pcars ffb more than the tuned set youre using.

[Dutchmountains]

It aint on steam at this moment

[lifeofbrian]

Search "Project Cars" in steam store, it will show.


It aint on steam at this moment

[lifeofbrian]

Just drove every car and I love them all, keep those WTCC cars coming.:)

[ingrobny]

:) Very nice. Thank you SMS.

[bigsilverhotdog]

Not on Steam still...

[MAARTEN]

Love the new cars in this DLC! Thank you for hard, commited and professional work SMS!

[Bealdor]

Not on Steam still...

http://store.steampowered.com/app/334774/

[flymar]

Love the yellowbird, love the old Mustang (apart of the rollover behaviour and driving in rain), Mustang GT - not so much:)

[amazed]

Old Mustang:

"Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow" (HHGTTG)

[redglyph]

Funny, apparently there's another DLC which was not visible in the game's DLC list: "Project CARS - Modified Car Pack", which was made available on July 21. Now is see it on the website of course (http://www.projectcarsgame.com/on-demand.html). Apparently some of those packs are only seen in the game's DLC contents, others are only seen by looking for the tag "Developer: Slightly Mad Studios", or "Racing", ...

Steam is evil :eek:


Those Mustangs are quite the beast to drive, normally I'm not going for American cars but they are something to experience (and iconic too) :)

[TheDoctor46]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/334774/
Pretty sure he meant the Steam client where its still not present (yet) ;)

[FasterThenYou]

nice speed tho :D

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[jgaganas]

Worth for the RUFs alone... fantastic pricing (about a cappuccino)!

[Racinglova]

Still not showing up on the Xbox store, what's going on?

[amazed]

Won't be on XBone till patch 3.0 drops....

[Bealdor]

Still not showing up on the Xbox store, what's going on?

Unfortunately you can't purchase the DLC before patch 3.0 arrives.

Edit: Ninja'd

[TheDoctor46]

Needs patch 3.0 to work. Description here: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?37087-Patch-3-0-And-the-wait-starts&p=1100260#post1100260

[KubikOssi]

Needs patch 3.0 to work. Description here: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?37087-Patch-3-0-And-the-wait-starts&p=1100260#post1100260
oh, then we get this one as a xmas present on xb1 ;)

[ElectricBlues85]

Well the BMW 320 TC at Oulton Park is just phenomenal. I'm never going to stop playing. Ever.

Edit: just seen there is an invitational event for the car. Bring on "August 1st"

[lifeofbrian]

Just did a race at Snetterton in the BMW TC, so much win! I love every car in this DLC. Can't wait 'till they bring the next WTCC car out.

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Well the BMW 320 TC at Oulton Park is just phenomenal. I'm never going to stop playing. Ever.

Edit: just seen there is an invitational event for the car. Bring on "August 1st"

[Fanatest]

I think you've mistaken you preferred method of DLC for a developer who would (somehow) not only create nearly 2x games worth of content in the space of time it took to make 1x game, but to also *hold back* material and deliberately deploy it as DLC to effectively double the price of a game and take away any choice from the community (which there is but likely to kick in further down the road).

Nope...
I used the English definition of the words "on demand" and tried to see how they even remotely fit in to this scenario...

When unable to do so (due to semantics) i came up with a type of DLC that could be called "on demand" and provided it as an example.

Additionally, suggesting that day 1 DLC is a new concept? Really? :D
Also SMS themselves stated that they have held back content as they awaited licensing, so .... ;)

But I'll leave it there as the fact remains... "On demand" it is not...

If you still think it is, can I order the ovals, BTCC, WTCC please ;)

[satco1066]

I bought it, because i wanted to race the BMW 2002 Turbo in historic touring.
Now what, could not find it. It's labeled Historic Touring Class B, but in category Road.

Please fix that soon!
Just an entry in a XML file.

[John Hargreaves]

I bought it, because i wanted to race the BMW 2002 Turbo in historic touring.
Now what, could not find it. It's labeled Historic Touring Class B, but in category Road.

Please fix that soon!
Just an entry in a XML file.
Works fine though if you just do a same class race. This dlc really fleshes out that historic touring class nicely.

[snipeme77]

LUDICROUS SPEED.....GO ! #SpaceBalls

Hotwheels Highway 35 anyone?

[xXDoc187Xx]

Is this available in NA?

[satco1066]

Works fine though if you just do a same class race. This dlc really fleshes out that historic touring class nicely.

Yap , you're right. But if you go to garage and want to select your favorite livery you can't find it, cause its in Road.

Your hint helps, but this workaround is not a fix , and i have bad feeling that test department could not sort out this little bug in such a little DLC.
I am WMD member too, just for pcars2 and so i don't want to troll or flame.

