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Yeah i was using Avast but Forza wont run with that installed so i just uninstalled that today and Defender turns itself on again when there's nothing else .
Got Crew Chief to run . Thanks , any more apps like this that will run in the background without wifi ?
DashMeter Pro. They have a version that works with both PCars and AC, and then a separate version for RaceRoom. Both require a desktop controller program (which is free). The desktop controllers work much better than the standalone apps for console. They're more accurate with less latency.
PCars Dash will also still work. I just changed the receiver setting in the App from UDP to Shared Memory.
I've got Forza Apex, but I'm not touching it until they get Fanatec wheel support. Sucks, because I want to give it a try with my new setup. One of the biggest problems I had with it when I tried it on console, was the inability to adjust the FOV. I didn't have a mounted screen back then, so I needed to bring the FOV in closer, but couldn't and it made everything too narrow/far looking.
Edit: Also, don't forget to stop and restart Crew Chief when changing games, because I don't think it switches games selection automatically. And when you use the push to talk feature. Make sure you're completely done speaking the trigger phrase, before you let go of the button. In fact, it best to keep the button pressed for a split second after you say the phrase. Otherwise, it seems to get lose the trialing speech and not recognize what was said. The great thing about the PC version is that it's updated pretty regularly--he always adding and improving things--and it has the names of all the drivers in each games, which is fantastic for R3E with real drivers. :)
Edit-2: Thought it's worth mentioning that the R3E version of DashMeter Pro is kind of window dressing. It's nice if you want a second rev meter and gauges, but R3E doesn't really use variable tire or brake temps. Its just cold and warm. So the tire temps that show in DashMeter are pretty static. They never change more than a degree or two. You can customize the views, though, so can make it display more session info, like lap times, deltas, position, etc.
Next on my list. :)
http://www.ignitioncontrols.com/PC-PS4-Button-Box-Controller-p/0ps4-na1led.htm
Has anyone tried one of these from this maker?
Roger Prynne
28-09-2016, 16:04
^ No but it looks sexy..... expensive though.
^ No but it looks sexy..... expensive though.
Yeah... the price is why I'm looking for someone that's tried it. That's one thing that sucks about this hobby, there's really no way to try hardware before you buy. :(
And I'm afraid if I get one of the smaller cheaper ones, it'll turn out to be awesome, and then I'll wish I had gotten this one...LOL :confused:
Not sure what you mean by load cell settings for the brakes. You mean the calibration?
I don't remember my exact settings but Master Gain=100, and Steering Intensity=80 or 100 (I can't remember). The slip effect is at 5%, and then road and the others around 40-50%. The Steering Rack is 0, I do know that. I then use the in-car FFB meter to adjust the force to prevent clipping. The in-car FFB is found under Vehicle Settings > Steering Settings. You have to be back at the garage/pitbox for that to show. This setting is saved to the car, not the track. So you only have to dial out the clipping once per car.
Also, when you test drive cars in the store, a lot of them will feel like crap in the corners, but it's only because their in-car FFB gain is set to the default. Unfortunately, that can't be adjusted in a test drive. I actually hesitated to buy a few cars because of that, and then later realized why they felt so numb.
I'll check my settings later and post them. Can't remember them off the top of my head. R3E is my favorite right now for race experience. I've been playing PCars mostly exclusively online. Then when I can't find any good online sessions or get tired of it, I switch to R3E for the single player. I haven't really done much online racing in R3E. The AI difficulty goes way past 100, and they play well on the grid (provided you get the difficulty within your skill range), so I'm having fun offline. The adaptive AI works okay, but I'm not sure how it adjusts itself, or if it goes past 100. With the adaptive AI, I began having to start further down the grid to make it competitive. But when I set the AI to 105, I'm barely taking pole, and often don't, and the races are pretty intense. I really have to focus now, and even small mistakes are costly.
One thing I love about R3E's AI is that the are fallible. You'll see the car in front make a mistake--catch a little too much lock up on braking, take a little too much curb, blow his corner entry and run wide--and then you can capitalize on that. So even when your struggling to close the gap, you know you've still got a shot, because anything can happen. I don't think I've ever seen the AI make a mistake in AC, and in PCars, even when they do make mistakes, it's just cosmetic/for show, because unless they actually hit something, it has little to no impact on their pace.
No the load cell has another setting for deadzone on the top. That's why I said its weird compared to most games. Usually you calibrate the pedal and how hard you pushed becomes 100% braking. Not in r3e. I checked it after sliding off the track many times because I couldn't slow down fast enough. There is another setting that it says you use for load cells towards the bottom of the settings page. You basically add deadzone from 100 down to meet up with where you calibrated it to so you get 100% braking.
That explains why the cars I tested felt different then the cars you get with it. I definitely enjoyed r3e though. I cant really say I like any one better then the other. They all offer a good experience, good physics ,good graphics just a little different spin on things. I actually played them all a little last night so many choices...:D
Next on my list. :)
http://www.ignitioncontrols.com/PC-PS4-Button-Box-Controller-p/0ps4-na1led.htm
Has anyone tried one of these from this maker?
Why yes I do! They are awesome and hes great to deal with. Just remember to order the labels when you order the box. I actually got the biggest one he makes with rotary encoders right after they came out for the consoles. Everything is well spaced and easy to use even when youre racing.
Just noticed that is the one I have in the link you posted. So yes its worth the money.
Forgot to tell you my settings transferred to pc perfectly. I haven't got to try the version 2.9 vs 3.0 thing yet thou. I do know the pc version has a better feel overall its not huge but its definitely noticeable having used both now.
No the load cell has another setting for deadzone on the top. That's why I said its weird compared to most games. Usually you calibrate the pedal and how hard you pushed becomes 100% braking. Not in r3e. I checked it after sliding off the track many times because I couldn't slow down fast enough. There is another setting that it says you use for load cells towards the bottom of the settings page. You basically add deadzone from 100 down to meet up with where you calibrated it to so you get 100% braking.
That explains why the cars I tested felt different then the cars you get with it. I definitely enjoyed r3e though. I cant really say I like any one better then the other. They all offer a good experience, good physics ,good graphics just a little different spin on things. I actually played them all a little last night so many choices...:D
I saw that setting this morning. I forgot it was there. I didn't have to use it, because I was getting 100% braking in the meter. But I think the V3 pedals are more adjustable than the TM mod.
Why yes I do! They are awesome and hes great to deal with. Just remember to order the labels when you order the box. I actually got the biggest one he makes with rotary encoders right after they came out for the consoles. Everything is well spaced and easy to use even when youre racing.
Just noticed that is the one I have in the link you posted. So yes its worth the money.
Cool! Thanks. I think I'm going to order one this weekend. I saw the labels, too and thought they'd be handy. Thanks.
Forgot to tell you my settings transferred to pc perfectly. I haven't got to try the version 2.9 vs 3.0 thing yet thou. I do know the pc version has a better feel overall its not huge but its definitely noticeable having used both now.
Mine did, too. I only ended up making a minor adjustment--lowering SG a bit, because the wheel felt a little heavier. Everything else stayed the same and feels great, better fidelity, though. :)
spacepadrille
28-09-2016, 20:10
Forgot to tell you my settings transferred to pc perfectly. I haven't got to try the version 2.9 vs 3.0 thing yet thou. I do know the pc version has a better feel overall its not huge but its definitely noticeable having used both now.
can you explain more (in a few words, I don't want to give you work) what are the things that feels better on PC than on console ?
Other thing : you and Haiden and Grimey have transferred your settings directly from console to PC, nearly 1 to 1, and it works. So why (old times) all that discussion about the PC settings that cannot be transferred to console because the behavior was different ? And what about the FFB 100 reserved to PC users ?
can you explain more (in a few words, I don't want to give you work) what are the things that feels better on PC than on console ?
Other thing : you and Haiden and Grimey have transferred your settings directly from console to PC, nearly 1 to 1, and it works. So why (old times) all that discussion about the PC settings that cannot be transferred to console because the behavior was different ? And what about the FFB 100 reserved to PC users ?
I don't recall anyone saying the settings didn't transfer. They were questioning whether or not PC players were using the driver control panels to make additional adjustments outside the game that influenced the FFB. In those cases, no, the settings wouldn't transfer 1 to 1, because consoles lacked the external controls. Personally, I was never able to comment on how the settings translated, until I actual got a PC. Like you said, they translated pretty much 1 to 1 for me.
As for the differences, with the same settings. The PC FFB simply has more dynamic range and feel more alive. The slip feel, the road texture, undulations in the track, weight transfer and vertical load are all communicated more clearly. My guess is, it's simply because FFB is calculated from physics models, and the PCs can perform more calculations and faster than consoles. The same is true for the AI. Same behavioral algorithms in PC and console. But PC AI seems more intuitive, because the calculations are happening faster.
spacepadrille
28-09-2016, 20:35
Thanks ! :-)
Ill do the ffb at 100 first. That's easy actually and I wont say it doesn't work anymore. On pc you have the thrustmaster control panel screen to set strength and the in game ffb master so it becomes redundant. Now heres where the problem comes in for us with thrustmaster wheels. Above 75 as I'm sure you've seen it becomes very nonlinear which I would guess is why thrustmaster picked that for the default setting. So when I tested it on the ps4 with turning down other things instead of the ffb master thats how it felt very nonlinear even with scoops. It got heavy really fast. Could it have been made to work with a lot more playing around? Maybe. So on the ps4 I don't think setting the ffb to 100 and turning other things down is ideal for the thrustmaster wheels. Now for the difference between pc and the ps4. Its not huge but it definitely would make you not want to go back after trying it. Its just the level of detail is a lot better even with the exact same settings. I think the grip feel is better on pc too. You don't have as much of that disconnected from the road feeling. I think bigdad summed it up best. We don't use our wheels to their fullest on consoles.
Haiden types faster.lol
Now for the difference between pc and the ps4. Its not huge but it definitely would make you not want to go back after trying it. Its just the level of detail is a lot better even with the exact same settings. I think the grip feel is better on pc too. You don't have as much of that disconnected from the road feeling. I think bigdad summed it up best. We don't use our wheels to their fullest on consoles.
Haiden types faster.lol
I totally agree with that. The differences in FFB is noticeable, but not in an OMG...you should convert just for the FFB sense. There's a lot more to the PC experience than FFB, and the value of those differences really depends on how you view sim racing. PC gives you more options overall. Whether it be mods, the variety of sims, graphics, add-ons, or hardware compatibility and options, the degree to how much better you feel PC is will varies from person to person, based on those things.
For me, it was actually the variety of sims and the hardware compatibility issues that started popping up that made me want to switch. Everything else I discovered after switching was just icing on the cake. :)
GrimeyDog
28-09-2016, 22:12
can you explain more (in a few words, I don't want to give you work) what are the things that feels better on PC than on console ?
Other thing : you and Haiden and Grimey have transferred your settings directly from console to PC, nearly 1 to 1, and it works. So why (old times) all that discussion about the PC settings that cannot be transferred to console because the behavior was different ? And what about the FFB 100 reserved to PC users ?
Because PS4 and PC are very similar and use the same FFB protocol I always thought the PS4 settings should translate to PC really well but i always stated i cant comment on PC because i didn't have Pcars for PC.
PC Pcars has a much Fuller Dynamic range of FFB feel... The FFB is Crisper/Sharper... i need to try the No scoop setting on PS4 and i will post back about the differences.
Edit: My 1 tweek for All cars works Brilliant on PC also... just like PS4 all cars use same in car settings:yes: and still using stock suspension tune:yes:
Also on My PC has a Much better sound card than the PS4!!! This means My Buttkickers work Much Much Better!!! during a thunderstorm Race you can feel the Rumble of the thunder and lightening through the but kickers but some how you never lose the Road or engine feel through them even though its all happening at the same time!!! I have them Hooked up so 1 plays left the other right and i can Clearly feel the diff between left and right impacts, curbs etc...The Buttkickers never played this Clear with PS4:no:
spacepadrille
28-09-2016, 23:41
Thanks guys, it's really useful to have your feedbacks. One more thing to add is that now on console there are really few lobbies with nice racers and full start grid. I feel alone ! :sorrow: :cool:
Thanks guys, it's really useful to have your feedbacks. One more thing to add is that now on console there are really few lobbies with nice racers and full start grid. I feel alone ! :sorrow: :cool:
Sony might be a little to blame for that one. :)
driveclub007
29-09-2016, 00:03
I see how the PC feels better But times on ps4 seem to be faster after looking at the pc lap time ladder
GrimeyDog
29-09-2016, 00:55
I see how the PC feels better But times on ps4 seem to be faster after looking at the pc lap time ladder
PS4 has more Grip in the Tires... The PC Tires cool off Much Quicker than PS4 also its Much easier to over heat your tires as well... both cases result in a loss of grip...PC requires Smoother More Precise driving than PS4
Sony might be a little to blame for that one. :)
They definitely forced my hand after thinking about what I was really getting with the new ps4. Besides the numerous other things I wished I could do or use but sony wouldn't allow.
PS4 has more Grip in the Tires... The PC Tires cool off Much Quicker than PS4 also its Much easier to over heat your tires as well... both cases result in a loss of grip...PC requires Smoother More Precise driving than PS4
Wouldn't that allow you to run slightly less air pressure and end up being faster ?
One thing I noticed last night when playing around on our favorite test track. Rab on pc has a different effect or isn't nearly as noticeable on the pc. Its almost like the ps4 version has something in the control panel on that shouldn't be. Same goes for jacks 3.0 version its different on the pc or at least different if you have a t300 wheel on ps4.:( I can run rab at .10 with no issues at all on pc.
I see how the PC feels better But times on ps4 seem to be faster after looking at the pc lap time ladder
PS4 has more Grip in the Tires... The PC Tires cool off Much Quicker than PS4 also its Much easier to over heat your tires as well... both cases result in a loss of grip...PC requires Smoother More Precise driving than PS4
Wouldn't that allow you to run slightly less air pressure and end up being faster ?
Hasn't SMS said that the physics model in all three platforms is the same? The differences in feel favor the PC, so I don't see why/how that results in slower lap times. The differences in ladder board times could just be due to less activity. Same reason there are less multiplayer servers? I honestly haven't noticed that much of a difference in my laps times. And where there is a difference, my times are usually better on PC, which I attributed to the improved FFB.
One thing I noticed last night when playing around on our favorite test track. Rab on pc has a different effect or isn't nearly as noticeable on the pc. Its almost like the ps4 version has something in the control panel on that shouldn't be. Same goes for jacks 3.0 version its different on the pc or at least different if you have a t300 wheel on ps4.:( I can run rab at .10 with no issues at all on pc.
That was always weird. You had some strange behavior with RAB. I used to play with T300, as well. But I had no issue running RAB at .08 - 0.12. In fact, I don't even think I tried anything below 0.10, until I got my CSW. Not sure what was going on with your system. :confused:
That was always weird. You had some strange behavior with RAB. I used to play with T300, as well. But I had no issue running RAB at .08 - 0.12. In fact, I don't even think I tried anything below 0.10, until I got my CSW. Not sure what was going on with your system. :confused:
Me too. It was like that for a long time which maybe is why you didn't encounter it because you switched wheels early on. Even after fresh installs it was exactly the same result. I wonder if the center spring issue on the t300 never got truly resolved because it definitely is different on pc. Even jacks 3.0 version works really well now where on ps4 it was weird with my wheel. I don't know just happy I don't have to worry about it anymore. I have full control now.:D
You asked me about the ai in r3e. I ran a race last night on indy with it set to adaptive and they are strange. It definitely wasn't my best driving with a car I don't normally use(the default car) on a track I only sort of knew. I like the fact they will spin you if youre slow coming off a corner. Yes it happened.:rolleyes: But then I recovered and beat the field by a couple seconds in the next lap and finished first. So I'm still undecided at this point. I cant put my finger on why I really like that game so much. Nothing is really over the top but its really enjoyable.
Me too. It was like that for a long time which maybe is why you didn't encounter it because you switched wheels early on. Even after fresh installs it was exactly the same result. I wonder if the center spring issue on the t300 never got truly resolved because it definitely is different on pc. Even jacks 3.0 version works really well now where on ps4 it was weird with my wheel. I don't know just happy I don't have to worry about it anymore. I have full control now.:D
You asked me about the ai in r3e. I ran a race last night on indy with it set to adaptive and they are strange. It definitely wasn't my best driving with a car I don't normally use(the default car) on a track I only sort of knew. I like the fact they will spin you if youre slow coming off a corner. Yes it happened.:rolleyes: But then I recovered and beat the field by a couple seconds in the next lap and finished first. So I'm still undecided at this point. I cant put my finger on why I really like that game so much. Nothing is really over the top but its really enjoyable.
I re-read the description yesterday, and I think the "adaptive" aspect is only updated after you complete a full race. So if you don't finish the race, or only run practice and quali, the AI isn't updated. That might one of the issues. I'll repeat a practice session sometimes, or not get a chance to play through practice, quali, and the race. So that means I'm getting better, but the AI isn't. Might be the case, I'm not sure. I'm going to go with a hard setting and run a custom championship. Then I'll re-run it with adaptive AI and see if there's a difference.
I know right!? I can't put my finger on why I like R3E so much either. There's nothing over the top about it, but something about all of the aspects just comes together really nicely. I find myself actually missing the experience when I've been playing something else for a while. Don't know why, but it's very satisfying, even more so, now that I tuned up the FFB. For a while I was playing with near default settings. I do know the sound is a big part, but I also like that the AI is fallible, and not in a crazy wipe out kind of way. They make little mistakes that you can see happening and capitalize on. Sometimes when I watch the replays, the AI's mistakes looks so human-like that if I didn't know better I'd think I was watching a multiplayer race with all human drivers. :)
GrimeyDog
29-09-2016, 13:03
Wouldn't that allow you to run slightly less air pressure and end up being faster ?
Hasn't SMS said that the physics model in all three platforms is the same? The differences in feel favor the PC, so I don't see why/how that results in slower lap times. The differences in ladder board times could just be due to less activity. Same reason there are less multiplayer servers? I honestly haven't noticed that much of a difference in my laps times. And where there is a difference, my times are usually better on PC, which I attributed to the improved FFB.
I dont Know i run Stock untuned Car suspension.
SMS Said the Tire Models are the Same... Shrugggs... I dunno... But the Tires IMO Cool off Quicker when Not Pushing the Car... But while Driving Hard i can Easily Heat the tires up to the point where Grip Loss becomes Notable and get the Greenish Red color on the Hot tire thats Scrubbing the Most...I can Drive Like a Savage on PS4 with No Regard to Tires and Never get a Tire Heat issue.
I dont Know i run Stock untuned Car suspension.
SMS Said the Tire Meodels are the Same... Shrugggs... I dunno... But the Tires IMO Cool off Quicker when Not Pushing the Car... But while Driving Hard i can Easily Heat the tires up to the point where Grip Loss becomes Notable and get the Greenish Red color on the Hot tire thats Scrubbing the Most...I can Drive Like a Savage on OS4 with No Regard to Tires and Never get a Tire Heat issue.
That makes sense. Youre probably sliding the tires so they overheat when you are driving hard. Probably time to adjust air pressures some. That way you can balance that out. More heat when not driving hard and a little more traction so youre not sliding as much when you are. I usually have to drop the pressures some myself.
I re-read the description yesterday, and I think the "adaptive" aspect is only updated after you complete a full race. So if you don't finish the race, or only run practice and quali, the AI isn't updated. That might one of the issues. I'll repeat a practice session sometimes, or not get a chance to play through practice, quali, and the race. So that means I'm getting better, but the AI isn't. Might be the case, I'm not sure. I'm going to go with a hard setting and run a custom championship. Then I'll re-run it with adaptive AI and see if there's a difference.
I know right!? I can't put my finger on why I like R3E so much either. There's nothing over the top about it, but something about all of the aspects just comes together really nicely. I find myself actually missing the experience when I've been playing something else for a while. Don't know why, but it's very satisfying, even more so, now that I tuned up the FFB. For a while I was playing with near default settings. I do know the sound is a big part, but I also like that the AI is fallible, and not in a crazy wipe out kind of way. They make little mistakes that you can see happening and capitalize on. Sometimes when I watch the replays, the AI's mistakes looks so human-like that if I didn't know better I'd think I was watching a multiplayer race with all human drivers. :)
Did you see the group 5 cars in r3e? I'm excited about that with the old 900hp corvette! Now all I need is some old trans am cars and id be really happy. Probably going to be my first car pack. I can see that game is going to make me spend a bunch of money.lol
GrimeyDog
29-09-2016, 13:40
Once i Got used to the slight Diff in tire behavior My lap times are Same and even better than on PS4 because I Now Have to Focus More on Purity of Driving Line.
Did you see the group 5 cars in r3e? I'm excited about that with the old 900hp corvette! Now all I need is some old trans am cars and id be really happy. Probably going to be my first car pack. I can see that game is going to make me spend a bunch of money.lol
I know. I just bought a few more tacks last night. And once I get a little bored with my current garage (and that may take a while....LOL), I love knowing there are a bunch of cars/classes still out there to try. I haven't gotten into the Grp5 in PCars, but I'm gonna check them out in R3E. I wasn't a huge fan of LMP2 in PCars, either, but I love them in R3E, so I'm definitely open to trying new classes. :)
GrimeyDog
29-09-2016, 15:03
Did you see the group 5 cars in r3e? I'm excited about that with the old 900hp corvette! Now all I need is some old trans am cars and id be really happy. Probably going to be my first car pack. I can see that game is going to make me spend a bunch of money.lol
Im still working on the wheel set up for R3E...I have Most of the Packs for it...i only Need 3 or 4 packs more for it...Thats why i was Getting Mad about the Anniversary update screwing R3E up!!! But All is well Now and Not 1 FPS Stutter, PC Crash or Error report since i Ripped the Anniversary update out!!! I figured out how to stop it from Coming back until i want it also:yes:...I been Racing Pcars i have to get back to R3E and finish setting up the Wheel FFB.... Let Me Know how that Grp 5 pack feels i will get it also... that 1 of the Packs i didnt get yet.
Edit: While Resetting My PC i Noticed that the Mobo Bios/Drivers Needed updating...i woulda thought they did that at time of PC build... Shrugggs.... I discovered a automatic update tool on the Mobo disk:yes: i updated them and all is well... I wonder if thats why the anniversary update didnt take well on My PC??? but i dont want to try it again until im sure the update is right... Nope if its Not Broken im Not Looking to Fix it... PC is Running Sweet Right Now:yes:
Im still working on the wheel set up for R3E...I have Most of the Packs for it...i only Need 3 or 4 packs more for it...Thats why i was Getting Mad about the Anniversary uodate screwing R3E up!!! But All is well Now and Not 1 FPS Stutter, PC Crash or Error report since i Ripped the Anniversary update out!!! I figured out how to stop it from Coming back until i want it also:yes:...I been Racing Pcars i have to get back to R3E and finish setting up the Wheel FFB.... Let Me Know how that Grp 5 pack feels i will get it also... that 1 of the Packs i didnt get yet.
That's one of the few things I don't like with the trial cars in r3e they all feel like crap. But yeah I cant wait to try an old school racecar. Stupid hp and when you cant get it to the ground make it wider so the tires fit.lol I'm sure it wont drive anywhere near as good as any of the newer racecars but ill bet its going to be fun trying to get it around a track.:D How much have you spent on r3e so far? I do like the fact you get discounts for buying more together as long as youre in the store. Plus a lot of the stuff is discounted right now.
That's one of the few things I don't like with the trial cars in r3e they all feel like crap. But yeah I cant wait to try an old school racecar. Stupid hp and when you cant get it to the ground make it wider so the tires fit.lol I'm sure it wont drive anywhere near as good as any of the newer racecars but ill bet its going to be fun trying to get it around a track.:D How much have you spent on r3e so far? I do like the fact you get discounts for buying more together as long as youre in the store. Plus a lot of the stuff is discounted right now.
Before you go into the store for test drives, go into the options and lower your Force Feedback and Steering Intensity settings. That will help prevent/reduce the clipping that's making the cars feel like crap. You have to do it in the globals for test drives, because you can't access the Car Setup in store to adjust the in-car FFB gain. It should make a big difference in the test drive feel. :)
I know. I just bought a few more tacks last night. And once I get a little bored with my current garage (and that may take a while....LOL), I love knowing there are a bunch of cars/classes still out there to try. I haven't gotten into the Grp5 in PCars, but I'm gonna check them out in R3E. I wasn't a huge fan of LMP2 in PCars, either, but I love them in R3E, so I'm definitely open to trying new classes. :)
That was probably my least favorite class. In the other games you couldnt see anything so I usually don't even try them. I always though how the hell does anybody drive these things? I at least have to see where I'm going.lol But in r3e like you said they are pretty enjoyable.
Before you go into the store for test drives, go into the options and lower your Force Feedback and Steering Intensity settings. That will help prevent/reduce the clipping that's making the cars feel like crap. You have to do it in the globals for test drives, because you can't access the Car Setup in store to adjust the in-car FFB gain. It should make a big difference in the test drive feel. :)
I just found out there is a clipping meter you can bring up on the screen too. Yay!!! Now I just have to find it in the game.
I just found out there is a clipping meter you can bring up on the screen too. Yay!!! Now I just have to find it in the game.
In the store? It might be the mapped option. You can map the HUD clipping meter to a button. If that's it, the meter is just a display. You can't adjust the gain from it.
Let me know if you do find a way to reduce it in the store. Hmmm... that being said, now I'm wondering if there's a mappable FFB gain option. If recall, there was a long list of mapping options in that screen, with a lot of obscure settings I would normally never use. :confused:
That was probably my least favorite class. In the other games you couldnt see anything so I usually don't even try them. I always though how the hell does anybody drive these things? I at least have to see where I'm going.lol But in r3e like you said they are pretty enjoyable.
The LMP1 have really tight views. But you actually do get used it, and it's quite challenging, because you have to be looking ahead for the apex, because it will eventually slide out of view. I found that setting the seat position so that you can at least see a small bit of track from the side window really helps, though. With that little smidgen of sight, you can approximate your track position really well.
Also, don't forget, with the LMP2 (or P2 in R3E) class, there are actually quite a few open wheel cars with no obstructed view. :)
Well since this has turned into a free-for-all thread, I remind you that Ubisoft is has been giving away one of their games per month, through their Uplay service (it's Steam but for Ubisoft games). This month's free game is The Crew, so I thought I'd let you know. The offer ends at the end of the month, I would assume.
Also... for those interested in Horizon 3, might want to read this. It appears the wheel support on PC is just shotty. Even wheels that are on the support list, aren't working. And when they do, the FFB is apparently terrible.
http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/turn10_postst70330p5_FH3----Currently-Supported-Wheels.aspx?=
Someone said they got the CSW-v2 to work when the base was in Xb1 mode. I have a CSL rim. I don't have Horizon 3, but I do have Apex. Might give it a shot with the CSL rim this weekend. I hate that rim, though. No quick release. Thanks Microsoft for making the only Fanatec rim without a damn quick release. If you were trying to stand out, you succeeded, but you're doing it wrong. :stupid:
Well since this has turned into a free-for-all thread, I remind you that Ubisoft is has been giving away one of their games per month, through their Uplay service (it's Steam but for Ubisoft games). This month's free game is The Crew, so I thought I'd let you know. The offer ends at the end of the month, I would assume.
Okay... I know this isn't a sim and FFB and handling are probably very arcade-like, but... Seattle to New York???? Talk about a leisure drive. :victorious: I might be downloading this tonight. :) Check out that map. Holy crap!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R0blVePxv4
spacepadrille
29-09-2016, 17:20
I'm now looking for PC components, I think I will offer this to myself for christmas, or maybe before for my birthday, or maybe tomorrow just because I want it, who knows... ;-)
If I compare Grimey's and Haiden's hardware, I can notice big differences in the choice of the CPU, the GPU and the amount of RAM. Do you both run graphic settings in PCars at their maximum with these configs ? What is the minimum requirement, not just to play (I can do that on console), but to play with a great graphic experience ?
One more question (as mac user since 1985, I'm noob on PC) : is a good gamer PC also a good workstation for video and photo stuff (my job) ?
I'm now looking for PC components, I think I will offer this to myself for christmas, or maybe before for my birthday, or maybe tomorrow just because I want it, who knows... ;-)
If I compare Grimey's and Haiden's hardware, I can notice big differences in the choice of the CPU, the GPU and the amount of RAM. Do you both run graphic settings in PCars at their maximum with these configs ? What is the minimum requirement, not just to play (I can do that on console), but to play with a great graphic experience ?
One more question (as mac user since 1985, I'm noob on PC) : is a good gamer PC also a good workstation for video and photo stuff (my job) ?
I can run Ultra at 60Hz in 4K, just fine, except for Storm Conditions, where it drops to 45-55 fps. I can also run Ultra above 60fps, but since I'm using a 4K TV, V-sync limits me to 60 fps. Other games, there's no issue at all. And, like console, some of the PCars' fps demands are due to issues with the game itself. PCars2 will most likely resolve most, if not all of those.
The reason I went with an i7 and 32GB of RAM is because I anticipated running other apps at the same time in the background--MSI Afterburner, Crew Chief, DashMeter Pro, Steam, etc. The i7 has twice as many cores as the i5, and 32GB of RAM just gives me a lot of overhead to make sure that everything I'm running loads into memory. 16GB is fine for running games, and the current standard. But if you have other things going at the same time and want to make sure you've got the room, RAM isn't too expensive, so if it's in your budget, go for it.
The benefit of more CPU cores is really for DX12 (not much difference for DX11 gaming). See the link below. DX12 can currently make use of up 6 cores, in terms of performance gains. Above that, the performance increases are pretty much level. And, like the article says, for now, quad to six cores are fine for DX11 and most of the early DX12 games coming out. But that will start to change as Devs start digging deeper into DX12's capabilities.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039552/hardware/tested-how-many-cpu-cores-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html
I'm now looking for PC components, I think I will offer this to myself for christmas, or maybe before for my birthday, or maybe tomorrow just because I want it, who knows... ;-)
If I compare Grimey's and Haiden's hardware, I can notice big differences in the choice of the CPU, the GPU and the amount of RAM. Do you both run graphic settings in PCars at their maximum with these configs ? What is the minimum requirement, not just to play (I can do that on console), but to play with a great graphic experience ?
One more question (as mac user since 1985, I'm noob on PC) : is a good gamer PC also a good workstation for video and photo stuff (my job) ?
That's why I did it.lol All those reasons. I would say yes to photo stuff and I don't see why you couldn't use it for a workstation. From what I read the only reason to go above the 1080 graphics card would be if you where doing really crazy editing.Then youre talking titan and big money. I went pretty much the same route as Haiden. It wasn't that much more for more/faster ram and a better gpu and cpu. Everything delivered to my door from amazon was 2300 dollars but I had to pay tax so it could have been cheaper if you didn't. Probably about 2200 dollars. I don't run everything at max settings because some are just a waste of processing power and don't make any real difference but all the important ones yes. I'm a noob too and its a lot easier than I expected to get up and running. Still a lot to learn thou.
One more question (as mac user since 1985, I'm noob on PC) : is a good gamer PC also a good workstation for video and photo stuff (my job) ?
I missed that part of the question. If you're doing graphic and video work, you should definitely go with the i7. The additional cores will definitely come in handy for video rendering and manipulating large graphic files. :) And the additional RAM would be a good idea, too, because those files can be quite large.
I also agree with Morpwr on the settings. I ran everything on Ultra when I first got it, just to see what it could do. But I've lowered quite a few of non essentials to high or turned things like Motion Blur off completely. The things I lowered made no difference to me visually, so I didn't see the point in consuming the resource power.
I can run Ultra at 60Hz in 4K, just fine, except for Storm Conditions, where it drops to 45-55 fps. I can also run Ultra above 60fps, but since I'm using a 4K TV, V-sync limits me to 60 fps. Other games, there's no issue at all. And, like console, some of the PCars' fps demands are due to issues with the game itself. PCars2 will most likely resolve most, if not all of those.
The reason I went with an i7 and 32GB of RAM is because I anticipated running other apps at the same time in the background--MSI Afterburner, Crew Chief, DashMeter Pro, Steam, etc. The i7 has twice as many cores as the i5, and 32GB of RAM just gives me a lot of overhead to make sure that everything I'm running loads into memory. 16GB is fine for running games, and the current standard. But if you have other things going at the same time and want to make sure you've got the room, RAM isn't too expensive, so if it's in your budget, go for it.
The benefit of more CPU cores is really for DX12 (not much difference for DX11 gaming). See the link below. DX12 can currently make use of up 6 cores, in terms of performance gains. Above that, the performance increases are pretty much level. And, like the article says, for now, quad to six cores are fine for DX11 and most of the early DX12 games coming out. But that will start to change as Devs start digging deeper into DX12's capabilities.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039552/hardware/tested-how-many-cpu-cores-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html
I looked quite a bit before deciding on the ram. There are actually a couple games right now that recommend 16gb as a minimum. Granted I wont ever play them but I'm sure none of the games are going to need less as things progress more and like you said it wasn't much of a difference in money. Id rather future proof it for at least a little while now then wish I had in the beginning.
I looked quite a bit before deciding on the ram. There are actually a couple games right now that recommend 16gb as a minimum. Granted I wont ever play them but I'm sure none of the games are going to need less as things progress more and like you said it wasn't much of a difference in money. Id rather future proof it for at least a little while now then wish I had in the beginning.
Exactly. Whatever the recommended minimum is, you'd be best to double it. If all you run are racing sims, 16GB will good for a while. If you're playing other games, then I'd consider the 16GB recommendation already a little dated. I've got two more slots for the future. :)
spacepadrille
29-09-2016, 21:08
I missed that part of the question. If you're doing graphic and video work, you should definitely go with the i7. The additional cores will definitely come in handy for video rendering and manipulating large graphic files. :) And the additional RAM would be a good idea, too, because those files can be quite large.
I also agree with Morpwr on the settings. I ran everything on Ultra when I first got it, just to see what it could do. But I've lowered quite a few of non essentials to high or turned things like Motion Blur off completely. The things I lowered made no difference to me visually, so I didn't see the point in consuming the resource power.
Thanks a lot to you and morpwr for all the precious advices. I can't put 2000+ in a game dedicated PC, but maybe I can put more in a machine who speed up my work (actually MacPro 2010 quad core 2.4Ghz 32 Go RAM GPU NVidia 980Ti) and allow me to play also. Mmmmmmm ! :rolleyes: Maybe I can run it as an Hackintosh for the work and as a PC for the game ? Apple doesn't care of the Pro market, they earn more with phones. I need to upgrade for my work... All this sounds good.
NP. You should go ahead and price it out, though. You can easily shave hundreds off by making a few swaps here and there. Given your work, the only thing you probably don't want to come down on is the processor. But you could get a GTX 1060 or 1070, instead of a 1080, a 650 power supply, 16GB of RAM, if you get a board with 4 slots (because you can always add two additional sticks later), and reasonably priced case. You'd probably be under $1400 hundred at that point.
GrimeyDog
29-09-2016, 22:03
I'm now looking for PC components, I think I will offer this to myself for christmas, or maybe before for my birthday, or maybe tomorrow just because I want it, who knows... ;-)
If I compare Grimey's and Haiden's hardware, I can notice big differences in the choice of the CPU, the GPU and the amount of RAM. Do you both run graphic settings in PCars at their maximum with these configs ? What is the minimum requirement, not just to play (I can do that on console), but to play with a great graphic experience ?
One more question (as mac user since 1985, I'm noob on PC) : is a good gamer PC also a good workstation for video and photo stuff (my job) ?
It really depends on what your going to use the PC for besides Gaming... all of them will do the same thing but more cores will do more things at 1 time and complete the task faster ...i have No prob Gaming in UHD @60FPS while Recording a video that i edit later for upload...If you can game and video edit at the same time you a Bad Mofo!!! LOL
I Can run Pcars, Dirt Rally maxed out at 60FPS any conditions...Dirt rally May be even More graphically Challenging than PCars because of all the trees,shrubs and dirt kicking up animation.
Not Really Huge diffs between Big Dad, Haiden and My PC set up... We just all went with diff models of the 10 series GPU all of them will put out UHD @60FPS just with diff levels of Graphics Detail... UHD is 3840 x 2160 but its Not just about the pixel count its about the level of Graphics Detail contained in each Pixel that Matters most...that's why you have Ultra, High, Medium ,Low settings for every resolution value... I went with i5 & 1070SLI because it would allow Me to Have All settings at Ultra/Max and maintain a Higher FPS than a i7 & 1080 single card set up can give...So its Not really as over kill for a single TV as some may say...yes i like to see that single Spec of Dirt and all of the other nuances that everything set to Ultra gives...at the end of the day its all about individual choice and yes budget too...LOL
Memory is Not expensive 16GB for $50 or $60 and it can be added at any time in 5 or less min...just snap it in and that's that.
I would say that you should carefully consider if you want to do Air vs water cooling...Its Not Really a huge diff unless your overclocking... If you plan to Overclock then yes you should go water cooling... I have No plan to Overclock yet but I'm thinking of picking up a water cooler just to have it around for when i'm ready to install it...i figure why Not...My Air cooling is working good but i have been bitten by the Over the Top PC Bug!!! LOL... They Even Sell GPU water cooling units!!!
I say that for the Few $$$ extra make sure you get a optical Drive or you will limit yourself to down loadable or flash drive content only... The Optical Drive is Not the most important part of the build but it really saved me alotta time when i had to reset my PC 2x after the windows Anniversary update debacle!!! 10min disk install VS ??? Download time from the web or unless you can get it on USB drive.
The Most important thing is get a good Full Size case!!! thats your Lifeline to Future Upgrades and Maximum Cooling Performance:yes:
https://youtu.be/ArYrvLwaBaw
Youtbe is your friend...its full of info.
GrimeyDog
29-09-2016, 22:13
Thanks a lot to you and morpwr for all the precious advices. I can't put 2000+ in a game dedicated PC, but maybe I can put more in a machine who speed up my work (actually MacPro 2010 quad core 2.4Ghz 32 Go RAM GPU NVidia 980Ti) and allow me to play also. Mmmmmmm ! :rolleyes: Maybe I can run it as an Hackintosh for the work and as a PC for the game ? Apple doesn't care of the Pro market, they earn more with phones. I need to upgrade for my work... All this sounds good.
Also you can look into a AMD build... They are much Cheaper with same or similar performance.
GrimeyDog
29-09-2016, 22:21
Well since this has turned into a free-for-all thread, I remind you that Ubisoft is has been giving away one of their games per month, through their Uplay service (it's Steam but for Ubisoft games). This month's free game is The Crew, so I thought I'd let you know. The offer ends at the end of the month, I would assume.
Im on the UBI web site Logged in but cant find the free game downloads...is this for PC or console???
Since you're doing graphic and video editing, you will want to stick with Intel chips. Trust me, do not go lower than an i7. You will regret it. If gaming was the only thing you were doing, that's be an option worth considering.
It really depends on what your going to use the PC for besides Gaming... all of them will do the same thing but more cores will do more things at 1 time and complete the task faster ...i have No prob Gaming in UHD @60FPS while Recording a video that i edit later for upload...If you can game and video edit at the same time you a Bad Mofo!!! LOL
I Can run Pcars, Dirt Rally maxed out at 60FPS any conditions...Dirt rally May be even More graphically Challenging than PCars because of all the trees,shrubs and dirt kicking up animation.
Not Really Huge diffs between Big Dad, Haiden and My PC set up... We just all went with diff models of the 10 series GPU all of them will put out UHD @60FPS just with diff levels of Graphics Detail... UHD is 3840 x 2160 but its Not just about the pixel count its about the level Graphics of Detail contained in each Pixel that Matters most that's why you have Ultra, High, Medium ,Low settings for ever resolution value... I went with i5 & 1070SLI because it would allow Me to Have All settings at Ultra/Max and maintain the Highest FPS than a i7 & 1080 single card set up...So its Not really as over kill for a single TV as some may say...yes i like to see that single Spec of Dirt and all of the other nuances that everything set to ultra gives...at the end of the day its all about individual choice and yes budget too...LOL
Memory is Not expensive 16GB for $50 or $60 and it can be added at any time in 5 or less min...just snap it in and that's that.
I would say that you should carefully consider if you want to do Air vs water cooling...Its Not Really a huge diff unless your overclocking... If you plan to Overclock then yes you should go water cooling... I have No plan to Overclock yet but I'm thinking of picking up a water cooler just to have it around for when i'm ready to install it...i figure why Not...My Air cooling is working good but i have been bitten by the Over the Top PC Bug!!! LOL... They Even Sell GPU water cooling units!!!
I say that for the Few $$$ extra make sure you get a optical Drive or you will limit yourself to down loadable or flash drive content only... The Optical Drive is Not the most important part of the build but it really saved me alotta time when i had to reset my PC 2x after the windows Anniversary update debacle!!! 10min disk install VS ??? Download time from the web or unless you can get it on USB drive.
The Most important thing is get a good Full Size case!!! thats your Lifeline to Future Upgrades and Maximum Cooling Performance:yes:
https://youtu.be/ArYrvLwaBaw
Youtbe is your friend...its full of info.