There were 13 days between 3.0 release with all assets for DLC and today with little script updates and definition tables etc.
From time to time i think SMS has trolls inside the company.
In my company i would get a right royal dressing down. Really.:mad:

[Gordon]

But I'll leave it there as the fact remains... "On demand" it is not...

I can't disagree with you.

'on demand' means;- 'when you order it, you receive it' :D

Love all the cars though :P

[Bavarian Turbo]

oh, then we get this one as a xmas present on xb1 ;)

today is Christmas, patch is online

[Elaine The Racer]

Patch 3.0 is out on Xbox so we can hopefully get the DLC now

[Hornetvenom]

Patch 3.0 is out on Xbox so we can hopefully get the DLC now

Gimme!

[MillsLayne]

We should see it on Tuesday, I'm guessing.

One question, though, for anyone that has the DLC. How many livery schemes for the BMW TC?

[Chevi]

Well the BMW 320 TC at Oulton Park is just phenomenal. I'm never going to stop playing. Ever.

Edit: just seen there is an invitational event for the car. Bring on "August 1st"

How to unlock?

[bigsilverhotdog]

Love the pack, thanks for the new cars and for the reasonable price. More, more, MOAR! Please? :)

[ElectricBlues85]

How to unlock?

Not sure on specifics. I got the invite as soon as I opened up my career. I deleted my profile when 3.0 came out and started again so I don't think the invitational has particularly high criteria. I've only done 4 and a bit seasons.

[golfcab93]

hopefully the DLC comes in the next hours. Cant wait to give the BMW a blast

[Chevi]

Not sure on specifics. I got the invite as soon as I opened up my career. I deleted my profile when 3.0 came out and started again so I don't think the invitational has particularly high criteria. I've only done 4 and a bit seasons.

I hope that this happens not only with new save games but also with older savegames. I don` t want to see the same counting bug as with the invitationals for the 2- and 4-Teamchampionships... :uncomfortableness: neither want to start a new career

[KkDrummer]

DLC for the Xbox one will come on Sept. 1st, confirmed by SMS on Xbox forum....

[golfcab93]

obviously project cars is killing me

[Photonenbert]

wow this dlc is awesome, having a blast with all the new cars so far.
anyone else notices that this cars, especially the old ones feel/drive much better than most of the existend cars or is it just me?

I must say they feel very very good!

and I hope everybody gave the Mustang Fastback a full blast, by far my favorite sound! Thanks SMS well done :)

[baronesbc]

bought the dlc right now, every time I enter into a session, my steering wheel (G27) rotates fully to the right. great...
it only happens with the cars of the new dlc.. I did a check of the cache through Steam, but it has not solved.. solutions? ideas?

[F1Aussie]

When i use the fastback the steering is off centre, is it meant to be like that? It is fine on the 2015 stang

[Dominator52]

When will it be out for the Xbone? I just checked the store for it but I didn't see it or the free car.

[tytanfyre]

Great DLC, and nice video in the OP, looking forward to many laps in the RUF at the GREEN HELL, i hope not literally in the 'rough', gotta tame that beast.

[The__Gasman]

Which cars are in this ?

[Racer Pro]

the mustang fastback is awesome but my god this car need better break

[mkstatto]

When will it be out for the Xbone? I just checked the store for it but I didn't see it or the free car.

1 September

[The__Gasman]

So is the August free car part of the old vs new dlc?

[MrPix]

So is the August free car part of the old vs new dlc?The RUF RT 12 R is free to all that have bought Project CARS, regardless of whether you decide to buy the DLC or not, so yes, it's August's Free car :)

[Stephen Viljoen]

Hey guys, here is some detail on the career usage of the new cars.

One new invitational event:

BMW 320TC Touring Challenge - A four-round series featuring the BMW 320TC
Calendar Date – Aug 1st
Locations – Oulton Park International, Oschersleben GP, Sakitto Sprint, Imola
Unlock Criteria - Complete 28 career podium finishes

The other new cars all fall in one of these classes: Road A, Road B, Historic Touring 2, and are eligible to enter any of the relevant career series for those classes.

@Rob, please add this info to the first post for visibility.

[Sankyo]

SMS cares about their customers.
Indeed. Offering 5 cars for a price less than that of 1 car in, say, iRacing. Even if you like just one car of those five, it's a very good deal.

Probably SMS could sell single cars for $2 each, they would make more money that way. Thanks for the suggestion! :)

[CopperySinger5]

Indeed. Offering 5 cars for a price less than that of 1 car in, say, iRacing. Even if you like just one car of those five, it's a very good deal.

Probably SMS could sell single cars for $2 each, they would make more money that way. Thanks for the suggestion! :)

I disagree.

$2 Good deal
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or Good deal
216571
even this, "Good deal" $2 bucks, you won't find it cheaper anywhere else, lmfao.
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yellow bird? Imho
216573

$2 dollars per car, really? Please don't expect me to like cars like these and give me the old "Good Deal" remark, famously quoted by shady used car sales persons. I feel almost the same way about this dlc.

Just keep it the way it is but avoid including too many boring cars that will be driven only once then parked permently in the garage imo.

[The__Gasman]

I can't believe anyone isn't happy with this DLC. it's fantastic, so much fun with 4 types of car on a full grid of historic touring cars! If I could change one thing it would be to have racing liveries on the mustangs. ��

[CopperySinger5]

I can't believe anyone isn't happy with this DLC. it's fantastic, so much fun with 4 types of car on a full grid of historic touring cars! If I could change one thing it would be to have racing liveries on the mustangs. ��

I would suggest that you find what everyone likes. Where I live, there are Mustangs everywhere. Personally, I love to see super/hyper cars and high performance race cars example lmp's, gt1's. The classics in this pack have been played in previous racing games many times before, so it is hard for me to get excited to see the same cars here in a dlc pack.

note: classics I prefer Shelby Cobra, Shelby Daytona, Gullwing and similar cars.

[Dorny]

I would suggest that you find what everyone likes. Where I live, there are Mustangs everywhere. Personally, I love to see super/hyper cars and high performance race cars example lmp's, gt1's. The classics in this pack have been played in previous racing games many times before, so it is hard for me to get excited to see the same cars here in a dlc pack.

note: classics I prefer Shelby Cobra, Shelby Daytona, Gullwing and similar cars.

Then dont buy the this particular DLC then. For the price SMS are sellings these DLC packs compared to the competition it almost looks like charity, so I really struggle to understand why people are complaining about a good deal. And like any DLC if you don't like the content of the DLC then don't buy it, no need to be bitching about it.

And a heads up the Gullwing will be in a future DLC so buy that one when it comes out.

[ingrobny]

The BMW 320TC is fantastic with great sound. The only thing Project Cars need now, is a competitive car, how about Lada Vesta TC?


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[CopperySinger5]

Then dont buy the this particular DLC then. For the price SMS are sellings these DLC packs compared to the competition it almost looks like charity, so I really struggle to understand why people are complaining about a good deal. And like any DLC if you don't like the content of the DLC then don't buy it, no need to be bitching about it.

And a heads up the Gullwing will be in a future DLC so buy that one when it comes out.

Look, nobody is bitching about not buying the dlc, only you seem disturbed that these cars don't appeal to me. As long as these mediocre dlc packs keep popping up, I'll be glad to save my money. No bridges burned here.

And heads up: if in the future you sell Gullwing dlc for $2 bucks, there is a big possibility I still wont be moved by that alone, just saying.

[CCS86]

Psyched on the 2015 Mustang making an appearance (and crossing fingers that it paves the way for the new GT350R!!!)

I feel like this Mustang handles better than the Boss race car in the initial release. I'll have to do some back to back laps for time.

[Oliver Rademacher]

...really nice cars - love the old ones !!! THX!

But why i wear Audi gloves in a Porsche???!

http://up.picr.de/22959243om.jpg

[Ralph B]

Great pack for a fair price. I really love those vintage cars. They bring back old memories of my youth. Couldn't afford those dreams at thier times. but at least can drive them virtually now in pCars. Thanks for that!

However, one thing I don't understand: why it's so complicated to locate the purchase button. Had to search almost 20 minutes until finally discovered it. Why the hell the new package is not shown in the menue, where the game itself and all other so far released contend is listed? Why I can't buy it like I did for example with the Ruapuna expansion. It showed up there, when it was released. Simply had to push the "add to whishlist" or "purchase" button and was done. Not this time! For what do I have a search button for other DL-content, when the "Old VS New" package doesn't show up. Instead I have to search manually - landing on the announcement page in steam ..... and again have no purchase option! Finally found it more the less by happenstance.

Sorry, but I really don't get it, why something generally simple must lead to such an borderless odyssee. And reading this thread, I'm obviously not the only. Please next time make it as simple as it was with the previous DLC's! Thanks in advance.

[ChelseaOilman]

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”

[Pigmachine]

It were hard to please me, as I had to buy it from the web-browser in steam, as it were not available on normal steam client!?.. but had a lot of fun drifting the old mustang.

[nhraracer]

How do you guys like this camera view? I guess the game thought i had a monster truck. lol I had to exit game and come back to get proper view. lol

Edit: This was in the ctr3.

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/422564761548842243/63C1119FDD585992A61C032E7FB554C5CBA5F5A4/

[CopperySinger5]

“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”
agreed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f342eLomV3A

[Ixoye56]

Seems to be a very nice car pack, love the classics, completely to my taste, looking forward to Tuesday.