Not only that but the bigger case will cool better and is immensely easier to work on especially if you have big hands. Even with the big case some stuff is still a little tough. I like the case I got and it was pretty reasonable. I couldn't justify 2-300 dollars for a case when the money could be better spent somewhere else.
spacepadrille
29-09-2016, 22:46
Since you're doing graphic and video editing, you will want to stick with Intel chips. Trust me, do not go lower than an i7. You will regret it. If gaming was the only thing you were doing, that's be an option worth considering.
I'm ok with that, you're right. I'm excited. I'm sure it will be a pleasure to build this computer. I will take my time, as I don't really need it right now, but I like to make virtual baskets on internet :cool:
Im on the UBI web site Logged in but cant find the free game downloads...is this for PC or console???
It's right on the landing page after you login.
I'm ok with that, you're right. I'm excited. I'm sure it will be a pleasure to build this computer. I will take my time, as I don't really need it right now, but I like to make virtual baskets on internet :cool:
You sound like I did when I finally decided to do it.It was actually really easy. I know asus has some videos and there are some other good ones online showing a build. I know it helped me seeing it first. But its mostly pretty self explanatory. Everything is labeled and keyed. I had mine together in about 5 hours or so. Just a tip if you get any error codes even for a fan windows will not load. Ask me how I know. lol The fan code is common on asus boards its really easy to get it in the wrong fan plug at the top of the board because they are right next to each other. If you don't have a liquid cooler its a lot easier to see and access.
Seems most of us on here are taking the plunge into the pc world. The ps4 was a great start for a long time but I really think if you enjoy sim racing there comes a time where you out grow it. Its a big leap with the cost but the advantages far outweigh it I think. How many of us on here have started looking at all the things you can use now? Come on guys you know you've been looking.
Seems most of us on here are taking the plunge into the pc world. The ps4 was a great start for a long time but I really think if you enjoy sim racing there comes a time where you out grow it. Its a big leap with the cost but the advantages far outweigh it I think. How many of us on here have started looking at all the things you can use now? Come on guys you know you've been looking.
Started??? I was looking before I even got my PC. Actually, it one of the reasons I switched. I was tired of seeing all the cool stuff I couldn't have... LOL
I just found out there is a clipping meter you can bring up on the screen too. Yay!!! Now I just have to find it in the game.
Press m for the metre and f to change the led display on your wheel . Or just map it how you want it .
Also... for those interested in Horizon 3, might want to read this. It appears the wheel support on PC is just shotty. Even wheels that are on the support list, aren't working. And when they do, the FFB is apparently terrible.
http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/turn10_postst70330p5_FH3----Currently-Supported-Wheels.aspx?=
Someone said they got the CSW-v2 to work when the base was in Xb1 mode. I have a CSL rim. I don't have Horizon 3, but I do have Apex. Might give it a shot with the CSL rim this weekend. I hate that rim, though. No quick release. Thanks Microsoft for making the only Fanatec rim without a damn quick release. If you were trying to stand out, you succeeded, but you're doing it wrong. :stupid:
And the game crashes all the time .
GrimeyDog
30-09-2016, 00:40
Seems most of us on here are taking the plunge into the pc world. The ps4 was a great start for a long time but I really think if you enjoy sim racing there comes a time where you out grow it. Its a big leap with the cost but the advantages far outweigh it I think. How many of us on here have started looking at all the things you can use now? Come on guys you know you've been looking.
I had been looking at going PC... The Wife was asking me why i was waiting to do it because i would always talk about it... The Sony situation was a big Push for me... Then reading Big Dads & Haidens comments on how much better it was really tipped the scales...I already knew that when i went PC i was going to Go SLI build it was just about figuring what card i was going to do it with... When i researched the Current gen cards the 1070FTW was the obvious choice to me.... I did debate i5 or i7 but with the majority of reviews saying that for just gaming i5 was better i just went with that and saved a few $$$ in the process...the next gen CPU or when ever they make games that take advantage of more CPU cores i will upgrade to a more powerful CPU... so for me its Not a matter of time its a matter of when its Needed for maximum gaming performance...if that Need happens next Monday i will be upgraded by Saturday... i figure what ever i take outta the gaming PC i will use it to build a replacement for my regular PC so nothing gets wasted.... You gotta have some fun and your not taking a Dime with you so you might as well enjoy some of that hard earned $$$ while and when you can.... Not all of it but some of it;)
Thanks a lot to you and morpwr for all the precious advices. I can't put 2000+ in a game dedicated PC, but maybe I can put more in a machine who speed up my work (actually MacPro 2010 quad core 2.4Ghz 32 Go RAM GPU NVidia 980Ti) and allow me to play also. Mmmmmmm ! :rolleyes: Maybe I can run it as an Hackintosh for the work and as a PC for the game ? Apple doesn't care of the Pro market, they earn more with phones. I need to upgrade for my work... All this sounds good.
Look at my sig , it runs everything at max 4k at either 30 or 60fps depending on genre and 1080p maxed at whatever you want all for $1400 aud ($1000 us) and can have multiple tasks running no problem . I always have MSI Afterburner , GPU-Z , CPU-Z and Task Manager running and now Crew Chief .
I feel the trick to get the fps you want is to lower shadows to medium (actually looks natural) an reduce AF (can't even notice) . Even at 4k there can still be aliasing (can't stand it) so i need to leave this at max at all times but maybe lower grass details . With settings like this the picture looks fantastic and you can maintain high fps . At 1080p just leaving everything at max maintains the high fps but i still will lower shadows because it looks more natural .
GrimeyDog
30-09-2016, 01:03
I multi task all the time No problem...I was Playing PCars while the crew was downloading also using Afterburner app Not 1 FPS was lost:yes:
I just been setting times with random Cars on watkins short killing time... gonna do 1 track a week... Laguna Seca is next.
DX12 is still new and the games can already take advantage of up to six cores. It won't be long before they're using eight.
Doesn't matter, though, because for what he's using it for. He should definitely get an eight core CPU. Graphics and video editors can already take advantage of them.
DX12 is still new and the games can already take advantage of up to six cores. It won't be long before they're using eight.
Doesn't matter, though, because for what he's using it for. He should definitely get an eight core CPU. Graphics and video editors can already take advantage of them.
Games need to be built from the ground up to fully use DX12 and there has only been 1 so far . So for games to fully use DX12 it will still be a few years . So i5 is completely fine for gamig but if your looking for DX12 performance go with AMD because alredy for games that do use the form of DX12 that out now the RX480 will match the GTX 1070 .
For tasks other than gaming (video rendering and so on) yeah grab a i7 and get a RX480 for DX12 .
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039552/hardware/tested-how-many-cpu-cores-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html
Games need to be built from the ground up to fully use DX12 and there has only been 1 so far . So for games to fully use DX12 it will still be a few years . So i5 is completely fine for gamig but if your looking for DX12 performance go with AMD because alredy for games that do use the form of DX12 that out now the RX480 will match the GTX 1070 .
For tasks other than gaming (video rendering and so on) yeah grab a i7 and get a RX480 for DX12 .
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039552/hardware/tested-how-many-cpu-cores-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html
Sorry. They are not years out. This is from the same article.
"I’d say for the vast majority of gamers, the sweet spot lies somewhere between a quad-core with Hyper-Threading and a six-core on the Intel side of the aisle. A Skylake Core i5-6600K will be fine for DirectX 11 games and probably the vast majority of the early DirectX 12 games, but the lack of Hyper-Threading will eventually hurt."
An i5 only has 4 cores. So, even though games aren't fully utilizing DX12, the early ones will still use 6 of the i7s 8 cores.
Edit: I'm not trying to debate. I'm happy with what I have, and I know why I bought it. If you're happy with yours, great. :) And, like I said... For the person that asked. The i7 is the better choice.
Also, here's a list of some current and upcoming DX12 titles. Upcoming, as in this year. He's even testing a DX12 game in the article and it's using all 8 cores. It was a beta in the article, but I think it's already out. Look at the frame rate for the 8 core run, even without hyper threading it's way above the 4 core CPU.
On another note. What's up with The Crew? I downloaded it, but when I start it, it plays The Crew: Wild Run instead.
GrimeyDog
30-09-2016, 03:05
Games need to be built from the ground up to fully use DX12 and there has only been 1 so far . So for games to fully use DX12 it will still be a few years . So i5 is completely fine for gamig but if your looking for DX12 performance go with AMD because alredy for games that do use the form of DX12 that out now the RX480 will match the GTX 1070 .
For tasks other than gaming (video rendering and so on) yeah grab a i7 and get a RX480 for DX12 .
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039552/hardware/tested-how-many-cpu-cores-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html
Exactly by the time the i5 is hurting and cant keep up there will be a new gen of CPU's out and every 1 will be running to get 1...at least i know i will...you get 3 Good years out of New tec then to really be on top you need to upgrade. i5 6600k has at least 2 or 3 strong years left in it especially because of the built in OC from 3.5 to 4.1!!! and then you can still beef it up more to 4.5 and run stable.
i7 only serves you better for multi tasking as far as speed is concerned the i5 will do all the multi tasking the i7 can do but it will do it at a slower pace... so if your using it for home use then all should be fine even if it takes a Few minutes more... its not like were talking about days here...lets say even on a huge huge home video project how much longer will it really take 10min?? 20min???
For me i5 is def the right choice to get the door open spend the extra cash on a better GPU to get going... then worry about upgrading when upgrading is needed....take a look in the PC thread... Look at the PC specs that some list in their signature to get a good idea of what works... theres alotta old tec still working really good and people are happy and not rushing to upgrade... the GTX 900 line up launched in 2014 and its still going strong!!! they wont faze out until Dx12 kicks in Fully and that wont be anytime soon...maybe 2018 hope fully.
Exactly by the time the i5 is hurting and cant keep up there will be a new gen of CPU's out and every 1 will be running to get 1...at least i know i will...you get 3 Good years out of New tec then to really be on top you need to upgrade. i5 6600k has at least 2 or 3 strong years left in it especially because of the built in OC from 3.5 to 4.1!!! and then you can still beef it up more to 4.5 and run stable.
i7 only serves you better for multi tasking as far as speed is concerned the i5 will do all the multi tasking the i7 can do but it will do it at a slower pace... so if your using it for home use then all should be fine even if it takes a Few minutes more... its not like were talking about days here...lets say even on a huge huge home video project how much longer will it really take 10min?? 20min???
For me i5 is def the right choice to get the door open spend the extra cash on a better GPU to get going... then worry about upgrading when upgrading is needed....take a look in the PC thread... Look at the PC specs that some list in their signature to get a good idea of what works... theres alotta old tec still working really good and people are happy and not rushing to upgrade... the GTX line up launched in 2014 and its still going strong!!! they wont faze out until Dx12 kicks in Fully and that wont be anytime soon...maybe 2018 hope fully.
It's almost like you didn't even read the article. Because it clearly shows the game can utilize 6 to 8 cores, which is 2 to 4 more than the i5 has. And the fps difference is substantial, like 30 fps more. 50 fps more compared to four cores without hyper threading. And that game came out in March. Six months ago. More have come out since, and more are coming out in the next few months.
But believe whatever you want. The facts in front of you obviously don't matter. You don't think it's faster, even though the test shows it. And for some reason you think DX12 games are years away, even though there a list clearly showing games released this year and coming in the next few months (not to mention the fact that you just download one a few weeks ago--Forza Apex). So what's the point of discussing it? The clouds are obviously a different color in your world and in that world an i5 and and i7 are the same animal. :dejection:
Edit: If you're happy with your i5, fine. No one is saying it's a bad choice. It's a great CPU. But please stop saying thing that aren't correct. Someone says they want to do graphic and video editing, and you say, "You can check out AMD."
And then there's this, "UHD is 3840 x 2160 but its Not just about the pixel count its about the level of Graphics Detail contained in each Pixel that Matters most." WHAT???? A pixel is the smallest level of detail. Images are made of pixels. What are you talking about??? It's like technical gibberish, and it makes my head hurt, trying to decipher that nonsense. :sorrow:
Or my absolute favorite... your countless post about your research and reasoning for SLI, because you were so interested in VR, and didn't care for triple screens. How many times did you mention your VR plans for SLI? And then finally, Rosko let you know that SLI doesn't work with VR, and then crickets (personally, I think he should have let that go on for a bit longer. It was kind of amazing.). Then a couple weeks later you're suddenly thinking about getting triple monitors. :rolleyes: So, yeah... tell me again about your research and strategic upgrade paths. I'm all ears. :eagerness:
It's almost like you didn't even read the article. Because it clearly shows the game can utilize 6 to 8 cores, which is 2 to 4 more than the i5 has. And the fps difference is substantial, like 30 fps more. 50 fps more compared to four cores without hyper threading. And that game came out in March. Six months ago. More have come out since, and more are coming out in the next few months.
But believe whatever you want. The facts in front of you obviously don't matter. You don't think it's faster, even though the test shows it. And for some reason you think DX12 games are years away, even though there a list clearly showing games released this year and coming in the next few months (not to mention the fact that you just download one a few weeks ago--Forza Apex). So what's the point of discussing it? The clouds are obviously a different color in your world and in that world an i5 and and i7 are the same animal. :dejection:
Edit: If you're happy with your i5, fine. No one is saying it's a bad choice. It's a great CPU. But please stop saying thing that aren't correct. Someone says they want to do graphic and video editing, and you say, "You can check out AMD."
And then there's this, "UHD is 3840 x 2160 but its Not just about the pixel count its about the level of Graphics Detail contained in each Pixel that Matters most." WHAT???? A pixel is the smallest level of detail. Images are made of pixels. What are you talking about??? It's like technical gibberish, and it makes my head hurt, trying to decipher that nonsense. :sorrow:
Or my absolute favorite... your countless post about your research and reasoning for SLI, because you were so interested in VR, and didn't care for triple screens. How many times did you mention your VR plans for SLI? And then finally, Rosko let you know that SLI doesn't work with VR, and then crickets (personally, I think he should have let that go on for a bit longer. It was kind of amazing.). Then a couple weeks later you're suddenly thinking about getting triple monitors. :rolleyes: So, yeah... tell me again about your research and strategic upgrade paths. I'm all ears. :eagerness:
Okay . Wow !
There has been one game developed from the ground up for DX12 , Ashes of Singularity . Nothing else .
The technology Didn't exist 2 years ago and most AAA games take 3-5 years to develop. So yes DX12 games that take advantage of it Will be years away .
gotdirt410sprintcar
30-09-2016, 03:51
What is this haiden and grimey round ? Lol play nice grimey has been drinking again lol idk it all works out at the end page 608. Love all the great stuff you can learn here peace
Okay . Wow !
There has been one game developed from the ground up for DX12 , Ashes of Singularity . Nothing else .
The technology Didn't exist 2 years ago and most AAA games take 3-5 years to develop. So yes DX12 games that take advantage of it Will be years away .
It doesn't matter if it was developed from the ground up. That would make it better, but even if it wasn't, the game can still take advantage of DX12.
Also, DX12 may have just been released, but it's been in developer hands for quite some time and they have been working with it. So no, games aren't years out. They are adding support to them right now. That's the list in the link I shared. And more are coming.
Taken from the article that you posted.
"Ashes of the Singularity is probably a best-case scenario for DirectX 12. It’s been in development for a long time, with much thought put into supporting all the goodness of the CPU cores in today’s PCs."
They don't release new tech to developers and the public at the same time. Devs get it ahead of time, way ahead, so they can start working with it, and also help iron out the kinks. We are not years out. DX12 development started a long time ago. Some studios have been developing titles (from the ground up) for it, and they will be ready to release soon.
Will these first games fully max the potential? No. But they will use it, and that usage will get deeper and deeper. Next year we'll see more of them. IDK about you, but I wouldn't want to upgrade CPUs less than a year later. That's one of the reasons I got the i7 now. I don't think we're years off. But we're all entitled to our opinions. Time will tell.
I don't even know why this conversation started. Someone asked about PC specs, and for his purposes and i7 was a good fit. If you don't want or need or think and i7 is worth it, then fine. We were talking about that person build, no problems, no debate. He even said, the i7 was better for his needs. Then Grimey starts with the i5 is better for gaming than an i7 crap, which is complete BS. Whether you think you need it or not, it's not any worse than an i5. Call it overkill if you want, but it's not better. The same way SLI for 60 Hz gaming is overkill to me. But I wouldn't say the SLI is worse than a single, because that would just be stupid. Toss in the BS about the level of detail inside the pixels, and you just got a cluster of pointless f'kery. Just like SLI being great for VR. Excuse me, but I just don't understand how that kind of pollution goes on in a thread that's supposed to be helping people. I typically don't care, which is why I let the VR/SLI nonsense go. But when people are talking about spending money, I would prefer they get good information.
GrimeyDog
30-09-2016, 04:07
Okay . Wow !
There has been one game developed from the ground up for DX12 , Ashes of Singularity . Nothing else .
The technology Didn't exist 2 years ago and most AAA games take 3-5 years to develop. So yes DX12 games that take advantage of it Will be years away .
Its his regular Pattern Big dad... Im Not feeding into it...Nope...Im sure you and every 1 see's it...just back track the thread you see it every few pages or post:strawberry:
i just tap dance around it:yes: I have no clue what "its" fixation is with Me but I'm straight and I'm happy with My equipment & Choices...you would think I'm the only 1 with a i5 and SLI:confused:... Shrugggs... Take Note i responded to Your Post Big dad and look who it come Prancing for....I dunno bruh... Its "its" pattern the thread is full of it every 1 see's it. I don't even bother to feed into "its" Prancing and Shade throwing:no: I just sips My tea:yes: and watch "it" Prancing like You betta work it:p LMAO!!!
Its his regular Pattern Big dad... Im Not feeding into it...Nope...Im sure you and every 1 see's it...just back track the thread you see it every few pages or post:strawberry:
i just tap dance around it:yes: I have no clue what "its" fixation is with Me but I'm straight and I'm happy with My equipment & Choices...you would think I'm the only 1 with a i5 and SLI:confused:... Shrugggs... Take Note i responded to Your Post Big dad and look who it come Prancing for....I dunno bruh... Its "its" pattern the thread is full of it every 1 see's it. I don't even bother to feed into "its" Prancing and Shade throwing:no: I just sips My tea:yes: and watch "it" Prancing like You betta work it:p LMAO!!!
Yeah... I'm the one talking out of his arse. And you're always the angel. Go do some more research.
GrimeyDog
30-09-2016, 04:20
What is this haiden and grimey round ? Lol play nice grimey has been drinking again lol idk it all works out at the end page 608. Love all the great stuff you can learn here peace
I have Nothing to do with this dude... "it" just feels like Prancing around again so i just sips my tea...while "it" throws shade and trys to work it....Its all here read the last few pages i don't know what got it sooo riled up but hey it is what it is:strawberry:
Take note you cant find any post where i Go after it... but it always come for Me... I don't understand the fixation but I'm Straight and i just don't feed into it..... I mean just read and track the thread you see it... You All See it i know you do!!! But Why Me??? Why Me??? Noooooo:dejection:
I have Nothing to do with this dude... "it" just feels like Prancing around again so i just sips my tea...while "it" throws shade and trys to work it....Its all here read the last few pages i don't know what got it sooo riled up but hey it is what it is:strawberry:
Take note you cant find any post where i Go after it... but it always come for Me... I don't understand the fixation but I'm Straight and i just don't feed into it..... I mean just read and track the thread you see it... You All See it i know you do!!! But Why Me??? Why Me??? Noooooo:dejection:
There is no fixation. I just don't like you, because you talk out of you arse, and I have a very low tolerance for BS.
But you know what? You're absolutely right. I really shouldn't waste my time on people like you. And I won't anymore. So have it.
Quote says:
But when people are talking about spending money, I would prefer they get good information.[/QUOTE]
And this is what i was saying about DX12 and AMD.
AMD just performs better than nVidia, i just assumed you would know that with all your pc knowledge.
GrimeyDog
30-09-2016, 06:38
There is no fixation. I just don't like you, because you talk out of you arse, and I have a very low tolerance for BS.
But you know what? You're absolutely right. I really shouldn't waste my time on people like you. And I won't anymore. So have it.
Yes.
Exactly...Feel Free to Leave when ever you Like... There are Many who inbox Me that they Just dont and will Not post Because they dont want to Get you Started Prancing around again...Yes Really... Good Luck Start your own thread even im Sure your 17,000 Face Book Fan Club Followers will Leave with you and this thread will die off without you...Its been a Helluva Prance... See ya Good Luck your Life will be better off without Me.
Sorry for the interuption folks Now Back to FFB, PC & PS4 talk!!! Feels Great Not to have to worry about Him Prancing over every Comment...What ever Happend to Respect Free will and to Each their own.
I think he's Arnie "He'll be back"
That's enough now guys. Put the handbags away please. Take your personal differences to PM if you must.
Press m for the metre and f to change the led display on your wheel . Or just map it how you want it .