[TNTNitro]

If I buy this new DLC (Old vs New), I can use on my Xbox One?

the dlc Limited Edition and Modified Car Pack, I can't use, are uninstalling alone.

which the recommendation of SMS?

[Mahjik]

If I buy this new DLC (Old vs New), I can use on my Xbox One?

the dlc Limited Edition and Modified Car Pack, I can't use, are uninstalling alone.

which the recommendation of SMS?

Why can't you use the other DLC's?

[lacslyer]

Indeed. Offering 5 cars for a price less than that of 1 car in, say, iRacing. Even if you like just one car of those five, it's a very good deal.

Probably SMS could sell single cars for $2 each, they would make more money that way. Thanks for the suggestion! :)


This comparison to iRacing is just absurd and is really getting old. It's even worse when it comes from moderators of this forum, no offense. Comparing pCARS to iRacing by pricing alone is just ridiculous and really needs to stop.

[Sankyo]

This comparison to iRacing is just absurd and is really getting old. It's even worse when it comes from moderators of this forum, no offense. Comparing pCARS to iRacing by pricing alone is just ridiculous and really needs to stop.
But you haven't given a single argument why it's nonsense? The way I see it: computer game, DLC, price for DLC. Same for both games. What would I be missing?

[lacslyer]

But you haven't given a single argument why it's nonsense? The way I see it: computer game, DLC, price for DLC. Same for both games. What would I be missing?

Because one is an online only service that requires servers in order to operate what it provides while the other doesn't.

Comparing solely based on price alone is not only illogical but ignorant. It's like comparing a sub-based MMO to a single player RPG, they may have common features but are hardly comparable when it comes to pricing.

I was honestly surprised you need an argument because of how dissimilar these two games are financially.

[Schadows]

Unfortunately, your answer doesn't make sense. iRacing already require a periodic subscription to cover server maintenance and game evolution. Why would part of this subscription would be included in the downloadable content?

I expected to see some arguments about how refine was the model and/or physics, but I suppose even people who find iRacing better in those aspects can't justify how much difference there is (frankly it's more like pcars dlc are cheap than iracing's are expensive).

On the other hand, iRacing seems to have lead a happy life with its economic model, so they have no reason to change.

[Stevesixty7]

I have bought everything so far, to support the game. I haven't tried them all yet, far from it, the old Beemer is a blast, I can tell you that, huge fun to drive.

[TheReaper GT]

If I buy this new DLC (Old vs New), I can use on my Xbox One?

the dlc Limited Edition and Modified Car Pack, I can't use, are uninstalling alone.

which the recommendation of SMS?

They are not Uninstalling, they try to reinstall and fail. And that only happens with the limited edition and modified car packs. In both cases, go to your games folder, highlight pcars, press menu, select manage. You will see both DLCs with a fall to install message, select each, press A, reinstall. Done. It's a xbox live issue and is been investigated by sms and xbox live people.

[lacslyer]

Unfortunately, your answer doesn't make sense. iRacing already require a periodic subscription to cover server maintenance and game evolution. Why would part of this subscription would be included in the downloadable content?

I expected to see some arguments about how refine was the model and/or physics, but I suppose even people who find iRacing better in those aspects can't justify how much difference there is (frankly it's more like pcars dlc are cheap than iracing's are expensive).

On the other hand, iRacing seems to have lead a happy life with its economic model, so they have no reason to change.

That's assuming that a subscription service covers all their maintenance and further development of the game, which it likely doesn't. Hence why they charge for content on top of subscription. You likely pay for the development of the cars/tracks via purchasing them and the maintenance of the servers that run their services via the sub fee. You only think it doesn't make sense because you're assuming that a sub fee would easily cover the cost of their servers as well of the development of the game.

iRacing is a completely different game compared to the majority of other sims because you're paying for quality multiplayer above all else. If you want to compare pCARS dlc to other games at least compare it to something similar like Assetto Corsa. Bringing iRacing's fees into a conversation about the dlc costs of pCARS while ignoring other aspects is illogical because you're trying to compare things that aren't equal in terms of what they're providing.

[Stevesixty7]

They are not Uninstalling, they try to reinstall and fail. And that only happens with the limited edition and modified car packs. In both cases, go to your games folder, highlight pcars, press menu, select manage. You will see both DLCs with a fall to install message, select each, press A, reinstall. Done. It's a xbox live issue and is been investigated by sms and xbox live people.

Sounds like a nightmare to be a Xbone owner.

[TNTNitro]

They are not Uninstalling, they try to reinstall and fail. And that only happens with the limited edition and modified car packs. In both cases, go to your games folder, highlight pcars, press menu, select manage. You will see both DLCs with a fall to install message, select each, press A, reinstall. Done. It's a xbox live issue and is been investigated by sms and xbox live people.