Figured it out last night but thanks. I'm starting to think the pcars wasn't that bad to setup or it could just be I spent a year doing it so all of it makes more sense now.lol
GrimeyDog
30-09-2016, 11:32
Figured it out last night but thanks. I'm starting to think the pcars wasn't that bad to setup or it could just be I spent a year doing it so all of it makes more sense now.lol
Which Game is this??? R3E or AC.... Ac Button Mapping is just a Mess... I cant even find a way to Map Pause to the wheel??? Can you actually Map the Pause/Menu Button to the wheel in AC??? I always have to Reach up and push ESC to pause.... Other than that AC the FFB is pretty Good right out the box once you set the right FFB level.
R3E the Button Mapping is Better but im Still Sorting through the FFB settings to get it to Feel right... I was almost there but Lost it when i had to Reset everything... I havent had a Good Go at it since the Last Reset... I went back to Pcars FFB for a bit to Re-discover New Feel because The No Scoops Feel on PC was sooo Good... i was done with the FFB tweeking It had Been a Long time since i tested and played with Scoops... I use all the same settings except i Reduced from TF 75 to TF 65 to compensate for the extra power No Scoops adds.... For Me No Scoops feel is Really the Icing on the Cake!!!
Figured it out last night but thanks. I'm starting to think the pcars wasn't that bad to setup or it could just be I spent a year doing it so all of it makes more sense now.lol
More the latter i think.
Which Game is this??? R3E or AC.... Ac Button Mapping is just a Mess... I cant even find a way to Map Pause to the wheel??? Can you actually Map the Pause/Menu Button to the wheel in AC??? I always have to Reach up and push ESC to pause.... Other than that AC the FFB is pretty Good right out the box once you set the right FFB level.
R3E the Button Mapping is Better but im Still Sorting through the FFB settings to get it to Feel right... I was almost there but Lost it when i had to Reset everything... I havent had a Good Go at it since the Last Reset... I went back to Pcars FFB for a bit to Re-discover New Feel because The No Scoops Feel on PC was sooo Good... i was done with the FFB tweeking It had Been a Long time since i tested and played with Scoops... I use all the same settings except i Reduced from TF to TF 65 to compensate for the extra power No Scoops adds.... For Me No Scoops feel is Really the Icing on the Cake!!!
R3e . But I haven't figured out another way other then esc in ac either. The ffb in ac doesn't need much tweaking which is really nice. Now if I could figure out how to adjust the in car gain in r3e without backing out id be happy. Maybe in practice? I just jumped right into a race last night with the group 5 cars. They drove exactly like I expected:D. Old motor tech so the motor comes on hard(900hp) and quick with old tires and handling its sort of get it pointed in the direction you want to go and floor it to the next corner. The replay was actually pretty cool watching the ai pedal off the corners trying to get traction just like I was. Definitely be running those some more this weekend.
Quote says:
But when people are talking about spending money, I would prefer they get good information.
And this is what i was saying about DX12 and AMD.
AMD just performs better than nVidia, i just assumed you would know that with all your pc knowledge.[/QUOTE]
I do. And I'm also familiar with issues AMD has. But whatever. Buy one if you want.
Figured it out last night but thanks. I'm starting to think the pcars wasn't that bad to setup or it could just be I spent a year doing it so all of it makes more sense now.lol
But it's just the meter right? You can't make any adjustments in the store, or can you?
R3e . But I haven't figured out another way other then esc in ac either. The ffb in ac doesn't need much tweaking which is really nice. Now if I could figure out how to adjust the in car gain in r3e without backing out id be happy. Maybe in practice? I just jumped right into a race last night with the group 5 cars. They drove exactly like I expected:D. Old motor tech so the motor comes on hard(900hp) and quick with old tires and handling its sort of get it pointed in the direction you want to go and floor it to the next corner. The replay was actually pretty cool watching the ai pedal off the corners trying to get traction just like I was. Definitely be running those some more this weekend.
You just have to go back to the garage/pitbox. The Car Setup option only appears when you're in the garage. There's a sub option in there called Steering Settings. The in-car gain is there.
But it's just the meter right? You can't make any adjustments in the store, or can you?
I don't know yet. Right now its just the meter I have mapped to a button on the wheel.
You just have to go back to the garage/pitbox. The Car Setup option only appears when you're in the garage. There's a sub option in there called Steering Settings. The in-car gain is there.
I found that but I don't think once you start an actual race you can get there anymore. I had to restart the race to get it. The Monza i was using had the gain set way too high so it took a couple of adjustments. You should try the group 5 cars they are FUN! What a handful to drive just like i guessed. One mistake on the gas or pick the wrong gear and its sideways. The adaptive ai seemed better in that one i still turned faster laps sucking horribly but it was close and i didn't win. It was funny watching the ai take each other out. They had just as much trouble getting off a corner clean as i did.
I found that but I don't think once you start an actual race you can get there anymore. I had to restart the race to get it. The Monza i was using had the gain set way too high so it took a couple of adjustments.
No, not during a race, because you can't get back to the garage. I always run races with a quali or practice session, especially on tracks where I haven't driven a car much. You can always end the session early and jump straight to the race, but at least you'll have the opportunity to run a few laps and make sure you're setup is good.
No, not during a race, because you can't get back to the garage. I always run races with a quali or practice session, especially on tracks where I haven't driven a car much. You can always end the session early and jump straight to the race, but at least you'll have the opportunity to run a few laps and make sure you're setup is good.
I usually just jump in and see what i can get out of it. I probably should start doing a few practice laps though especially on tracks i don't know.
And this is what i was saying about DX12 and AMD.
AMD just performs better than nVidia, i just assumed you would know that with all your pc knowledge.
I do. And I'm also familiar with issues AMD has. But whatever. Buy one if you want.[/QUOTE]
Welcome back , We missed you !
Nothing is without problems .
I'm actually really liking my GTX 1060 / i5 combo although i did turn on my ps4 today . It still has a pretty good Blu ray player ;)
That is another thing Sony missed the mark on with the ps4 pro , no UHD Blu ray player . More of my money going to microsoft i guess . xBox One s has UHD Blu ray and its my birthday on Wednesday .
Welcome back , We missed you !
Nothing is without problems .
I'm actually really liking my GTX 1060 / i5 combo although i did turn on my ps4 today . It still has a pretty good Blu ray player ;)
That is another thing Sony missed the mark on with the ps4 pro , no UHD Blu ray player . More of my money going to microsoft i guess . xBox One s has UHD Blu ray and its my birthday on Wednesday .
Nope. Problems are always there. But of course, pairing an AMD CPU with an AMD GPU, is probably the optimal config.
LOL... I think you misunderstood, because of a typo/missing word. I wasn't going anywhere. Just done with certain things.
I'm not surprised you like it. It's a good setup. There's nothing wrong with it at all. And nothing I said was meant as criticism of it. :)
Funny, because when I bought my receiver a couple years ago, I was reconnecting everything and went to connect the Blueray player, and thought: Wait...why? The Xb1 runs Blueray and also handles Netflix and other streaming apps better than the SmartTV versions. I'm not sure how much console gaming I will do now that I've got the PC, but there are still a few genres and titles that are well suited for kicking back on the couch. And then there developers like Ubisoft that refuse to use Steam, but can't seem to get PC game distribution right on their own. I downloaded their free The Crew offer, and all it does is play The Crew: Wild Run, which doesn't seem to have full wheel support. Went to the website and found a lot of PC players complaining about the same thing, with complaints going back to 2015...LOL.
Anyway, I need to keep at least one console, and that's definitely the Xb1, because, IMO, it's a better overall home entertainment package than the PS4.
To those that rushed to download The Crew... I am really sorry guys, i didn't know... I didn't know...!!! I played 20mins and I just couldn't bare it anymore. Hey at least it was free.
spacepadrille
30-09-2016, 16:31
To those that rushed to download The Crew... I am really sorry guys, i didn't know... I didn't know...!!! I played 20mins and I just couldn't bare it anymore. Hey at least it was free.
My kid of 10 start to be bored with the Crew because of "non realistic behavior of the car" ;-)
My kid of 10 start to be bored with the Crew because of "non realistic behavior of the car" ;-)
That's says it all right there.lol
GrimeyDog
30-09-2016, 19:27
First id like to say thanks to Morpwr You were a huge inspiration that you just up and built your own PC!!!
with that in mind i decided to Install Liquid cooler in My PC today and 16GB more RAM... The PC was running Fine but i just figured hell with it why not... I'm also a Auto Mechanic by trade so its just in my nature to work with my hands and figure stuff out... You were right This PC stuff is not as hard as it appears to be... The RAM is just Plug and play the water Cooling wasn't hard either i just tend not to mess with small fragile parts i have mechanic hands that grip Like a vice... Not for small fragile objects at All!!!
But in any even Nope its far from a total PC build but Im Now confidant that if i take my time i can build a PC too!!!
Yup the Dog is now part of the Liquid cooled 32GB RAM Club also:yes: LOL!!!
Now that the Liquid cooler is In if i ever decide to change the CPU its like a 30min Job Tops!!!
PC is up and running!!! so far i notice a 7 degree CPU temp drop... it ran at 48C with the fan cooling its bouncing between 40 and 46 now...im just letting valley bench mark run for a biy to see how it goes.
Valley benchmark is free on steam it puts your PC through the paces and gives you a score to rate it by. they have a free Resident evil bench mark tool also.
First id like to say thanks to Morpwr You were a huge inspiration that you just up and built your own PC!!!
with that in mind i decided to Install Liquid cooler in My PC today and 16GB more RAM... The PC was running Fine but i just figured hell with it why not... I'm also a Auto Mechanic by trade so its just in my nature to work with my hands and figure stuff out... You were right This PC stuff is not as hard as it appears to be... The RAM is just Plug and play the water Cooling wasn't hard either i just tend not to mess with small fragile parts i have mechanic hands that grip Like a vice... Not for small fragile objects at All!!!
But in any even Nope its far from a total PC build but Im Now confidant that if i take my time i can build a PC too!!!
Yup the Dog is now part of the Liquid cooled 32GB RAM Club also:yes: LOL!!!
Now that the Liquid cooler is In if i ever decide to change the CPU its like a 30min Job Tops!!!
PC is up and running!!! so far i notice a 7 degree CPU temp drop... it ran at 48C with the fan cooling its bouncing between 40 and 46 now...im just letting valley bench mark run for a biy to see how it goes.
Valley benchmark is free on steam it puts your PC through the paces and gives you a score to rate it by. they have a free Resident evil bench mark tool also.
I do the same thing for a living so I get the hands thing. Plus I'm 6'4 so you can guees my hands aren't small. But I figured if I can build a car from nothing how hard can a pc be.lol The worst part was the small plugs everything else was easy. You really cant screw it up if you take your time and follow the guide that comes with the motherboard. You cant put anything in the wrong spot because it wont fit. Well maybe if you try hard enough. You should be able to go into the bios and change the fan speeds. Mine are so quiet I just turned them up to the next setting. Where are your fans for the liquid cooler? If its like mine they need to go on first. Is that how whoever built the computer left the cables? One other thing did they give you the thermal paste to put between the cpu and cooler? It needs to be there.
I wasn't picking on your computer but most of the cases give you a spot to hide all the cables on the side you don't see. Sort of the point to the open case. Neatness counts but could be my ocd kicking in.:p
GrimeyDog
30-09-2016, 20:44
I do the same thing for a living so I get the hands thing. Plus I'm 6'4 so you can guees my hands aren't small. But I figured if I can build a car from nothing how hard can a pc be.lol The worst part was the small plugs everything else was easy. You really cant screw it up if you take your time and follow the guide that comes with the motherboard. You cant put anything in the wrong spot because it wont fit. Well maybe if you try hard enough. You should be able to go into the bios and change the fan speeds. Mine are so quiet I just turned them up to the next setting. Where are your fans for the liquid cooler? If its like mine they need to go on first. Is that how whoever built the computer left the cables? One other thing did they give you the thermal paste to put between the cpu and cooler? It needs to be there.
I wasn't picking on your computer but most of the cases give you a spot to hide all the cables on the side you don't see. Sort of the point to the open case. Neatness counts but could be my ocd kicking in.:p
It was a micro center Build... Yup thermo paste:yes: I guess they did ok with cable management but Not Super Neat... Now that im Not Scared to put My hands in it i will neaten it up a bit when i have time...The rest of the day is play time....My Fans are quiet also... I went with the Single 140mm fan and radiator I didnt want to mount it to the Roof of the PC case... I want to keep the Top magnetic cover on to keep ay debree from Falling in there.
You should be able to just open up the back and pull the cables through. Then retie them. I'm surprised they didn't use the Velcro straps. Mine came with a bunch of them for the cables. If you want to get some most craft stores have them with the Velcro stuff. I'm sure you know from cars just don't pull the wires tight were they come off the boards or plug into something. Isnt the top cover a fine mesh on yours? That should work fine as long as air can flow through it. If you have yours blowing out it isn't supposed to work as good as pulling air through it. That's what my instructions said anyways. Probably like a car fan. It can spin either way but puller fan always flow more air.
GrimeyDog
30-09-2016, 23:11
You should be able to just open up the back and pull the cables through. Then retie them. I'm surprised they didn't use the Velcro straps. Mine came with a bunch of them for the cables. If you want to get some most craft stores have them with the Velcro stuff. I'm sure you know from cars just don't pull the wires tight were they come off the boards or plug into something. Isnt the top cover a fine mesh on yours? That should work fine as long as air can flow through it. If you have yours blowing out it isn't supposed to work as good as pulling air through it. That's what my instructions said anyways. Probably like a car fan. It can spin either way but puller fan always flow more air.
I definitely can see where there could be better wire management:yes: I will make that my next Project i will do it when i install the Led lighting inside the case.
yup you guessed it i have been bitten by the PC Bug:encouragement: I also plan to intal a digital readout in 1 of the front bats so i can just Glance at the PC and know the Case temp, CPU temp etc.
My top has a magnetic plate and under that plate are spots i can Mount 3 more 140mm fans but i would have to leave the Top Off so the air can pass through...
Have you downloaded the vally Bench mark tool from steam??? Its a Good tool to use... Also Very Pretty to watch...LOL I can sit down and have a few Drinks and just watch it play Nice Music also...There is also a Resident Evil bench mark tool its Much much more demanding than a regular game...its like a PC stress test I let it Run for 1 hour PC Never went above 50 with the Ultra extreme test settings... I have a manual button that i can use to turn the fans up PC would have run Even cooler but i forgot to set the front intake fans on High. Im Pretty happy with the results but i won't really know how much cooler PC is Running until i play Pcars some more...so far CPU seems to be Running 5 to 7 degrees cooler...Not really a huge temp drop as the CPU wasn't running hot with just the Air cooler.... But I'm really happy i did it...If I ever want to change the CPU its 30min or less job Now.
I definitely can see where there could be better wire management:yes: I will make that my next Project i will do it when i install the Led lighting inside the case.
yup you guessed it i have been bitten by the PC Bug:encouragement: I also plan to intal a digital readout in 1 of the front bats so i can just Glance at the PC and know the Case temp, CPU temp etc.
My top has a magnetic plate and under that plate are spots i can Mount 3 more 140mm fans but i would have to leave the Top Off so the air can pass through...
Have you downloaded the vally Bench mark tool from steam??? Its a Good tool to use... Also Very Pretty to watch...LOL I can sit down and have a few Drinks and just watch it play Nice Music also...There is also a Resident Evil bench mark tool its Much much more demanding than a regular game...its like a PC stress test I let it Run for 1 hour PC Never went above 50 with the Ultra extreme test settings... I have a manual button that i can use to turn the fans up PC would have run Even cooler but i forgot to set the front intake fans on High. Im Pretty happy with the results but i won't really know how much cooler PC is Running until i play Pcars some more...so far CPU seems to be Running 5 to 7 degrees cooler...Not really a huge temp drop as the CPU wasn't running hot with just the Air cooler.... But I'm really happy i did it...If I ever want to change the CPU its 30min or less job Now.
That's weird, my i5 6600k never hits higher than 45c in anything I've put it through and it's only air cooled?
I've used Prime95, Valley and the CPU-Z stress test.
But that magnetic top sounds cool, may have to look into getting one.
The top fan depends on your other fan configuration. Generally, it's a slow speed fan pushing air out of the case, to prevent trapped air at the top of the case (might be clattered with a top mounted PSU etc. Also, you probably don't need it at all, if your other fans are as unobstructed as can be and working properly. It's there for the cool factor and makes you think it's better. The difference in overall temps is probably negligible. Doesn't hurt of course.
That's weird, my i5 6600k never hits higher than 45c in anything I've put it through and it's only air cooled?
I've used Prime95, Valley and the CPU-Z stress test.
But that magnetic top sounds cool, may have to look into getting one.
My case came like that. The top has a magnetic screen on it made of a really fine mesh so its easy to clean. Probably just differences between all of our cases.
The top fan depends on your other fan configuration. Generally, it's a slow speed fan pushing air out of the case, to prevent trapped air at the top of the case (might be clattered with a top mounted PSU etc. Also, you probably don't need it at all, if your other fans are as unobstructed as can be and working properly. It's there for the cool factor and makes you think it's better. The difference in overall temps is probably negligible. Doesn't hurt of course.
On mine the radiator had to be top mounted which was the preferred location. Now that I'm not hopped up on cold medicine its easier to explain. If its pulling air though its pulling cold air from outside the case if your pushing air its already heated air from inside it and obviously wont be as effective . Besides fans pull better than they push. But that brings up a question for all you pc guys. Many of us have spots for more fans. Does it actually make any difference adding them or is it mostly for show? I know mine has a spot for 3 on the bottom where the psu is and has a spot for one more rear one.
On mine the radiator had to be top mounted which was the preferred location. Now that I'm not hopped up on cold medicine its easier to explain. If its pulling air though its pulling cold air from outside the case if your pushing air its already heated air from inside it and obviously wont be as effective . Besides fans pull better than they push. But that brings up a question for all you pc guys. Many of us have spots for more fans. Does it actually make any difference adding them or is it mostly for show? I know mine has a spot for 3 on the bottom where the psu is and has a spot for one more rear one.
I think those slots are just additional options. People live in a variety of environments, so outside temps will vary from user to user, as well as the components inside, which all generate heat. Obviously, the cooler chips run the better. But I think as long as you can keep the CPU and GPU below their throttle back thresholds, you're fine.
GrimeyDog
01-10-2016, 22:48
That's weird, my i5 6600k never hits higher than 45c in anything I've put it through and it's only air cooled?
I've used Prime95, Valley and the CPU-Z stress test.
But that magnetic top sounds cool, may have to look into getting one.
I prob get Hotter Because of the 2nd GPU... Not a Big prob it only hits 50 under load... 50 i still well below the Temp Danger Zone
I had the Extra Case Exhaust Fan So i Set up a Push Pull Fan Config Keeps temps between 40 and 45.... Notable Temp Dif is -5 Not a Huge Temp Diff Air vs Liquid cooling for Me probably because im Not doing any OC....at Idle it stays in the 30's some where.
Edit: Temp also Varys Depending on Game...
Pcars Runs at 40 to 45
R3E 40 or Less... (No SLI Support on R3E so 2nd GPU goes dormant)
PC @ Idle 30 or Less
https://youtu.be/8OmkmluAYAQ
This shows fans , placement and quantity .
I put a top fan in today (200mm) now i have three . 200mm front (intake) and top (exhaust) and 120 rear (exhaust) and the temps dropped by about 1 on CPU and Nothing on GPU but now i've turned all speeds down so now i can't hear it at all and temps are the same .
So at standard fan speeds nothing really changed but now i can drop fan speeds and maintain the same temps .
I think the $16 is worth it for noise alone plus now my top spot is filled so less dust will enter.
These pc's need some cooling hey . Now i've got 7 fans in total . Three case , two CPU and two GPU compared to what , one on the ps4 .
https://youtu.be/8OmkmluAYAQ
These pc's need some cooling hey . Now i've got 7 fans in total . Three case , two CPU and two GPU compared to what , one on the ps4 .
And the PS4 is still louder. :)
And the PS4 is still louder. :)
For sure .
Maybe they should mirror this thread in the pc section as well? Even before you guys jumped ship to the pc i would say the FFB content is useful to all platforms so maybe allot of pc users may benefit from being involved in this thread especially now it is more generalised around hardware?
I have a question around FFB & it something that is starting to bug me more & more in pcars. When i turn my wheel there is definitely a centre in the wheel. For me the way it pulls back to the centre is a bit unnatural. Now AC for me tends to feel way more natural in this respect(note. i do not want to start a debate or even discussion over pcars vs ac because this is about my own settings & mine might be wrong yours might be wrong who knows, i just don't think we need another one of those threads.)So the difference in AC is there is no fixed centre point. I'm not sure i'm describing this well but the direction you travel around a corner is not at 0 degrees. In pcars i always seem to have this hard-point at 0 degrees. Its like a magnetic force holding my wheel at 0 degrees. If i turn my wheel & go from 90 degrees to -90 degrees i feel the centre. Now i understand irl the wheel will pull forward if you travel forward, the wheels align. But in pcars it just feels wrong.