But if they're not uninstalling alone, because I enter the game and cars in this dlc are not there in my garage?

Anyway, I have to exit the game, delete the dlc broken and install again. but they disappear again and again

[TheReaper GT]

But if they're not uninstalling alone, because I enter the game and cars in this dlc are not there in my garage?

Anyway, I have to exit the game, delete the dlc broken and install again. but they disappear again and again

That's strange, when I was having the issue, that I have not anymore, I just press A upon it and press reinstall. It's some kind of autoupdate feature that is somehow messed up.

[R74NN]

Unfortunately, your answer doesn't make sense. iRacing already require a periodic subscription to cover server maintenance and game evolution. Why would part of this subscription would be included in the downloadable content?

I expected to see some arguments about how refine was the model and/or physics, but I suppose even people who find iRacing better in those aspects can't justify how much difference there is (frankly it's more like pcars dlc are cheap than iracing's are expensive).

On the other hand, iRacing seems to have lead a happy life with its economic model, so they have no reason to change.

We have no idea what is needed to cover server maintenance and constant platform development. The two games are simply not comparable in regard of pricing. You can compare tracks and cars quality, but that's about it.

[Sankyo]

That's assuming that a subscription service covers all their maintenance and further development of the game, which it likely doesn't. Hence why they charge for content on top of subscription. You likely pay for the development of the cars/tracks via purchasing them and the maintenance of the servers that run their services via the sub fee. You only think it doesn't make sense because you're assuming that a sub fee would easily cover the cost of their servers as well of the development of the game.

iRacing is a completely different game compared to the majority of other sims because you're paying for quality multiplayer above all else. If you want to compare pCARS dlc to other games at least compare it to something similar like Assetto Corsa. Bringing iRacing's fees into a conversation about the dlc costs of pCARS while ignoring other aspects is illogical because you're trying to compare things that aren't equal in terms of what they're providing.
You're assuming a lot in there, which is hardly a justification for higher DLC prices. IMO if they cannot cover their server costs with the subscription fees alone, putting server cost coverage in DLC pricing is a risky thing to do from a business perspective as there are no guaranteed, constant sales from DLC.

Covering further development of the game from the DLC revenue is the same for pCARS, so no argument for much higher DLC pricing.

[Schadows]

If you take the monthly subscription, it brings more to them in just a few month than most of games with a more traditional economic model. So yes, I think it's safe to assume it's more than enough to manage server maintenance.

Additional content price should depend on what it cost developing, no matter the type of game it is. That's why it make sense to compare DLC pricing between those games.
But as I said, I don't really find iRacing to have too much expensive prices. Pcars are very affordable, that's all. I'd rather have SMS sell their cars and track separately (because only 1 car interested me in each last 2 DLCs), but considering the price, that was not a problem.

[lacslyer]

You're assuming a lot in there, which is hardly a justification for higher DLC prices. IMO if they cannot cover their server costs with the subscription fees alone, putting server cost coverage in DLC pricing is a risky thing to do from a business perspective as there are no guaranteed, constant sales from DLC.

Covering further development of the game from the DLC revenue is the same for pCARS, so no argument for much higher DLC pricing.

I never said they're putting server cost into the purchase of the content. I said they're putting development cost into the purchase of their content. Sub fees likely cover server costs while content fees (cars/tracks) likely cover development costs.

And again, you're overlooking an aspect that's detrimental to your comparison, which is that they have literally zero initial buy in cost for their base content outside of sub fees. So they make practically nothing - and are likely losing money - on new subscribers until those subscribers buy content.

So again I'll say, unless you're willing to look at ALL of the aspects of the comparison it's not a fair comparison in any way. There's far more to it than simply saying iRacing dlc (which isn't technically dlc since you're not making an initial purchase of a game here) is more expensive than pCARS.

[lacslyer]

If you take the monthly subscription, it brings more to them in just a few month than most of games with a more traditional economic model. So yes, I think it's safe to assume it's more than enough to manage server maintenance.

Additional content price should depend on what it cost developing, no matter the type of game it is. That's why it make sense to compare DLC pricing between those games.
But as I said, I don't really find iRacing to have too much expensive prices. Pcars are very affordable, that's all. I'd rather have SMS sell their cars and track separately (because only 1 car interested me in each last 2 DLCs), but considering the price, that was not a problem.

Where's your information on how much more they bring in compared to a game like pCARS based on sub fees alone? I'm not even sure how to discuss this because we have no information either way, but you're more willing to assume that they're gouging customers than I am which is based on my knowledge of what it costs to maintain server costs for a typical company. Even with that though, that's irrelevant when you look at what you guys are insisting on doing in comparing the two games when there's so little comparison between them to really do so fairly.

As I said to Remco, you can't compare "DLC" of iRacing to pCARS since it's not traditional DLC handled in the same manner. They don't have an initial flat charge for the game's base content like pCARS does, and instead charge a sub fee.

My entire point to this is there's far more to it than you guys are leading on and comparing the two games in the way you're attempting just isn't logical for obvious reasons. If you think iRacing is expensive that's fine, I haven't used it in months but agree that it CAN be expensive if you're not smart with your purchases. But this whole concept that you can compare the two because they're both sim racing games just doesn't work when you actually look at all the aspects with an unbiased perspective. There's so many differences that you can't simply compare costs alone.

There's just far more to it than you guys are willing to admit.

[Dorny]

Yeah you can compare

Pcars gives you 5 cars in a DLC pack for £3 and thats it (+ a free car)

Iracing gives you a car for $11.95 as well as a $49.50 yearly subscription fee. And if you don't pay that fee you don't have access to that said DLC any more.

I never understood how game companies for online services that have monthly subscription fees can have the audacity to charge for DLC content or expansion packs (world of warcraft). You use that extra content to draw more people into your subscription service or to keep people staying on your service.

Its like if Netflix started to charge you for individual films as well as the monthly charge

[CopperySinger5]

Yeah you can compare

Pcars gives you 5 cars in a DLC pack for £3 and thats it (+ a free car)

Iracing gives you a car for $11.95 as well as a $49.50 yearly subscription fee. And if you don't pay that fee you don't have access to that said DLC any more.

I never understood how game companies for online services that have monthly subscription fees can have the audacity to charge for DLC content or expansion packs (world of warcraft). You use that extra content to draw more people into your subscription service or to keep people staying on your service.

Its like if Netflix started to charge you for individual films as well as the monthly charge

Let's not forget that the games you mentioned are pc only games, were players don't have to pay anything to play online? Unlike MS and Sony, players have to pay already, we don't want to have to pay again. "Thats a Fact"

What tickles me is how they PC's come here and say " you should be happy Pcars don't charge $49 like Iracing" I say, " We pay Sony or MS $49.99 for prime membership to play online, okay." Theres no need to come on here to assume everyone is being undercharged.

And for Iracing $11 cars, I think Pcars has a smarter idea ($3.49 car packs) because they are going after a broader audience (pc,xbox and ps4).

[Dorny]

What tickles me is how they PC's come here and say " you should be happy Pcars don't charge $49 like Iracing" I say, " We pay Sony or MS $49.99 for prime membership to play online, okay." Theres no need to come on here to assume everyone is being undercharged.


That's completely different though the PSN/XboxLive subscription fee gives you services and MP for all games on that platform, and is not a singular game subscription like Iracing. Yeah Pc have it good that we don't have a platform holder that makes you pay for online services (Microsoft are trying hard to do that), but that's one of the advantages of an open platform.

Now here is a scary thought, just imagine if Iracing came to the consoles. You would have your PSN/Live fee + Iracing subscription fee + DLC cost and if either of the two previous subscriptions isn't paid you can't have access the DLC you bought or even play the game.

I personally feel that Iracing is a complete rip-off and uses a subscription fee model for a game that doesn't need it, purely to milk more money and give this feel of exclusivity and " premium service". Its not a MMORPG that has massive server costs to maintain. Its not really being kept up to date and cutting edge and they give you very little car content and charge you for additional cars and tracks.

If people like paying for that then fair dos, but for me it doesn't matter how good it is if its a complete rip off

[R74NN]

Well, the thing is iRacing offers something that no one else does for the money - competitive, structured and reasonably clean online racing. I'm not arguing if it's expensive or cheap, but currently it is only platform of this kind. And you simply can't directly compare the prices because you are buying something quite different.

And by the way, the net code of iRacing is the best out there, so technology (except the graphics for now) is very up to date.

[Lukeymonster]

Just got back from vacation and reinstalled the game to 3.0 on Xbox one. I can't find the dlc for old vs new anywhere. It's not in the Xbox store. Is it not out for Xbox yet??

[Umer Ahmad]

Not yet, sep 1st (tomorrow) or 4th (friday) i forget which

[amazed]

Not till 1st September.

^ninja'd

[Lukeymonster]

Not till 1st September.

^ninja'd
Thanks gentlemen.

[fishfash]

Hi,

The pack is now available for download on Xbox Live.

[AdM1]

Hi,

The pack is now available for download on Xbox Live.

Midnight release or are you in the UK?