Does anyone here have any idea what i'm describing here? It very obvious when i'm driving but not so easy to describe. If anyone knows what im talking about & can dial it out as atm im at a dead end as to how to stop it.
https://youtu.be/8OmkmluAYAQ
This shows fans , placement and quantity .
I put a top fan in today (200mm) now i have three . 200mm front (intake) and top (exhaust) and 120 rear (exhaust) and the temps dropped by about 1 on CPU and Nothing on GPU but now i've turned all speeds down so now i can't hear it at all and temps are the same .
So at standard fan speeds nothing really changed but now i can drop fan speeds and maintain the same temps .
I think the $16 is worth it for noise alone plus now my top spot is filled so less dust will enter.
These pc's need some cooling hey . Now i've got 7 fans in total . Three case , two CPU and two GPU compared to what , one on the ps4 .
Are you guys overclocking your pc's? you seem to be running pretty low temps on load, i think my temps are higher but overclocking my old 2700k to 4.4ghz. Im ingterested to know how it compare to some of the newer cpus in performance? Im probably likely to upgrade my gpu but can't help thinking fuck my cpu is ancient surely i should replace it.
I have a question around FFB & it something that is starting to bug me more & more in pcars. When i turn my wheel there is definitely a centre in the wheel. For me the way it pulls back to the centre is a bit unnatural. Now AC for me tends to feel way more natural in this respect(note. i do not want to start a debate or even discussion over pcars vs ac because this is about my own settings & mine might be wrong yours might be wrong who knows, i just don't think we need another one of those threads.)So the difference in AC is there is no fixed centre point. I'm not sure i'm describing this well but the direction you travel around a corner is not at 0 degrees. In pcars i always seem to have this hard-point at 0 degrees. Its like a magnetic force holding my wheel at 0 degrees. If i turn my wheel & go from 90 degrees to -90 degrees i feel the centre. Now i understand irl the wheel will pull forward if you travel forward, the wheels align. But in pcars it just feels wrong.
Does anyone here have any idea what i'm describing here? It very obvious when i'm driving but not so easy to describe. If anyone knows what im talking about & can dial it out as atm im at a dead end as to how to stop it.
I think I know what you mean. You can lower Mz, to reduce the center force, but that's across the board, so it affects both low and high speed centering the same. I think that constant center pull in PCars is one of the reasons it seems to have less progressive feel (weight in relation to speed and turning angle than some other sims). It's there, but the constant center pull dilutes it. That could also explain why some people feel it more than others. Because if you're using a Fanatec wheel, or have a Spring setting in your PC driver control panel, you can dial out some of the hardware's natural centering. A lot of CSW-v2, users turn the @wheel Spring setting off, which problem helps bring out the progressive feel a little more. But, all that said, I honestly don't know how, or if, you can dial that constant center pull out, because I don't think Mz is the answer, and AFAIK, there's no Spring setting in PCars, other than the Low Speed options, which only affect the spring at extremely slow speeds.
Are you guys overclocking your pc's? you seem to be running pretty low temps on load, i think my temps are higher but overclocking my old 2700k to 4.4ghz. Im ingterested to know how it compare to some of the newer cpus in performance? Im probably likely to upgrade my gpu but can't help thinking fuck my cpu is ancient surely i should replace it.
I'm not doing any overclocking. My CPU is liquid cooled and idles around 22 degrees, rising to around 33-38 under load. If you're going to upgrade your GPU, you should consider your CPU, because a slow CPU can bottleneck a fast GPU. Not saying you need to upgrade the CPU, just look into it and make sure it won't hamper the GPU.
I'm not doing any overclocking. My CPU is liquid cooled and idles around 22 degrees, rising to around 33-38 under load. If you're going to upgrade your GPU, you should consider your CPU, because a slow CPU can bottleneck a fast GPU. Not saying you need to upgrade the CPU, just look into it and make sure it won't hamper the GPU.
yeah sure i don't want to bottleneck my cpu its a bit of an odd situation i know deep down i should upgrade but im probably not going to see a huge improvement over an i7 at 4.4. I feel a little like im gambling a bit with the foundations of my system as the mobo aint new either but i reckon i could probably make it last till the next generation after the 1080ti. I just think its crazy you guys have such chilly cpus & you are not even pushing them. Not a bad thing at all though colder the better.
I think I know what you mean. You can lower Mz, to reduce the center force, but that's across the board, so it affects both low and high speed centering the same. I think that constant center pull in PCars is one of the reasons it seems to have less progressive feel (weight in relation to speed and turning angle than some other sims). It's there, but the constant center pull dilutes it. That could also explain why some people feel it more than others. Because if you're using a Fanatec wheel, or have a Spring setting in your PC driver control panel, you can dial out some of the hardware's natural centering. A lot of CSW-v2, users turn the @wheel Spring setting off, which problem helps bring out the progressive feel a little more. But, all that said, I honestly don't know how, or if, you can dial that constant center pull out, because I don't think Mz is the answer, and AFAIK, there's no Spring setting in PCars, other than the Low Speed options, which only affect the spring at extremely slow speeds.
So do you feel that? in my mind i call it a shoulder as it sort of rests there too easily. Beyond that the ffb is great. Ive not really played with the MZ what does that do? maybe its related to the tm wheel settings? i would hope with all the flexibility of the pcars ffb settings that it could be fixed.
yeah sure i don't want to bottleneck my cpu its a bit of an odd situation i know deep down i should upgrade but im probably not going to see a huge improvement over an i7 at 4.4. I feel a little like im gambling a bit with the foundations of my system as the mobo aint new either but i reckon i could probably make it last till the next generation after the 1080ti. I just think its crazy you guys have such chilly cpus & you are not even pushing them. Not a bad thing at all though colder the better.
If you've got the budget to keep going, you could always give a new GPU a shot, and see how it works. Then, if the CPU is causing problems, upgrade that, too. If you don't have the budget to keep going on the upgrades, then you need to think it through, because you could end up stuck. You could also pose the specific upgrade question/spec in the Steam Community forums, and see if some one with a matching config can speak to the performance.
So do you feel that? in my mind i call it a shoulder as it sort of rests there too easily. Beyond that the ffb is great. Ive not really played with the MZ what does that do? maybe its related to the tm wheel settings? i would hope with all the flexibility of the pcars ffb settings that it could be fixed.
I definitely feel more constant centering force in PCars. Both AC and R3E have a lot less constant centering force. At low speeds the wheel is much loser, and then tightens with weight in relation to steering angle and speed. I think this may be one of the reasons PCars is sometimes described as feeling less connected to some people.
Mz is the force that's related to the natural twisting and turn on the wheel as they try to return to center. You can give it try. But like I said, it's going to affect the centering across the board--both low and high, regardless of steering angle or speed. A good example would be Jack's latest updates to his tweaker files. He lowered Mz on a lot of cars to reduce phase issues. But on the FA, it was a little too low, so it made the wheel feel too light and floaty. Once I bumped it back up a bit, the wheel tightened up again. You can give it a shot, but the lower you go, the lighter the wheel is going to feel, and the force won't ramp up with steering and speed.
GrimeyDog
03-10-2016, 00:01
That's weird, my i5 6600k never hits higher than 45c in anything I've put it through and it's only air cooled?
I've used Prime95, Valley and the CPU-Z stress test.
But that magnetic top sounds cool, may have to look into getting one.
https://youtu.be/8OmkmluAYAQ
This shows fans , placement and quantity .
I put a top fan in today (200mm) now i have three . 200mm front (intake) and top (exhaust) and 120 rear (exhaust) and the temps dropped by about 1 on CPU and Nothing on GPU but now i've turned all speeds down so now i can't hear it at all and temps are the same .
So at standard fan speeds nothing really changed but now i can drop fan speeds and maintain the same temps .
I think the $16 is worth it for noise alone plus now my top spot is filled so less dust will enter.
These pc's need some cooling hey . Now i've got 7 fans in total . Three case , two CPU and two GPU compared to what , one on the ps4 .
A Fan is Just a Fan Right??? Wrong...LOL... There are 2 type of fan:yes: there are probably more but i will just talk about the 2 that im using.
AF = Air Flow fan...designed to Move air in open spaces
SP = Static PSI fan...Blades are designed to Push air through objects EX:Radiators or any thing else that may obstruct air Flow.
When i installed the Liquid cooler i wanted a Push pull config... The unit cam with 1 SP fan and has the Option to install a 2nd fan to it.. what i did was take the rear case (AF-->) Fan and install it on the back of the radiator for the Push and put the SP fan in front for the Pull... The result was very good it keeps the temp stable at 45c No matter what app or game soo far... Today what i did was install a SP fan on the rear of the radiator and i see even better results... The CPU runs about the same 45 or less but where i note a bigger improvement is the GPU temps are lower because the Push Pull SP fan config is evacuating more air out of the case:yes:
I set the CPU to race on Nubergring 20 laps in Thunderstorm conditions, Clear, Fog with Time and weather shift at 60x with a 16 car grid... The CPU Never went above 45c, GPU1 never hit more than 75c and GPU2 Never hit more than 60...As expected during the thunderstorm parts of the Race GPU the temps went up + 2 and during the Clear times CPU and GPU temps went down due to less work load on the GPU's.
Note my temps will always be a tad higher because the extra GPU is a Extra heat source:yes:
Just thought it would be interesting to share today's PC upgrades and test.
I'm Now using a total of 4 140mm case fans... 2 front Case fans are AF fans 9Came with the PC case)... The 2x Radiator cooling Fans are SP fans(Goovey Blue Light Included $20.00)
I have 4 more fan slots available for use... 3 on the top and 1 more on the bottom...Separate from the PSU fan port.
I saw a interesting trick where the guy said he always put his power supply in with the fan inside the case because it helps to suck more hot air out... very interesting.
Each GPU has 2 fans that i didn't count because i cant change them to increase PC case cooling.
PC is Still very Quiet ... the 2x Buttkickers By far make more Noise than the PC... PC fan Noise is barely noticeable unless i'm specifically listening for it.
All in All i would call this weeks upgrades a success because PC temp is down from 50c while playing Pcars to 45 or less... 50 is well below the Thermo throttling Zone so there was No Real danger or need to upgrade to Liquid cooling but i just figured hey I had the Time and a few extra $$$ so why Not:yes:
The Major advantage of Liquid cooling besides the Notable 5 degree temp drop is that it gave me more Space to Install the Extra Ram so i Now have 32GB Ram also... The air Cooler was Very very Close to the first Ram Slot... I'm Not sure that the Extra Ram would have fit without touching the Air cooling unit.
PC Now Runs at 45c or less while playing in 4k and at idle PC runs at 30c or less:yes: Im very happy with the results.
Yes i know i Need to do some wire management... This was a Micro center build so its pretty fair considering that:o wire management will be My Next project.
Edit: the Rear Fan My V2 makes More Noise than the PC Fans... I have Not Made a Custom Fan Curve... Im have been using the MSI Auto Fan Tune....4+Hrs on Pcars and CPU temp 45 or Less:encouragement:
GrimeyDog
03-10-2016, 00:33
I have a question around FFB & it something that is starting to bug me more & more in pcars. When i turn my wheel there is definitely a centre in the wheel. For me the way it pulls back to the centre is a bit unnatural. Now AC for me tends to feel way more natural in this respect(note. i do not want to start a debate or even discussion over pcars vs ac because this is about my own settings & mine might be wrong yours might be wrong who knows, i just don't think we need another one of those threads.)So the difference in AC is there is no fixed centre point. I'm not sure i'm describing this well but the direction you travel around a corner is not at 0 degrees. In pcars i always seem to have this hard-point at 0 degrees. Its like a magnetic force holding my wheel at 0 degrees. If i turn my wheel & go from 90 degrees to -90 degrees i feel the centre. Now i understand irl the wheel will pull forward if you travel forward, the wheels align. But in pcars it just feels wrong.
Does anyone here have any idea what i'm describing here? It very obvious when i'm driving but not so easy to describe. If anyone knows what im talking about & can dial it out as atm im at a dead end as to how to stop it.
What wheel and settings are you using??? I'm using trying to Feel the center spot limp that your talking about... I'm familiar with it but i haven't felt it in a bit... I've been using Mz 30 for a while now... I'm Not sure if higher Mz was the cause of it... Also are you still using scoops??? for me when i turned scoops Off it gave the Wheel a notabley tighter but smoother center feel...Removing scoops put More power to the wheel but i reduced TF by 10 to compensate and the feel is better than Ever!!!
Sometimes the center spot Knot can be wheel FW related...There was Fanatec FW's that had that center notch Feel... i forget which 1 it was though... I suggest check your wheel with other games to rule out the wheel FW issue.
GrimeyDog
03-10-2016, 00:38
Morpwr, Big Dad and any 1 else feel free...Post some pics of your PC... i need to get some Ideas on how to best config My PC wire management... lets see some of these machines folks:victorious:
I have a question around FFB & it something that is starting to bug me more & more in pcars. When i turn my wheel there is definitely a centre in the wheel. For me the way it pulls back to the centre is a bit unnatural. Now AC for me tends to feel way more natural in this respect(note. i do not want to start a debate or even discussion over pcars vs ac because this is about my own settings & mine might be wrong yours might be wrong who knows, i just don't think we need another one of those threads.)So the difference in AC is there is no fixed centre point. I'm not sure i'm describing this well but the direction you travel around a corner is not at 0 degrees. In pcars i always seem to have this hard-point at 0 degrees. Its like a magnetic force holding my wheel at 0 degrees. If i turn my wheel & go from 90 degrees to -90 degrees i feel the centre. Now i understand irl the wheel will pull forward if you travel forward, the wheels align. But in pcars it just feels wrong.
Does anyone here have any idea what i'm describing here? It very obvious when i'm driving but not so easy to describe. If anyone knows what im talking about & can dial it out as atm im at a dead end as to how to stop it.
You have the spring and damper turned off in the control panel right? The other thing that comes to mind is ddr and drf if set wrong it will definitely have a weird notch around center. You can actually create a heavy spot around center.
Are you guys overclocking your pc's? you seem to be running pretty low temps on load, i think my temps are higher but overclocking my old 2700k to 4.4ghz. Im ingterested to know how it compare to some of the newer cpus in performance? Im probably likely to upgrade my gpu but can't help thinking fuck my cpu is ancient surely i should replace it.
I didn't overclock mine.I didn't see the need at this point.Even running 30 car grids in r3e I didn't have any issues and only hit 50 degrees.
Are you guys overclocking your pc's? you seem to be running pretty low temps on load, i think my temps are higher but overclocking my old 2700k to 4.4ghz. Im ingterested to know how it compare to some of the newer cpus in performance? Im probably likely to upgrade my gpu but can't help thinking fuck my cpu is ancient surely i should replace it.
Yeah , i've got 4.2GHz on my i5 6600k and +120MHz core and +500MHz memory on my GTX 1060 but with boost it hits 2000MHz and this seems to give about 8-15fps game dependant .
Morpwr, Big Dad and any 1 else feel free...Post some pics of your PC... i need to get some Ideas on how to best config My PC wire management... lets see some of these machines folks:victorious:
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This is how the shop finished it off , this is when i picked it up now the only difference is the top fan .
No fancy RGB lighting on GPU . I wish the fans faced up so they would be visible.
Morpwr, Big Dad and any 1 else feel free...Post some pics of your PC... i need to get some Ideas on how to best config My PC wire management... lets see some of these machines folks:victorious:
I'll try and get one up tomorrow.
GrimeyDog
03-10-2016, 02:06
Are you guys overclocking your pc's? you seem to be running pretty low temps on load, i think my temps are higher but overclocking my old 2700k to 4.4ghz. Im ingterested to know how it compare to some of the newer cpus in performance? Im probably likely to upgrade my gpu but can't help thinking fuck my cpu is ancient surely i should replace it.
Im Not over Clocking... as it is for right Now i dont see the Need to everything plays in UHD 3840 x 2160 @ a stable 60fps with Ultra & High Settings...Because i still use a TV i cant run above 60fps the TV wont keep up with it without tearing/Stuttering issues.
GrimeyDog
03-10-2016, 04:32
Morpwr that Grp5 BMW is a Beast!!! It got it to Run a 1:07.9xx on Watkins short!!! Yup Thats My Fav test track... Short, Good Road Feel and Quick!!! Yup and All Cars Still Using Same in Car FFB settings:yes:
Jack Spade
03-10-2016, 09:13
I have a question around FFB & it something that is starting to bug me more & more in pcars. When i turn my wheel there is definitely a centre in the wheel. For me the way it pulls back to the centre is a bit unnatural. Now AC for me tends to feel way more natural in this respect(note. i do not want to start a debate or even discussion over pcars vs ac because this is about my own settings & mine might be wrong yours might be wrong who knows, i just don't think we need another one of those threads.)So the difference in AC is there is no fixed centre point. I'm not sure i'm describing this well but the direction you travel around a corner is not at 0 degrees. In pcars i always seem to have this hard-point at 0 degrees. Its like a magnetic force holding my wheel at 0 degrees. If i turn my wheel & go from 90 degrees to -90 degrees i feel the centre. Now i understand irl the wheel will pull forward if you travel forward, the wheels align. But in pcars it just feels wrong.
Does anyone here have any idea what i'm describing here? It very obvious when i'm driving but not so easy to describe. If anyone knows what im talking about & can dial it out as atm im at a dead end as to how to stop it.
The center notch more or less depends on, 1. global force, 2. dead zone removal range, 3. steering ratio (car setup). Not avoidable completely due to the way FFB (wheels)
work in general. First aid, lower 1 and 2 a bit and increase 3. pCARS only uses Slow Speed Spring which is not causing the issue.
My car settings are properly balanced so no need to fiddle with, in case you´re using them. One thing to mention here, Large Arm Angles also open up the center.
Assetto Corsa - I wonder why this game often is used as FFB reference. Like in rF2 and Raceroom there´s just a global FFB setup besides a simple individual car FFB
multiplier. Indeed with just a few adjustments it seems to work out of the box at first sight, but there are many cars in any of these games that are just awful and
IMO not usable and no way to tune them, I´m not talking about bad mods here.
An AC example. On the McLaren F1 GTR and Audi R8 LMS the wheel just suddenly becomes very light when turned beyond 90°, they seem to have forgotten about
Fy as there´s almost no side load force present. Back to your issue, as there´s no Soft Lock in AC the steering ratio seems undefined which is one of reason you
won´t notice the center notch that much. If I limit the ratio directly on the CSW v2 at 540° for instance, FFB feels stronger in the center and the notch becomes
more apparent as well.
Morpwr that Grp5 BMW is a Beast!!! It got it to Run a 1:07.9xx on Watkins short!!! Yup Thats My Fav test track... Short, Good Road Feel and Quick!!! Yup and All Cars Still Using Same in Car FFB settings:yes:
Yeah the group 5 stuff is fun!!! Total handful to drive. Do you have them for r3e?
Jezza819
03-10-2016, 17:52
I have a question around FFB & it something that is starting to bug me more & more in pcars. When i turn my wheel there is definitely a centre in the wheel. For me the way it pulls back to the centre is a bit unnatural. Now AC for me tends to feel way more natural in this respect(note. i do not want to start a debate or even discussion over pcars vs ac because this is about my own settings & mine might be wrong yours might be wrong who knows, i just don't think we need another one of those threads.)So the difference in AC is there is no fixed centre point. I'm not sure i'm describing this well but the direction you travel around a corner is not at 0 degrees. In pcars i always seem to have this hard-point at 0 degrees. Its like a magnetic force holding my wheel at 0 degrees. If i turn my wheel & go from 90 degrees to -90 degrees i feel the centre. Now i understand irl the wheel will pull forward if you travel forward, the wheels align. But in pcars it just feels wrong.
Does anyone here have any idea what i'm describing here? It very obvious when i'm driving but not so easy to describe. If anyone knows what im talking about & can dial it out as atm im at a dead end as to how to stop it.
For the longest time now I have been running just about everything with a steering ratio at 7:9.1 but I've been getting really frustrated with what I call the pointless spinouts. Especially with chicanes like at Zolder where you take a little curb. It was really getting me angry when I would spin out of the lead late in a race.
What I thought could be happening was when the tire was leaving the ground, I was turning the steering wheel at what I thought was the proper input but in reality since the steering ratio was so tight I was overturning the actual tire on the car, if that makes any sense. That combined with the actual snap back to center like you describe I thought was causing these spinouts.