[fishfash]

I am in the UK.

https://store.xbox.com/en-GB/Xbox-One/Dlc/Project-CARS-Old-Vs-New-Car-Pack/28101c25-24b5-40ea-9b2d-fb8f7771ccd2

[Schadows]

Sub fees likely cover server costs while content fees (cars/tracks) likely cover development costs.
...
And again, you're overlooking an aspect that's detrimental to your comparison, which is that they have literally zero initial buy in cost for their base content outside of sub fees. So they make practically nothing - and are likely losing money - on new subscribers until those subscribers buy content.
Please don't take it personally, this is pretty naive to think the subscription fees only cover the server maintenance. Of course part of the fees does, but the rest fund other things like the continuous development cost, and also provide profit.
This is no charity, this is business (asking for $0.50/hour for hosting a private race is the perfect example of that).

The initial "flat" charge has nothing to do with it, because the more time the player subscribe, to more they earn, and competitive games like iRacing tends to keep their subscribers for a lot of months.
And I don't have to remind you about the low amount of content in the base game (10 tracks and 6.5 cars).


you're more willing to assume that they're gouging customers than I amAgain, I never said anything like it was a rip off or something like that, I even defended their prices to some extend.
Just stating a fact, their DLC are more expensive, even considering some external facts.


There's just far more to it than you guys are willing to admit.That's funny, I was about to say the same thing u__u

I like what iRacing brought to the sim racing genre, with very competitive leagues, strict reputation system for clean races, game content you can purchase individually to suit your taste, and the best netcode / online experience you can ever experience until now.
Considering those choices aimed at hardcore sim racers, it's obvious they have less "players" that most games, hence having to sell their product a more expensive to get profits.

[AdM1]

I am in the UK.

https://store.xbox.com/en-GB/Xbox-One/Dlc/Project-CARS-Old-Vs-New-Car-Pack/28101c25-24b5-40ea-9b2d-fb8f7771ccd2

Sweet I'll get downloading then :).

[MillsLayne]

It's available in the US, too. I just bought it.

[AdM1]

I'm having trouble it was there tried paying and it failed and now its gone lol :(.

The free car appeared too but that's gone also.

Edit, appeared again and the download worked but went to get the free car and both are gone again still got the cars in the game though so happy now :).

[BlueFin175]

Both are back up as of 7:30pm EST.

[TheReaper GT]

Bought the DLC, both mustangs are awesome. Only one problem, exposure too bright in the cockpit view on both cars. Didn't test the other cars yet.

Edit: tested, all cara except the 2002 have the same problem.
Edit2: seems like the problem is with Watkins Glen

[Black_Gold_Saw]

I dont know if its the time the car was build in real life,
But the mustang 2+2 fastback, RUF Yellowbird have 0% brake duct.

So the brakes always overheat when u go fast.
Is this normal?

[nissan4ever]

Great job SMS! Just took both Mustang's for a spin. Absolutely fantastic! Reminds me of 18 yrs ago when I got my 89' GT Stang in 1997. I'm sitting here banging out gears with my Thrustmaster TH8A shifter & T3PA pedals :)

[nissan4ever]

I dont know if its the time the car was build in real life,
But the mustang 2+2 fastback, RUF Yellowbird have 0% brake duct.

So the brakes always overheat when u go fast.
Is this normal?

The 2 + 2 Mustang probably had drums all the way around for the brakes (I remember my dad's 66' Pontiac GTO having drums all the way around). That might be the reason why with the old Mustang. Seeing how it doesn't have disc brakes (I'm pretty sure they didn't).

[Ixoye56]

The RUF Yellowbird is an awesome car to wrestle with, love it...

[nhraracer]

The 2 + 2 Mustang probably had drums all the way around for the brakes (I remember my dad's 66' Pontiac GTO having drums all the way around). That might be the reason why with the old Mustang. Seeing how it doesn't have disc brakes (I'm pretty sure they didn't).

A K-Code gt would have had front disc brakes. I had one. It was part of the gt package.

[Gordon]

Brake ducts on road cars in those days -generally no.

[Poulka]

Great job SMS! Just took both Mustang's for a spin. Absolutely fantastic! Reminds me of 18 yrs ago when I got my 89' GT Stang in 1997. I'm sitting here banging out gears with my Thrustmaster TH8A shifter & T3PA pedals :)

I tell you those 89GTs are epic we have one in our family. Sister was given it brand new, I got it at 21 while in school. It's an auto but I tell you. Right now it's with my dad, he also has a 93 LX as well that's a manual.

[Poulka]

Also Nissan we are close in age I think you got me by a year or two.

[Black_Gold_Saw]

The 2 + 2 Mustang probably had drums all the way around for the brakes (I remember my dad's 66' Pontiac GTO having drums all the way around). That might be the reason why with the old Mustang. Seeing how it doesn't have disc brakes (I'm pretty sure they didn't).
Okay well i can't argue with that.

I do love driving it around nordschleife, doesnt have short hard braking zones. Atleast not so much that brakes overheat.
It has long full throttle zones.
God i love that car its so sexy.

And the yellowbird, drives so wierd. Same as the new free car RUF Rt12 both rear ends want to catch up with nose while cornering.
Havent found a setup to counter this movement. Same aa fastback, the yellowbird is sexy as hell xD

[Jezza819]

Great job SMS! Just took both Mustang's for a spin. Absolutely fantastic! Reminds me of 18 yrs ago when I got my 89' GT Stang in 1997. I'm sitting here banging out gears with my Thrustmaster TH8A shifter & T3PA pedals :)

Using Jack Spades numbers, I couldn't get either one of them to turn. I even raised the arm angle to 1500 on the fastback and it still wouldn't turn. The BMW 2002 was the same way. I haven't driven the Yellowbird yet.

When the fastback got even a little contact it wants to go up on two wheels or turn completely over. That can't be right can it?

[lacslyer]

Please don't take it personally, this is pretty naive to think the subscription fees only cover the server maintenance. Of course part of the fees does, but the rest fund other things like the continuous development cost, and also provide profit.
This is no charity, this is business (asking for $0.50/hour for hosting a private race is the perfect example of that).

The initial "flat" charge has nothing to do with it, because the more time the player subscribe, to more they earn, and competitive games like iRacing tends to keep their subscribers for a lot of months.
And I don't have to remind you about the low amount of content in the base game (10 tracks and 6.5 cars).

Again, I never said anything like it was a rip off or something like that, I even defended their prices to some extend.
Just stating a fact, their DLC are more expensive, even considering some external facts.

That's funny, I was about to say the same thing u__u

I like what iRacing brought to the sim racing genre, with very competitive leagues, strict reputation system for clean races, game content you can purchase individually to suit your taste, and the best netcode / online experience you can ever experience until now.
Considering those choices aimed at hardcore sim racers, it's obvious they have less "players" that most games, hence having to sell their product a more expensive to get profits.

I don't think it's naive to believe that sub fees are just covering server costs, especially when the majority of sub fees get so heavily discounted for the consistent players. As well, the higher cost of "dlc" suggests that it covers development costs. Yes, it's about business, but I'm not the one who keeps bringing up this ridiculous comparison of iRacing's costs to pCARS with no regard for the majority of factors in it outside of the cost of the two games.

The initial flat charge has everything to do with it when you're simply attempting to compare game costs of these two games.

You can claim low content all you want regarding the initial product available, however you're obviously excluding the sole reason people pay for iRacing, the best multiplayer system available for sim racers. Something no other sim has remotely come close to implementing. That can't simply be left out just because it's not a tangible object.

I'll leave this to a simple disagreement because of the inability for either of us to provide hard evidence of the financial side of iRacing. My point was not whether or not iRacing is more or less expensive, but that comparing these two games on player costs alone is absolutely ridiculous.

[pr1mo990]

When does this come out for PS4 in the U.S.?? I've checked every day for at least a week now, both through the Playstation Store and the OnDemand function through the game and it's the same 8 add ons that have been there since the Audi Track Expansion. What am I doing wrong here? My game is up to date with all the latest patches...

[TheReaper GT]

When does this come out for PS4 in the U.S.?? I've checked every day for at least a week now, both through the Playstation Store and the OnDemand function through the game and it's the same 8 add ons that have been there since the Audi Track Expansion. What am I doing wrong here? My game is up to date with all the latest patches...

Some times psn mess things up in the store front. You can buy dlc on the website and than download on your console.

[CopperySinger5]

Usually, I don't bother to purchase hidden DLC, unless it is very special. because if I ever had to re-download my content, that one that is not properly filed in the store would be forgotten.
217221

A Sony representative stated this issue with the un-organized content is with Bondai. But why would Bondai be responsible for their catalog? strange.

[signed8bit]

Yeah I can't see the new DLC from my PS4 but can find it on the web site if I search for "old vs new car pack". Like the PS4 is does not show up associated Project Cars on the web. Seems like a potential data entry issue.

[signed8bit]

Looks like this is fixed now in the US store.

[Bealdor]

The Steam Store is now correctly updated too: http://store.steampowered.com/app/234630/

[TECH_SMITH]

lol nice catch! maybe the driver is hinting of a new contract signing!!:wink-new:

[Mr.Smoke]

Still doesnt show the old vs new DLC for me on the console itself. Figured this woulda been fixed by now....

[ScorpionR3D]

Still doesnt show the old vs new DLC for me on the console itself. Figured this woulda been fixed by now....

It doesn't show ingame.
But when going to the playstore from the ps4 menu it comes up.
That is how I downloaded the DLC myself.

[Montana.BE]

So much about these DLCs' ... just download them, and enjoy the cars and tracks !!!

Haven't tested the RUF (it needs the Ring, and that one requires time), but the other cars are good ... but the old Mustang is not easy to drive !!!