So I experimented with raising the steering ratio back up to 9:9.1 on GT's and Prototypes just to see what would happen and now it's like a whole new game. It's so much easier to predict what the car is going to do. I can jerk the car around a little more if I need to and not worry about the rear end coming around on me. The steering wheel input now more accurately represents what the tires are doing. At least that's what it feels like to me.
GrimeyDog
03-10-2016, 18:10
Yeah the group 5 stuff is fun!!! Total handful to drive. Do you have them for r3e?
Not yet.. Im Going to get them... Im Still Sorting the R3E FFB... Every time i Start Sorting R3E FFB i end up back on Pcars...on FFB Tweeker Break.. LOL..I have it avout 60% Sorted:yes: Just Checking and Double Checking Searching for best Feel.
For the longest time now I have been running just about everything with a steering ratio at 7:9.1 but I've been getting really frustrated with what I call the pointless spinouts. Especially with chicanes like at Zolder where you take a little curb. It was really getting me angry when I would spin out of the lead late in a race.
What I thought could be happening was when the tire was leaving the ground, I was turning the steering wheel at what I thought was the proper input but in reality since the steering ratio was so tight I was overturning the actual tire on the car, if that makes any sense. That combined with the actual snap back to center like you describe I thought was causing these spinouts.
So I experimented with raising the steering ratio back up to 9:9.1 on GT's and Prototypes just to see what would happen and now it's like a whole new game. It's so much easier to predict what the car is going to do. I can jerk the car around a little more if I need to and not worry about the rear end coming around on me. The steering wheel input now more accurately represents what the tires are doing. At least that's what it feels like to me.
I had the same problem. I never really noticed it when I was playing PCars exclusively, but after playing other sims, and then coming back to PCars, I was suddenly over steering and losing the back end way too easy. The ratio was too tight. It was also causing my tires to heat faster than they should, because I was scrubbing.
I got to say that Grimeydog is an awesome driver to race against! Clean and fast!
Just did a quick 10 lap, in GT4, at Laguna Seca. At night. We fighted all race long!
Thanks for the race Grimey.
GrimeyDog
04-10-2016, 08:46
I got to say that Grimeydog is an awesome driver to race against! Clean and fast!
Just did a quick 10 lap, in GT4, at Laguna Seca. At night. We fighted all race long!
Thanks for the race Grimey.
That was a Great Race!!! What a Epic Battle!!! You Drove that Car Like a Pro!!! it was a Rocket on Every Straight i really had to use every corner and Draft to hang in there!!! Such a Great Race!!! Thats what i Miss about Racing online!!!
I saved the Replay!!!
GrimeyDog
04-10-2016, 10:41
Ok so i downloaded Windows Anniversary again Last Night....I turned off all programs that Launch at windows start up because PC Restarts Multiple Times... I did this to try to help make sure i get a Clean install...Wish Me Luck... I havent tried it yet... Downloading Forza Horizon and Forza Apex while im at work.
Trying it again because MS Got Me!!! I bought Forza Horizon then OC tells Me I Need Anniversary update!!! LOL... Crafty Buggers MS is!!.
The little i Tested R3E seems ok but is a tad Gltchy only when Driving in Car view...But i always drive in Car so it will def put R3E on pause until the prob gets Fixed if its Not Right whenni really Test it out... I only tested 5 or so Min with a controller... So i really cant say for sure.
Ok so i downloaded Windows Anniversary again Last Night....I turned off all programs that Launch at windows start up because PC Restarts Multiple Times... I did this to try to help make sure i get a Clean install...Wish Me Luck... I havent tried it yet... Downloading Forza Horizon and Forza Apex while im at work.
Trying it again because MS Got Me!!! I bought Forza Horizon then OC tells Me I Need Anniversary update!!! LOL... Crafty Buggers MS is!!.
The little i Tested R3E seems ok but is a tad Gltchy only when Driving in Car view...But i always drive in Car so it will def put R3E on pause until the prob gets Fixed if its Not Right whenni really Test it out... I only tested 5 or so Min with a controller... So i really cant say for sure.
I haven't had any issues with the update and r3e. Only thing to watch for is the settings in r3e changed but it actually told me to check them. I'm not sure if every setting will make it tell you though.
That was a Great Race!!! What a Epic Battle!!! You Drove that Car Like a Pro!!! it was a Rocket on Every Straight i really had to use every corner and Draft to hang in there!!! Such a Great Race!!! Thats what i Miss about Racing online!!!
I saved the Replay!!!
I was lucky you also lost it when i locked my brakes on the corckscrew near the end!
I didn't see you started to slide on the last corner, my FoV is somewhat narrow and i can't see wide on hairpins. I would've freaked out in joy if i could avoid you and win! :D
Yeah, onlines like that are awesome. It's the reason why i like racing! Those elusive races where you run bumper to bumper the whole race with someone with similar skills. You always have to be on your toes. You can't really escape from the guy behind, you know he can catch you. You known the second you make a mistake, he's going to pass.
If i chase, i can get calm and do a pass at the right moment. But as soon as the pass is done, i get really nervous and i start to do errors, just because i'm in front! :D
Thanks again for the good time!
I got to say that Grimeydog is an awesome driver to race against! Clean and fast!
Just did a quick 10 lap, in GT4, at Laguna Seca. At night. We fighted all race long!
Thanks for the race Grimey.
You know whats funny? I never noticed until the other night that every corner on laguna seca has an apex marker and ive been running that track since gt came out. Maybe they aren't in all the games?
GrimeyDog
04-10-2016, 12:35
I was lucky you also lost it when i locked my brakes on the corckscrew near the end!
I didn't see you started to slide on the last corner, my FoV is somewhat narrow and i can't see wide on hairpins. I would've freaked out in joy if i could avoid you and win! :D
Yeah, onlines like that are awesome. It's the reason why i like racing! Those elusive races where you run bumper to bumper the whole race with someone with similar skills. You always have to be on your toes. You can't really escape from the guy behind, you know he can catch you. You known the second you make a mistake, he's going to pass.
If i chase, i can get calm and do a pass at the right moment. But as soon as the pass is done, i get really nervous and i start to do errors, just because i'm in front! :D
Thanks again for the good time!
Im the Same Way!!! I have to Cut the Rear View Mirror Off to keep from Looking Behind Me!!! When you took off at the Line... That Drag Race Down the First Straight I knew My Only Hope was to Keep speed up in the Corners!!! I trued yo Stay Close as possible and Force a Mistake!!! When you Locked up in the cork screw it really threw Me off i went down 1 too Many Gears... The Last turn i knew you had too Much Straight Line speed for Me to get away and i was Guarding tge Inside Line too Tight hit the curb and upset the Car i Lost all tracktion!!! What a Great Race!!! It wasn't over until it was over!!! That Race Deserves a Rematch:yes: Same Cars same Track.
The Night Racing is Really Tricky... Tires are Hot as they can be but Grip is Low because Low track temps.
GrimeyDog
04-10-2016, 12:36
You know whats funny? I never noticed until the other night that every corner on laguna seca has an apex marker and ive been running that track since gt came out. Maybe they aren't in all the games?
You Gotta get on a Run a Few with us... Its Gonna be Great Fun!!!
Laguna Seca is Nice!!!
https://youtu.be/id1AYSzl8oQ
You need to try this .
Latest DLC .
Im the Same Way!!! I have to Cut the Rear View Mirror Off to keep from Looking Behind Me!!! When you took off at the Line... That Drag Race Down the First Straight I knew My Only Hope was to Keep speed up in the Corners!!! I trued yo Stay Close as possible and Force a Mistake!!! When you Locked up in the cork screw it really threw Me off i went down 1 too Many Gears... The Last turn i knew you had too Much Straight Line speed for Me to get away and i was Guarding tge Inside Line too Tight hit the curb and upset the Car i Lost all tracktion!!! What a Great Race!!! It wasn't over until it was over!!! That Race Deserves a Rematch:yes: Same Cars same Track.
The Night Racing is Really Tricky... Tires are Hot as they can be but Grip is Low because Low track temps.
The grip was tricky, indeed. It's funny that lots of times, i also get distracted when someone lose it in front of me.
Curbs can trow someone's off! :D
GrimeyDog
04-10-2016, 15:08
How is the Racing in AMS??? How is it with a Wheel are the Driving Physics any Good???
i may buy AMS when i get in... Hmmm...
How is the Racing in AMS??? How is it with a Wheel are the Driving Physics any Good???
i may buy AMS when i get in... Hmmm...
it took a bit to get used to but now i really like it , so much so i just bought the season pass which give you another version of the game with all the beta stuff and the new dlc before it is released . Plus all DLC until the next AMS at the end of 2017.
i think it's just easy to miss because the apex is so deep into the corner that sometimes you don't see it. Very challenging this Laguna Seca, i really like it though. The corkscrew downhill and the corner before that are very hard for me. Something about the previous turn that i rarely get right.
GrimeyDog
04-10-2016, 17:01
Going up the Hill before the CorkScrew if you dont have a plan to compensate if your off Line your Screwed!!!
I had the Lead on Poirqc going up that Hill... I Knew Poirqc was going to catch up before the Apex!!! I decicided it was best to Guard the Inside Line and Brake Early to Compensate because i was way off Line!!! Exactly as i thought He caught up and we went through the Corkscrew Side By Side!!! What a Great Race!!! We were Both Guarding and Blocking to Keep one another off the Fast Line but yet we both Left Space so Neither of us went off Road!!! Neither of us put 1 wheel in the Dirt and Battled all the way through that whole section!!!
I saved the Replay I will see if i can Post it or Video that section to Share it with you all!!!
RobboCod
04-10-2016, 18:59
My kid of 10 start to be bored with the Crew because of "non realistic behavior of the car" ;-)
Spacepadrille, not sure if you're now a PC user lol! But my wheel feels like it is back to normal on Pcars. Feel is back weight has reduced I haven't changed any ffb settings if you wanted to try?
Going up the Hill before the CorkScrew if you dont have a plan to compensate if your off Line your Screwed!!!
I had the Lead on Poirqc going up that Hill... I Knew Poirqc was going to catch up before the Apex!!! I decicided it was best to Guard the Inside Line and Brake Early to Compensate because i was way off Line!!! Exactly as i thought He caught up and we went through the Corkscrew Side By Side!!! What a Great Race!!! We were Both Guarding and Blocking to Keep one another off the Fast Line but yet we both Left Space so Neither of us went off Road!!! Neither of us put 1 wheel in the Dirt and Battled all the way through that whole section!!!
I saved the Replay I will see if i can Post it or Video that section to Share it with you all!!!
Yeah, that part was awesome, the vid is already posted on youtube, i need to post a link here. It's done! :D
GrimeyDog
04-10-2016, 21:37
Post the Link:yes:
The center notch more or less depends on, 1. global force, 2. dead zone removal range, 3. steering ratio (car setup). Not avoidable completely due to the way FFB (wheels)
work in general. First aid, lower 1 and 2 a bit and increase 3. pCARS only uses Slow Speed Spring which is not causing the issue.
My car settings are properly balanced so no need to fiddle with, in case you´re using them. One thing to mention here, Large Arm Angles also open up the center.
Assetto Corsa - I wonder why this game often is used as FFB reference. Like in rF2 and Raceroom there´s just a global FFB setup besides a simple individual car FFB
multiplier. Indeed with just a few adjustments it seems to work out of the box at first sight, but there are many cars in any of these games that are just awful and
IMO not usable and no way to tune them, I´m not talking about bad mods here.
An AC example. On the McLaren F1 GTR and Audi R8 LMS the wheel just suddenly becomes very light when turned beyond 90°, they seem to have forgotten about
Fy as there´s almost no side load force present. Back to your issue, as there´s no Soft Lock in AC the steering ratio seems undefined which is one of reason you
won´t notice the center notch that much. If I limit the ratio directly on the CSW v2 at 540° for instance, FFB feels stronger in the center and the notch becomes
more apparent as well.
I'm not really sure i would describe it as a notch, maybe it is but with a notch i would expect the wheel to be light for a few degrees of centre like you have some looseness in the middle, its really the opposite of that its too set in the middle. I guess its gotta be something to do with those setting though & I have not played around with ration as tbh i wanted them to match the real cars.
The only reason i mention AC is because in this case the wheel action feels like it should & AC is the only other driving game i play so it just makes sense. I tend to swing from one to the other in preference, ironing out the negatives the other game highlights in FFB. Soft-lock is actually there in AC, its in a ini file. Fy is an interesting one because i really missed it coming from pcars but now i want to tone it down a bit in pcars. I'm actually slowly transferring all your individual car settings to the in game settings so i can adjust things a bit easier.
You have the spring and damper turned off in the control panel right? The other thing that comes to mind is ddr and drf if set wrong it will definitely have a weird notch around center. You can actually create a heavy spot around center.
The spring damper is at 30, I think i set it at that as it feels better in AC, turning it off doesn't seem to have helped. I will try the ddr & drf again but this was the first thing i tried without success.
For the longest time now I have been running just about everything with a steering ratio at 7:9.1 but I've been getting really frustrated with what I call the pointless spinouts. Especially with chicanes like at Zolder where you take a little curb. It was really getting me angry when I would spin out of the lead late in a race.
What I thought could be happening was when the tire was leaving the ground, I was turning the steering wheel at what I thought was the proper input but in reality since the steering ratio was so tight I was overturning the actual tire on the car, if that makes any sense. That combined with the actual snap back to center like you describe I thought was causing these spinouts.
So I experimented with raising the steering ratio back up to 9:9.1 on GT's and Prototypes just to see what would happen and now it's like a whole new game. It's so much easier to predict what the car is going to do. I can jerk the car around a little more if I need to and not worry about the rear end coming around on me. The steering wheel input now more accurately represents what the tires are doing. At least that's what it feels like to me.
I really need to try this as i definitely have this issue as you describe.
What wheel and settings are you using??? I'm using trying to Feel the center spot limp that your talking about... I'm familiar with it but i haven't felt it in a bit... I've been using Mz 30 for a while now... I'm Not sure if higher Mz was the cause of it... Also are you still using scoops??? for me when i turned scoops Off it gave the Wheel a notabley tighter but smoother center feel...Removing scoops put More power to the wheel but i reduced TF by 10 to compensate and the feel is better than Ever!!!
Sometimes the center spot Knot can be wheel FW related...There was Fanatec FW's that had that center notch Feel... i forget which 1 it was though... I suggest check your wheel with other games to rule out the wheel FW issue.
I have a TM300rs & i'm looking to upgrade just wondering weather to hold out for a DD or just get a clubsport. I don't think its wheel related as not in AC but yeah i have experimented with no scoops but didn't really feel great. My understanding though with no scoop is its more for high end wheels, been meaning to try the setting you posted a few pages ago though.
I definitely feel more constant centering force in PCars. Both AC and R3E have a lot less constant centering force. At low speeds the wheel is much loser, and then tightens with weight in relation to steering angle and speed. I think this may be one of the reasons PCars is sometimes described as feeling less connected to some people.
Mz is the force that's related to the natural twisting and turn on the wheel as they try to return to center. You can give it try. But like I said, it's going to affect the centering across the board--both low and high, regardless of steering angle or speed. A good example would be Jack's latest updates to his tweaker files. He lowered Mz on a lot of cars to reduce phase issues. But on the FA, it was a little too low, so it made the wheel feel too light and floaty. Once I bumped it back up a bit, the wheel tightened up again. You can give it a shot, but the lower you go, the lighter the wheel is going to feel, and the force won't ramp up with steering and speed.
It could well be the game, its odd with ffb in any of these games where i notice things all of a sudden & can't figure if i changed something or if i just didn't channel into it in the first place.
I think Mz is the only thing i didn't mess with & could hold the key from what has been described in above posts as well. I need to finish transferring the JS setting over to the menu as i can't be doing with fiddling around with text files.
Give the link to the people!
Post the Link:yes:
Give the link to the people!
Had to confirm my account. I've skipped to the good part. You can view all of it.
https://youtu.be/NOPBon4-7k8?t=518
spacepadrille
04-10-2016, 21:59
Spacepadrille, not sure if you're now a PC user lol! But my wheel feels like it is back to normal on Pcars. Feel is back weight has reduced I haven't changed any ffb settings if you wanted to try?
I'm still on PS4, but after the "Dirt Rally Turnaround" (plugin wheel in ps3 mode and restart the game) and the new SonY 4.0.1 update, my FFB is now absolutely fantastic, based on morpwr's one ;-). same on AC, same on Dirt, wonderful feeling. I'm happy, I'm playing, racing, and the PC stuff will wait a little bit more now. But I will switch to PC, that's sure, I feel alone on console. And my kid will be happy to have the console more ;-)
I'm not really sure i would describe it as a notch, maybe it is but with a notch i would expect the wheel to be light for a few degrees of centre like you have some looseness in the middle, its really the opposite of that its too set in the middle. I guess its gotta be something to do with those setting though & I have not played around with ration as tbh i wanted them to match the real cars.
The only reason i mention AC is because in this case the wheel action feels like it should & AC is the only other driving game i play so it just makes sense. I tend to swing from one to the other in preference, ironing out the negatives the other game highlights in FFB. Soft-lock is actually there in AC, its in a ini file. Fy is an interesting one because i really missed it coming from pcars but now i want to tone it down a bit in pcars. I'm actually slowly transferring all your individual car settings to the in game settings so i can adjust things a bit easier.
The spring damper is at 30, I think i set it at that as it feels better in AC, turning it off doesn't seem to have helped. I will try the ddr & drf again but this was the first thing i tried without success.
I really need to try this as i definitely have this issue as you describe.
I have a TM300rs & i'm looking to upgrade just wondering weather to hold out for a DD or just get a clubsport. I don't think its wheel related as not in AC but yeah i have experimented with no scoops but didn't really feel great. My understanding though with no scoop is its more for high end wheels, been meaning to try the setting you posted a few pages ago though.
It could well be the game, its odd with ffb in any of these games where i notice things all of a sudden & can't figure if i changed something or if i just didn't channel into it in the first place.
I think Mz is the only thing i didn't mess with & could hold the key from what has been described in above posts as well. I need to finish transferring the JS setting over to the menu as i can't be doing with fiddling around with text files.
If you haven't tried Mz, give it a shot. It's centering force, and that seems to be where you're issue is. It might not be the solution, but it's a big question mark, you need to check off the list. Also try increasing the ratio. I don't know why I went with tighter ratios, but now, I find SMS's default to be inline with the ratios I have in other sims. Well, at least, the variances are less noticeable/drastic, which makes it easier to switch from game to game. Running without Scoops is fine if your wheel has a near linear default curve. But, the curves I've seen from TM wheels are way too bowed to run without Scoops. You need that Knee to bring the curve back in line.
GrimeyDog
04-10-2016, 22:17
I dunno... Forza Horizon better be dam Good.... just like last time the Anniversary update is causing R#E to Play really Glitchy...Everything else seems fine...
Maccau is the track!!! I always loved that track!!!
Im Going over and Over all the settings to make sure all is right...all seems well... Shruggs at this point im lost???
dont know if im gonna Rip the update out Now or just wait...I have all my data and a system image backed up on a external HDD so Rolling back is easy....I just wish i knew what the issue is...the stuttering is not as bad as the first time but the Micro stutters are still there!!!
I tried R3E the other week while i didn't have my VR i thought i would give it a go, I couldn't get the resolution to set right, the community on the forum where very helpful but in the end i just gave up with it. I know that has bugger all to do with your issue but its the first time i got stumped with a technical issue like that in ages.
I dunno... Forza Horizon better be dam Good.... just like last time the Anniversary update is causing R#E to Play really Glitchy...Everything else seems fine...
Maccau is the track!!! I always loved that track!!!
Im Going over and Over all the settings to make sure all is right...all seems well... Shruggs at this point im lost???
dont know if im gonna Rip the update out Now or just wait...I have all my data and a system image backed up on a external HDD so Rolling back is easy....I just wish i knew what the issue is...the stuttering is not as bad as the first time but the Micro stutters are still there!!!
Did you try going into msconf & turning everything off? this normally narrows down windows issues for me as if its something running in the background it shows up. Also disconnecting all usbs, internet.
I'm not really sure i would describe it as a notch, maybe it is but with a notch i would expect the wheel to be light for a few degrees of centre like you have some looseness in the middle, its really the opposite of that its too set in the middle. I guess its gotta be something to do with those setting though & I have not played around with ration as tbh i wanted them to match the real cars.
The only reason i mention AC is because in this case the wheel action feels like it should & AC is the only other driving game i play so it just makes sense. I tend to swing from one to the other in preference, ironing out the negatives the other game highlights in FFB. Soft-lock is actually there in AC, its in a ini file. Fy is an interesting one because i really missed it coming from pcars but now i want to tone it down a bit in pcars. I'm actually slowly transferring all your individual car settings to the in game settings so i can adjust things a bit easier.
The spring damper is at 30, I think i set it at that as it feels better in AC, turning it off doesn't seem to have helped. I will try the ddr & drf again but this was the first thing i tried without success.
I really need to try this as i definitely have this issue as you describe.
I have a TM300rs & i'm looking to upgrade just wondering weather to hold out for a DD or just get a clubsport. I don't think its wheel related as not in AC but yeah i have experimented with no scoops but didn't really feel great. My understanding though with no scoop is its more for high end wheels, been meaning to try the setting you posted a few pages ago though.
It could well be the game, its odd with ffb in any of these games where i notice things all of a sudden & can't figure if i changed something or if i just didn't channel into it in the first place.
I think Mz is the only thing i didn't mess with & could hold the key from what has been described in above posts as well. I need to finish transferring the JS setting over to the menu as i can't be doing with fiddling around with text files.
I know you said it feels better with the damper turned on but I would turn it off and probably adjust the ffb master. Most don't use spring and damper for sim racing because it adds a spring effect to the wheel and weight. I know I tried the setting for r3e from someone else with that turned on in the game at about the same level you have and that was the first thing I noticed. The heavy feeling around center. Turned it right back off. I know that was a big problem when pcars came out. They had it turned on for the t300 and it was horrible to drive. Very heavy around center and you really couldn't adjust it out properly.
I'm still on PS4, but after the "Dirt Rally Turnaround" (plugin wheel in ps3 mode and restart the game) and the new SonY 4.0.1 update, my FFB is now absolutely fantastic, based on morpwr's one ;-). same on AC, same on Dirt, wonderful feeling. I'm happy, I'm playing, racing, and the PC stuff will wait a little bit more now. But I will switch to PC, that's sure, I feel alone on console. And my kid will be happy to have the console more ;-)
That's where my console went. Youre going to love all the great options on pc when you make the switch. Sometimes its hard to decide which one to play.:)
I tried R3E the other week while i didn't have my VR i thought i would give it a go, I couldn't get the resolution to set right, the community on the forum where very helpful but in the end i just gave up with it. I know that has bugger all to do with your issue but its the first time i got stumped with a technical issue like that in ages.
What's wrong with your resolution?
GrimeyDog
04-10-2016, 23:49
What's wrong with your resolution?
FOR ME...imo Windows 1511 Gives a sharper/Crisper picture...this is probably due to the micro stuttering I'm getting.
For some reason it doesn't seem that MS is in a rush to fix this issue...
GrimeyDog
05-10-2016, 00:17
I tried R3E the other week while i didn't have my VR i thought i would give it a go, I couldn't get the resolution to set right, the community on the forum where very helpful but in the end i just gave up with it. I know that has bugger all to do with your issue but its the first time i got stumped with a technical issue like that in ages.
Did you try going into msconf & turning everything off? this normally narrows down windows issues for me as if its something running in the background it shows up. Also disconnecting all usbs, internet.
https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?threads/increasing-and-stabilizing-fps-in-all-the-games-windows-10-users.5767/
I was searching the forums i found this but its Not working for Me...maybe i did it wrong...I dunno... but i will just play FMH3 on the XB1 for now until they get things right...Dunno
it could be just me but All of the games have a tad bit of Micro stutter to them with 1607 update...They dont play as fluid and smoooth as they did on 1511...R3E just suffers the worst from it...It has nothing to do with SLI either many are reporting the same issues and just use a single card...just to make sure i disabled the SLI and restarted the PC and still same micro stuttering.
I was smart this time i backed up my stuff on a ext HDD and made a image disk so a Roll back is just Plug and Play.
All i can suggest is v_sync in game or GPU control panel.
GrimeyDog
05-10-2016, 02:21
All i can suggest is v_sync in game or GPU control panel.
I Tried that its a No Go... Dont Help at all... Its just Something thats off some where with 1607 for My System... I went through all of the settings...
Before i tried 1607 again i Made a Fresh to the Last Min Recovery/System Image Disk... I even Made 1 on a External HDD to make Double sure...
I played R3E and was Really Checking for Micro Stuttering there was None.....Even Made Note to really Study Pcars for Finer Detail... When upgrade to 1607 was Done i checked R3E and No Good Micro Stuttering... Its Mostly Notable while Driving in Car View or when you get Close to other Cars... its actually everything Micro Stutters it just Shows its self more with R3E... When i Move the Mouse across the screen you can see the Micro Stuttering also.
But... Tadaaa!!! That image CD i Made:yes: Well First i Ripped the update out with a Fresh instal from Reg windows 10 CD...15min... Then I just Ran the System Image Disk and everything is Exactly How it was upto the Min i hit upgrade to 1607.... All My Apps and all My Settings were there Total System Back to Norm:yes: I didnt even Have to Install The Wheel drivers again:cool:
I ran R3E soon as system was back up and its Silky Smooth again!!!
but the First thing i did was to Run "Winshow" so i can Hide/Block 1607 again!!! I actually Tested R33 after this...
EDIT: Random thought...Glad i opted to include a optical Drive!!! this would suck without a Disk Drive!!!
25min and Fresh install and System image Restore... I didnt have to Re do any Settings...other than Running Winshow to make sure 1607 was blocked again.
The only time i get any sort of stutter is if the frame rate drops below 60 while v_sync is on. If i can't get 60fps (only Crysis 3, 45fps) i just turn v_sync off and live with tearing.
RobboCod
05-10-2016, 10:35
I'm still on PS4, but after the "Dirt Rally Turnaround" (plugin wheel in ps3 mode and restart the game) and the new SonY 4.0.1 update, my FFB is now absolutely fantastic, based on morpwr's one ;-). same on AC, same on Dirt, wonderful feeling. I'm happy, I'm playing, racing, and the PC stuff will wait a little bit more now. But I will switch to PC, that's sure, I feel alone on console. And my kid will be happy to have the console more ;-)
Oh good! I didn't notice another update on my ps4 I usually get a prompt. Either way, we're back on track and I'm loving it. Happy racing!
I'm still on PS4, but after the "Dirt Rally Turnaround" (plugin wheel in ps3 mode and restart the game) and the new SonY 4.0.1 update, my FFB is now absolutely fantastic, based on morpwr's one ;-). same on AC, same on Dirt, wonderful feeling. I'm happy, I'm playing, racing, and the PC stuff will wait a little bit more now. But I will switch to PC, that's sure, I feel alone on console. And my kid will be happy to have the console more ;-)
Whenever you finally do decide to make the move, you're going to spend the first 30 minutes or so of PC play (at least) kicking yourself in the head for waiting so long. :)
Whenever you finally do decide to make the move, you're going to spend the first 30 minutes or so of PC play (at least) kicking yourself in the head for waiting so long. :)
I'm still doing that. Granted the consoles came along way but its like they are a dumbed down version of the real game. I cant imagine what this would be like in 4k with a dd wheel.
I'm still doing that. Granted the consoles came along way but its like they are a dumbed down version of the real game. I cant imagine what this would be like in 4k with a dd wheel.
Yep. And the more complex the game, the wider the gap will be between console and PC performance. I can't wait until Fanatec's new DD wheel comes out. If it's as well designed as the V2, I'm gonna be a very happy camper.
GrimeyDog
05-10-2016, 16:02
For what its worth FM Apex Feels pertty Much the same as FM6... Maybe just a Tad Better but Nothing to jump for joy about ... its still Missing that Sim Feel.
FMH3 seems like it will be alotta Fun!!!
GrimeyDog
05-10-2016, 20:25
Poirqc did you post the Video??? If so can you share the Link to it.
Yep. And the more complex the game, the wider the gap will be between console and PC performance. I can't wait until Fanatec's new DD wheel comes out. If it's as well designed as the V2, I'm gonna be a very happy camper.
Is there any solid confirmation the DD wheel is being released? I can't seem to find it on google but seen it mentioned here a few times.
GrimeyDog
05-10-2016, 21:16
probably Next year... thats what he said in the video...the guy asked him about it and he said that he would show him... the guy got excited and thomas said He said he just cant show the DD wheel this year... LOL.
you can skip to the 9:min if you dont have time to watch the whole video.
The good news is when ???;) asked him in the Blog would the current wheel rims work on the upcoming DD wheel he said yes he can already confirm that the DD wheels will work with the current wheel rims:yes:
https://youtu.be/JOeCJT4G0bw
Is there any solid confirmation the DD wheel is being released? I can't seem to find it on google but seen it mentioned here a few times.
Yep! There hasn't been any official press release-style statement, but one of the lead guys confirmed their upcoming DD wheel in a comment on the Fanatec blog. I think there was a link to it in this thread (probably a few week to a month back). I reposted the link somewhere else in the PCars forum, where a discussion was going about it. It's probably buried in that Fanatec blog by now.
Poirqc did you post the Video??? If so can you share the Link to it.
Yes, sadly the preview didn't show up there (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?38744-PC-PS4-amp-XBOX-1-Lets-talk-FFB-Compare-Telemetry-Videos-and-what-FFB-tweek-used&p=1308457&viewfull=1#post1308457). Maybe it's because i linked the video not from the start... i don't know
https://youtu.be/NOPBon4-7k8
That's where my console went. Youre going to love all the great options on pc when you make the switch. Sometimes its hard to decide which one to play.:)
Have you tried Spa in R3E? I've been working through a custom championship I created, and I had tossed Spa in, thinking it would be one of the gimme's, because I know the track pretty well. The layout's the same, but there's something about the perspective and overall feel of the track that's different from PCars. I find it to be more challenging in a good way.
Also, I discovered the setups don't seem to save when you're inside the custom championships. You can load an existing save, and you're setup changes will carry through from practice to quali to race (as long as you don't exit the session). But if you save, it will tell you it's saving, and even warn you of a file overwrite. But when come back or reload that setup, the changes aren't there. :confused:
Have you tried Spa in R3E? I've been working through a custom championship I created, and I had tossed Spa in, thinking it would be one of the gimme's, because I know the track pretty well. The layout's the same, but there's something about the perspective and overall feel of the track that's different from PCars. I find it to be more challenging in a good way.
Also, I discovered the setups don't seem to save when you're inside the custom championships. You can load an existing save, and you're setup changes will carry through from practice to quali to race (as long as you don't exit the session). But if you save, it will tell you it's saving, and even warn you of a file overwrite. But when come back or reload that setup, the changes aren't there. :confused:
I haven't yet but ive noticed that on a few of the tracks in r3e it looks the same but like you said the perspective is different. Ive always had a problem with the corner after the corkscrew at laguna seca. Its really hard to set that corner up because its so easy to overdrive it. 2 laps in r3e I was like :stupid:. It was so obvious what I had been doing wrong. Its weird you can pick stuff up from all 3 of these games thats useful in the others but you may not notice at first. I haven't changed anything yet in r3e but am I missing something? No air pressure in r3e?
GrimeyDog
05-10-2016, 23:52
That Mustang is Blazing Fast on any straight!!! even with no draft butif it can get any draft that thing Runs you down!!!
I haven't yet but ive noticed that on a few of the tracks in r3e it looks the same but like you said the perspective is different. Ive always had a problem with the corner after the corkscrew at laguna seca. Its really hard to set that corner up because its so easy to overdrive it. 2 laps in r3e I was like :stupid:. It was so obvious what I had been doing wrong. Its weird you can pick stuff up from all 3 of these games thats useful in the others but you may not notice at first. I haven't changed anything yet in r3e but am I missing something? No air pressure in r3e?
No. You're not. There's no tire pressure. Funny, because AC has tire pressure, but no brake pressure, and R3E has brake pressure...LOL
The tire physics in R3E do seem to be temp affected, though, but only go from cold to warm. If you use a dash app, you can see that they pretty much hold steady during the race. But the new Crew Chief update allows you to ask "How are my tire temps?" instead of "What are my tire temps?" If you ask how they are, you get a summary--cold or hot. I've had the Crew Chief tell me my left side tire were cold, so... IDK... I guess some temp physics are going on, you just can't do anything about tire pressure. I haven't messed with Camber or Toe yet, so I don't know if/how they affect temps.
Edit: I also agree. I learned things about tracks in one sim that I didn't spot in another, but it's still helpful. I've also noticed that the vertical load shift from track and kerb undulations seem to come through more in R3E, which I like. Of course, there's a slider for that specific feel, and I think I've got it set to 75%, so that's probably why. But it really improve the connected feel in the wheel.
GrimeyDog
06-10-2016, 10:35
Wheel used CSW v2
Ive been testing the FFB PC vs PS4 using TF/RAC 75 and they are pretty Much identical!!!
TF/RAC 75 has been Tested and is 100% a 1 to 1 port from PS4 to PC!!! The Feel is Sooo Much the same that in a Blind FFB test with PC Graphics at 1080p that Most will Not Know the Diff between PC & PS4 FFB... PC FFB seems to Give a tad bit More Subtle and Nuanced Feel but its barely Noticable...This is prob because PC processes More info faster.
I've been testing My No Scoop Settings with TF 75 reduced to TF 65 to compensate for the extra Power No Scoops Give PC & PS4:yes: Sooo far the Feel is the same but more testing is Needed.
also tested Body Scale to see if it will work with No Scoops but thats a No Go:no: Body Scale just will Not work No matter what settings used:saturn:
PC & PS4 are definitly Brother and Sister.
Xbox 1 seems to be the Odd ball because MS is using a New FFB protocol that just does Not give the same Feel as PC/PS4... While the XBox1 FFB can and will work with TF/RAC 75 its Not a 1 to 1 direct port... Im sure with proper adjustment to GM FFB and TF probably around 50 or so that XB1 FFB can and will feel Very Close to PC & PS4....
My Sons XB1 went down so i gave him Mine... this Means i cant test XB1 FFB until i decide to fix or buy a New XB1 for him... I dunno if XB1 is worth it im still debating the Matter:confused:....But what i Do Know is GM FFB 100 with XB1 is a 100% No Go:no:!!! The New MS FFB protocol is just Too Strong and the Power of the Stronger Forces Drowns out all of the subtle Feel...But im sure should time and Tweeking be put into XB1 the FFB can Be Made to Feel Really Good... The Feel is there it just Needs to be Shaped and Refined by Cutting the Powerful Forces through GM FFB & TF reductions.
probably Next year... thats what he said in the video...the guy asked him about it and he said that he would show him... the guy got excited and thomas said He said he just cant show the DD wheel this year... LOL.
you can skip to the 9:min if you dont have time to watch the whole video.
The good news is when ???;) asked him in the Blog would the current wheel rims work on the upcoming DD wheel he said yes he can already confirm that the DD wheels will work with the current wheel rims:yes:
https://youtu.be/JOeCJT4G0bw
hhm i'm not sure i'm gonna wait, he doesn't seem overly convinced in DD. I'm surprised he has said they are not smooth as i though DD could be smooth as well & cogs not noticeable. Perhaps the clubsport v2 is a better upgrade.
GrimeyDog
06-10-2016, 20:45
hhm i'm not sure i'm gonna wait, he doesn't seem overly convinced in DD. I'm surprised he has said they are not smooth as i though DD could be smooth as well & cogs not noticeable. Perhaps the clubsport v2 is a better upgrade.
Id say if your Looking for a upgrade soon then V2 is the way to go!!! The V2 is Sooo Smoooth and Strong that i struggle thinking to see where a DD wheel will be better.
I tryst Fanatec will make a DD wheel.it the way of the future... After the V2 they have Nothing else to Make but a DD wheel.... I will wait because existing Wheel rims will work with the Fanatec DD when it come out.
But Remember Fanatec Gear Has High Resale Value so you may upgrade Now and when the DD wheel Launches later you can Recoupe some of the upgrade cost.
I have heard DD is better but the V2 is Sooo Dam Good i Really wonder just how much better a DD could really be.
GrimeyDog
07-10-2016, 14:43
Happy Birthday To Me:yes:
Hmmm??? Now what would make a Great Bday Gift from Me to Me??? LOL.... Hmmmm... Button Box??? AMS??? Hmmm???
Happy Birthday man!
Enjoy it!
Happy Birthday To Me:yes:
Hmmm??? Now what would make a Great Bday Gift from Me to Me??? LOL.... Hmmmm... Button Box??? AMS??? Hmmm???
Happy Birthday Grimey!! Signing up for your aarp card yet?lol
No. You're not. There's no tire pressure. Funny, because AC has tire pressure, but no brake pressure, and R3E has brake pressure...LOL
The tire physics in R3E do seem to be temp affected, though, but only go from cold to warm. If you use a dash app, you can see that they pretty much hold steady during the race. But the new Crew Chief update allows you to ask "How are my tire temps?" instead of "What are my tire temps?" If you ask how they are, you get a summary--cold or hot. I've had the Crew Chief tell me my left side tire were cold, so... IDK... I guess some temp physics are going on, you just can't do anything about tire pressure. I haven't messed with Camber or Toe yet, so I don't know if/how they affect temps.
Edit: I also agree. I learned things about tracks in one sim that I didn't spot in another, but it's still helpful. I've also noticed that the vertical load shift from track and kerb undulations seem to come through more in R3E, which I like. Of course, there's a slider for that specific feel, and I think I've got it set to 75%, so that's probably why. But it really improve the connected feel in the wheel.
I haven't got any of the apps or mods yet but I really want to try the vir track. I need to try the lut one and I really miss crew chief in ac.Maybe ill see if I can get them to work tonight. That should be interesting.
I haven't got any of the apps or mods yet but I really want to try the vir track. I need to try the lut one and I really miss crew chief in ac.Maybe ill see if I can get them to work tonight. That should be interesting.
It's super simple. You just install it like you do any other program. Just make sure you install the two additional packs that are needed for voice.
Also, check out Helicorsa for AC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-QYiXwAUOM
For some reason Crew Chief doesn't spot very well in AC. It's a known issue, and he's working on it. The last update mentioned something about AC, so it might be fixed. I haven't played AC since the update. Crew Chief is more of a realistic experience, but Helicorsa is great, especially if you're going to race online.
Edit: Also what is vir track?
It's super simple. You just install it like you do any other program. Just make sure you install the two additional packs that are needed for voice.
Also, check out Helicorsa for AC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-QYiXwAUOM
For some reason Crew Chief doesn't spot very well in AC. It's a known issue, and he's working on it. The last update mentioned something about AC, so it might be fixed. I haven't played AC since the update. Crew Chief is more of a realistic experience, but Helicorsa is great, especially if you're going to race online.
Edit: Also what is vir track?
Virginia international raceway. The old riverside raceway looked pretty cool to. Have you found anyplace that is pretty much safe to get the mods and apps from?
Virginia international raceway. The old riverside raceway looked pretty cool to. Have you found anyplace that is pretty much safe to get the mods and apps from?
racedepartment.com
Virginia international raceway. The old riverside raceway looked pretty cool to. Have you found anyplace that is pretty much safe to get the mods and apps from?
Haven't really found/used too many places, Race Department's, Assetto Corsa Car Clubs, and ASR Formula Mods.
http://assettocorsa.club/en/
http://www.asrformula.com/
Edit: I think the AC Car Club is getting old, though. I think the ASR mods are really good and fun to drive.
Happy Birthday To Me:yes:
Hmmm??? Now what would make a Great Bday Gift from Me to Me??? LOL.... Hmmmm... Button Box??? AMS??? Hmmm???
Happy Birthday Mate, Mine was Wednesday.
How old are you?
GrimeyDog
08-10-2016, 10:06
47:cool:
Happy Bday to you also... How old did you turn???
Happy Birthday Mate, Mine was Wednesday.
How old are you?
Happy Birthday BigDad!!!
47:cool:
Happy Bday to you also... How old did you turn???
18.
Happy Birthday BigDad!!!
Thanks Mate , I'm really 41 but feel 18 ;-)
Finally got pCars for pc (Steam sale GOTY $28) and my ffb from ps4 translates well but after my many hours away with other sims i'm not sure how much i will play this .
The frame rate is so unstable, going from 85 all the way down to 48 all in one lap . I tried playing with settings and can get it more stable but it just jumps around so much more than anything else .
Well i've got it and all the DLC again so i might venture back at a later date .
Thanks Mate , I'm really 41 but feel 18 ;-)
Finally got pCars for pc (Steam sale GOTY $28) and my ffb from ps4 translates well but after my many hours away with other sims i'm not sure how much i will play this .
The frame rate is so unstable, going from 85 all the way down to 48 all in one lap . I tried playing with settings and can get it more stable but it just jumps around so much more than anything else .
Well i've got it and all the DLC again so i might venture back at a later date .
I'm kind of feeling the same lately. It feels good, and I can jump from other games back to PCars, but it's no longer my favorite in terms of FFB feel. I've mostly been playing online with PCars, and then switching to something else for single player. But there are a few tracks that I really miss. :(
For the most part, my frame rates in PCars are stable, but there are a few tracks with sections where I get a little fluctuation. Nothing that extreme, though. Outside storm conditions, 58 fps is the lowest I've seen it drop, and there are only a few tracks/sections where it happens. One thing I found was that the NVidia software recommends SMAA for optimal PCars settings, but FXAA actually delivered a more stable frame rate for me.
Thanks Mate , I'm really 41 but feel 18 ;-)
Finally got pCars for pc (Steam sale GOTY $28) and my ffb from ps4 translates well but after my many hours away with other sims i'm not sure how much i will play this .
The frame rate is so unstable, going from 85 all the way down to 48 all in one lap . I tried playing with settings and can get it more stable but it just jumps around so much more than anything else .
Well i've got it and all the DLC again so i might venture back at a later date .
I'm kind of feeling the same lately. It feels good, and I can jump from other games back to PCars, but it's no longer my favorite in terms of FFB feel. I've mostly been playing online with PCars, and then switching to something else for single player. But there are a few tracks that I really miss. :(
For the most part, my frame rates in PCars are stable, but there are a few tracks with sections where I get a little fluctuation. Nothing that extreme, though. Outside storm conditions, 58 fps is the lowest I've seen it drop, and there are only a few tracks/sections where it happens. One thing I found was that the NVidia software recommends SMAA for optimal PCars settings, but FXAA actually delivered a more stable frame rate for me.
It's the other way around for me. I've spent so much time in the FFB menu of pCars, that i keep coming back to it.
Even if the other sims can equal or better pCars on paper, i just don't have the time and willingness of fine tuning them to the same lvl i did with pCars.
And well, racing against Grimeydog is really fun so i'm a happy camper with pCars.
Thanks Mate , I'm really 41 but feel 18 ;-)
Finally got pCars for pc (Steam sale GOTY $28) and my ffb from ps4 translates well but after my many hours away with other sims i'm not sure how much i will play this .
The frame rate is so unstable, going from 85 all the way down to 48 all in one lap . I tried playing with settings and can get it more stable but it just jumps around so much more than anything else .
Well i've got it and all the DLC again so i might venture back at a later date .
I haven't had any issues with pcars but I'm really hooked on r3e right now. Especially after turning down the vertical force last night. Ran a lot of races last night with big grids and it was a blast. I do agree with Haiden though its much better when you just set the ai level. Somewhere around 90-100 seems to work well on most tracks. I love the fact the ai will rough you up and battle hard for a corner.The first time it happened I was like wtf did he just hit me?:) Makes for very realistic racing. And the sound when you crank up the surround is amazing except for the backfire part.If they could just use acs backfire when getting off the gas it would be perfect. If pcars just fixes a few issues in pcars2 it will easily be one of the best but it just misses it a little now compared to some of the others. I still love it though its the whole reason I went pc.:cool:
It's the other way around for me. I've spent so much time in the FFB menu of pCars, that i keep coming back to it.
Even if the other sims can equal or better pCars on paper, i just don't have the time and willingness of fine tuning them to the same lvl i did with pCars.
And well, racing against Grimeydog is really fun so i'm a happy camper with pCars.
That's the thing. After pcars the others don't take anywheres near as much time to get good ffb. Especially seeing you know what youre looking for feel already.Having options is really nice instead of only having one good game for a change on consoles. I had an absolute blast last night running the chevy cruze in r3e.
Masculins All weather + Road Cars, especially 4wds = Super fun in pCars! :D
I meant in heavy rain !
GrimeyDog
08-10-2016, 18:48
IMO Pcars is Still the Best...with a lttle tweek majic I can Make PCars FFB Feel like all the other Games... R3E, AC etc....do for Me its just about what Tracks i feel like running... I wish Pcars had Mugello and a few other tracks!!!
IMO Pcars is Still the Best...with a lttle tweek majic I can Make PCars FFB Feel like all the other Games... R3E, AC etc....do for Me its just about what Tracks i feel like running... I wish Pcars had Mugello and a few other tracks!!!
That's the thing. Once you get them set up they all feel very similar so you can pretty easily jump between games. I don't change anything between any of the games just turn it on and play. I actually think r3e and pcars feel the closest with ac being really close. The ai in r3e is just soooo good though.
I haven't had any issues with pcars but I'm really hooked on r3e right now. Especially after turning down the vertical force last night. Ran a lot of races last night with big grids and it was a blast. I do agree with Haiden though its much better when you just set the ai level. Somewhere around 90-100 seems to work well on most tracks. I love the fact the ai will rough you up and battle hard for a corner.The first time it happened I was like wtf did he just hit me?:) Makes for very realistic racing. And the sound when you crank up the surround is amazing except for the backfire part.If they could just use acs backfire when getting off the gas it would be perfect. If pcars just fixes a few issues in pcars2 it will easily be one of the best but it just misses it a little now compared to some of the others. I still love it though its the whole reason I went pc.:cool:
That's the thing. Once you get them set up they all feel very similar so you can pretty easily jump between games. I don't change anything between any of the games just turn it on and play. I actually think r3e and pcars feel the closest with ac being really close. The ai in r3e is just soooo good though.
I'm hooked on R3E, too. It's not a better or worse thing for me. I just seem to be gravitating toward it more right now. And miss it when I playing something else. It's more than just one aspect of the game. It's the overall experience in R3E that I like a lot. I still like PCars, might just be the fact that I've playing it for so long that makes me lean toward others. It might change down the road, when I've got as many hours in R3E. But right now, it's a lot of fun. The AI behavior in R3E is pretty good, though. That's one thing that I can say is actually better than the others.
You're right, though. The FFB doesn't take long to sort out after all the learning and fiddling I did with PCars. It took less than an hour to get R3E and AC's FFB dialed in.
GrimeyDog
08-10-2016, 22:11
That's the thing. Once you get them set up they all feel very similar so you can pretty easily jump between games. I don't change anything between any of the games just turn it on and play. I actually think r3e and pcars feel the closest with ac being really close. The ai in r3e is just soooo good though.
Im Still Sorting thr FFB for R3E Feels Good but i think i have been spoiled by Pcars FFB!!!
The PC No Scoops Really set Pcars FFB to a Higher Level for Me!!!
Im Still testing No Scoops on PS4... Sooo Far I dunno... No Scoops on PS4 is Not the same Feel as No Scoops on Pc... Infact PS4 Scoops on Feels Closer to the No Scoops Feel on PC!!! I have to Restest everything tnough before i make a Final decision because i just upgraded to the New Fanatec Wheel FW.... But as it is Now i Reccomend PC Scoops Off and PS4 Scoops on.
Im Still Sorting thr FFB for R3E Feels Good but i think i have been spoiled by Pcars FFB!!! The No Scoops Really set Pcars FFB to a Higher Level for Me!!! Im Still testing No Scoops on PS4... Sooo Far I dunno... No Scoops on PS4 is Not the same Feel as No Scoops on Pc... Infact PS4 Scoops on Feels Closer to the No Scoops Feel on PC!!! I have to Restest everything tnough before i make a Final decision because i just upgraded to the New Fanatec Wheel FW.... But as it is Now i Reccomend PC Scoops Off and PS4 Scoops on.
Be careful with the vertical setting in r3e it will drown out the other forces if set to high. Id start with a low number like 50 and go from there.
I'm hooked on R3E, too. It's not a better or worse thing for me. I just seem to be gravitating toward it more right now. And miss it when I playing something else. It's more than just one aspect of the game. It's the overall experience in R3E that I like a lot. I still like PCars, might just be the fact that I've playing it for so long that makes me lean toward others. It might change down the road, when I've got as many hours in R3E. But right now, it's a lot of fun. The AI behavior in R3E is pretty good, though. That's one thing that I can say is actually better than the others.
You're right, though. The FFB doesn't take long to sort out after all the learning and fiddling I did with PCars. It took less than an hour to get R3E and AC's FFB dialed in.
For me its the ai. They fight each other,make mistakes,block and basically act really lifelike. The big grids are a plus too. I really enjoy fighting through the bigger grids.
For me its the ai. They fight each other,make mistakes,block and basically act really lifelike. The big grids are a plus too. I really enjoy fighting through the bigger grids.
They defend really well. The I saw first time I saw the AI take a strategic line, I wasn't expecting it and didn't know what the hell he was doing...LOL. I tried to go around, but when I peaked left, there wasn't enough room. I peak right for the inside, but didn't really have the room either, and then it hit me... holy crap! The AI is making himself wide...LOL I've been held to 2nd, 3rd, or 4th place a number simply because I couldn't get around the AI even though I had the better pace.
I'm hooked on R3E, too. It's not a better or worse thing for me. I just seem to be gravitating toward it more right now. And miss it when I playing something else. It's more than just one aspect of the game. It's the overall experience in R3E that I like a lot. I still like PCars, might just be the fact that I've playing it for so long that makes me lean toward others. It might change down the road, when I've got as many hours in R3E. But right now, it's a lot of fun. The AI behavior in R3E is pretty good, though. That's one thing that I can say is actually better than the others.
You're right, though. The FFB doesn't take long to sort out after all the learning and fiddling I did with PCars. It took less than an hour to get R3E and AC's FFB dialed in.
This is me but for Automobilista. Really can't stop playing especially now I've got the Beta. It's got alot of extras that will eventually make to the retail version but seems to be better optimised and has it's own version of Crew Chief built in.
Going into nVidia inspector and turning on 2x sparce grid just eliminates all signs of aa and the picture is as smooth as silk and frame rate is rock solid. And the Ai is as good as the next but the ffb is possibly the best of any.
Also you can feel the rubber build up on the outside of the track, the steering starts to feel slightly lumpy as you drive off line and starts to come clean again as you move back on line and if you lock up and flat spot your tyre you get a definite vibration until you pit. It feels just right. Amazing.
With pCars even with smaa and aa turned to x4 there is still alisasing all over the place. At 4k there shouldn't be the need for all these aa settings to be maxed to get rid of it but even then it's not gone. Shimmering everywhere, really ugly.
Be careful with the vertical setting in r3e it will drown out the other forces if set to high. Id start with a low number like 50 and go from there.
Agree and also the bottom four setting are all canned (shift and engine effect and the other two) and really detract from the rest and imo are best left at zero.
This is me but for Automobilista. Really can't stop playing especially now I've got the Beta. It's got alot of extras that will eventually make to the retail version but seems to be better optimised and has it's own version of Crew Chief built in.
Going into nVidia inspector and turning on 2x sparce grid just eliminates all signs of aa and the picture is as smooth as silk and frame rate is rock solid. And the Ai is as good as the next but the ffb is possibly the best of any.
Also you can feel the rubber build up on the outside of the track, the steering starts to feel slightly lumpy as you drive off line and starts to come clean again as you move back on line and if you lock up and flat spot your tyre you get a definite vibration until you pit. It feels just right. Amazing.
With pCars even with smaa and aa turned to x4 there is still alisasing all over the place. At 4k there shouldn't be the need for all these aa settings to be maxed to get rid of it but even then it's not gone. Shimmering everywhere, really ugly.
The AA is terrible in PCars. I thought it would be better on PC, but it's still glaringly obvious. I can't stand the shimmer. I really hope they do something about it in PCars2.
I'm going to give AMS another try during the upcoming holiday break. I'll have more time to get it sorted out. When I first tried it, I wasn't really in the mood to spend a lot of time tweaking another game out, and I probably gave up too quickly. I just wanted to race. :)
The AA is terrible in PCars. I thought it would be better on PC, but it's still glaringly obvious. I can't stand the shimmer. I really hope they do something about it in PCars2.
I'm going to give AMS another try during the upcoming holiday break. I'll have more time to get it sorted out. When I first tried it, I wasn't really in the mood to spend a lot of time tweaking another game out, and I probably gave up too quickly. I just wanted to race. :)
I think given a chance you will love it as i think any person who likes racing Sims would .
it definitely takes a bit of getting used to . The menu's need some love ,maybe someone has or will make a content manager like they have done foe AC .
My wheel needs deadzone removal and it is not in the menu's but is in the files so you need to modify files ? seems really weird after coming from console where everything is accessible. but with google and forums i figured it out and it made a heck of a difference .
i like it enough to spend another $25 on the season pass and now play the beta instead of the retail .Although i have filled up the retail with mods and have not tried putting them in the beta .Soon enough the beta will roll over to retail.but for now getting access to early content is a plus.
I think given a chance you will love it as i think any person who likes racing Sims would .
it definitely takes a bit of getting used to . The menu's need some love ,maybe someone has or will make a content manager like they have done foe AC .
My wheel needs deadzone removal and it is not in the menu's but is in the files so you need to modify files ? seems really weird after coming from console where everything is accessible. but with google and forums i figured it out and it made a heck of a difference .
i like it enough to spend another $25 on the season pass and now play the beta instead of the retail .Although i have filled up the retail with mods and have not tried putting them in the beta .Soon enough the beta will roll over to retail.but for now getting access to early content is a plus.
The need to manually edit the config files, was where I gave up. It felt like I was about to climb down another rabbit hole, and I just didn't have the time to or motivation to invest. That's why I'm waiting until the holidays, when things slow down. The graphics were the other thing, though. It looks a bit dated. But the FFB and track evolution is what really gets my attention. I'd like to see more cars in the garage, though. It was pretty open wheel and stock car heavy. Open wheel is definitely a favorite of mine, but I'm not into stock cars or karts, and only dabble with the WTCC classes. So didn't leave much in the garage for me. Do you know if they are going to be adding new content soon? When do think a new retail version will be available?
They defend really well. The I saw first time I saw the AI take a strategic line, I wasn't expecting it and didn't know what the hell he was doing...LOL. I tried to go around, but when I peaked left, there wasn't enough room. I peak right for the inside, but didn't really have the room either, and then it hit me... holy crap! The AI is making himself wide...LOL I've been held to 2nd, 3rd, or 4th place a number simply because I couldn't get around the AI even though I had the better pace.
I love that fact about r3e. It really adds to the immersion because you have to think about where to stick your nose in. Ive had a couple races now where I screwed myself because I chose wrong. Sometimes you just have to deal with the fact there are only a couple of good passing spots and if the car in front isn't giving you anything your stuck in your position. Not one of my stronger points but its forcing me to improve there or pay the consequence.lol
Agree and also the bottom four setting are all canned (shift and engine effect and the other two) and really detract from the rest and imo are best left at zero.
I do use them but at very low settings. They are set way too high default. You should feel the shift in a high hp car but it was ridiculous at the default setting.
The need to manually edit the config files, was where I gave up. It felt like I was about to climb down another rabbit hole, and I just didn't have the time to or motivation to invest. That's why I'm waiting until the holidays, when things slow down. The graphics were the other thing, though. It looks a bit dated. But the FFB and track evolution is what really gets my attention. I'd like to see more cars in the garage, though. It was pretty open wheel and stock car heavy. Open wheel is definitely a favorite of mine, but I'm not into stock cars or karts, and only dabble with the WTCC classes. So didn't leave much in the garage for me. Do you know if they are going to be adding new content soon? When do think a new retail version will be available?
I actually got the wtcc cars for r3e the other night and really enjoyed it. I wasn't sure at first but after driving them I ran them a bunch the other night.
The need to manually edit the config files, was where I gave up. It felt like I was about to climb down another rabbit hole, and I just didn't have the time to or motivation to invest. That's why I'm waiting until the holidays, when things slow down. The graphics were the other thing, though. It looks a bit dated. But the FFB and track evolution is what really gets my attention. I'd like to see more cars in the garage, though. It was pretty open wheel and stock car heavy. Open wheel is definitely a favorite of mine, but I'm not into stock cars or karts, and only dabble with the WTCC classes. So didn't leave much in the garage for me. Do you know if they are going to be adding new content soon? When do think a new retail version will be available?
The change i needed to do in the files was very minor and easy once i knew what to adjust , the csw v2 shouldnt even need it .My deadzone removal needs 0.14 from fcm /wheelcheck . Apart from this there are only three adjustments and the ffb is sorted . Wheel weight / ffb strength , Min Force and canned or not canned . Pure 360 or Pure 180 are recommended .
If like me you use cockpit cam then the graphics are quite good , my Wife and my oldest Son both think it is possibly the most realistic looking sim i've got ,not the prettiest but real and after about 2-4 laps i tend to agree . Especially after downloading nVidia inspector and setting 4x sparse grid supersampling .
As for new content this month there is
"The Brit pack" with
Brands Hatch ,
Oulton Park ,
cadwell park ,
Ultima GTR Road/race ,
Caterham Several models ,
MCR Sports 2000 ,
Formula Trainer (Formula Ford clone).
Available now in Beta .
Also they have a road map planned 1 pack a month till march i think then hopefully the new one using Unreal engine .
Question for you guys. Do I drag a mod over then open it or open it then drag it over to the appropriate file?
I actually got the wtcc cars for r3e the other night and really enjoyed it. I wasn't sure at first but after driving them I ran them a bunch the other night.
Oh, I don't dislike WTCC, I just haven't gotten around to it. Right now I'm having a great custom Championship run with the GT2 in R3E. Once that's over, I'll probably run one with LMP2, , then try a DTM and GT3 Experience Championship. I'm sure I'll buy a WTCC car soon and start taking it for a spin. :)
Question for you guys. Do I drag a mod over then open it or open it then drag it over to the appropriate file?
I usually extract them from the archive first, and then drop the folders/files into place. But, I've done it both ways, you can drag them right out of the archive and into the appropriate directory if you want to. Although, I admit, the latter isn't my preferred way, and could cause issues, because when there are multiple folders, they aren't always in the appropriate hierarchy.
The change i needed to do in the files was very minor and easy once i knew what to adjust , the csw v2 shouldnt even need it .My deadzone removal needs 0.14 from fcm /wheelcheck . Apart from this there are only three adjustments and the ffb is sorted . Wheel weight / ffb strength , Min Force and canned or not canned . Pure 360 or Pure 180 are recommended .
If like me you use cockpit cam then the graphics are quite good , my Wife and my oldest Son both think it is possibly the most realistic looking sim i've got ,not the prettiest but real and after about 2-4 laps i tend to agree . Especially after downloading nVidia inspector and setting 4x sparse grid supersampling .
As for new content this month there is
"The Brit pack" with
Brands Hatch ,
Oulton Park ,
cadwell park ,
Ultima GTR Road/race ,
Caterham Several models ,
MCR Sports 2000 ,
Formula Trainer (Formula Ford clone).
Available now in Beta .
Also they have a road map planned 1 pack a month till march i think then hopefully the new one using Unreal engine .
Yeah... the Fanatec claims no deadzone on the V2, but the FCM shows anywhere from .03 - .05. And whenever I try to go with 0, the center is numb. I'll give it another go soon.
Is there an FFB meter? I couldn't find it when I tried it before, but later read that it's in the options? Is that right? I'm assuming it's on or off, then when driving?
Power supply and cable slack are in the red box at the bottom, which has its own open air intake and fan exhaust to help keep heat from the PSU out of the main case. Lots of room for expansion, too. :)
GrimeyDog
09-10-2016, 18:52
Holy Crap!!! What Ro k Have i Been Living under!!!
Im just Eealizing My TV Supports UHD 4096 x 2160!!! Holy Crap!!! Nope i didnt Read the Instruction Booklet i mean the TV E manual... LOL.
Holy Crap... The picture is Notably Smoother than 3840 x 2160 with Not a Single FPS Loss and even better picture performanc!!!... This was purplexing Me because i figured Higher Resolution that i would have to Readjust some graphics detail settings.... it turns out that if your TV can.put out 4096 x 2160 that you will get a performance gain because it scales better... dont ask Me the #'s Break down but its supposed to be 4k HD(QHD) is exactly 4 times larger than 1080p so the scaling is better because of the exactly even # break down... I dunno Looks a Tad Crisper but Picture Fluidity/Smoothnes is Notably better with Not a Single FPS Loss!!!
GrimeyDog
09-10-2016, 19:53
After weeks of reading how Much Big Dad loves Automobilista i bought it and the season pass:yes:...While its Not the game with the best Graphics the racing and FFB Feel i find to be really Good... The track and car selection is huge!!! The FFB is good to Go right from the start!!! Which brings to mind that Futile debate about canned VS Not canned FFB...As i have always stated as long as it feels good who cares if its canned or not:confused: I surely don't...IMO its all canned because it is a digital representation of reality and there are just some things that we don't yet have the tec to accurately simulate.
Cheers Big Dad... Big Dad once again Blazes a new trail:yes: Question Big dad what are you Graphics settings with Automobilista??? 1080p or UHD
with UHD the FPS is Not Very stable IMO...it fluctuates and it really shows iim thinking because its Not built for best graphics anyway the it would be best to play it in 1080p with all settings maxed out...1080p all settings maxed out and it stays pinned to 60FPS and runs much smoother.
BTW i was setting up Automobilista trying to figure out the best resolution to play it in when decided to read My TV Emanual to Check for the TV's supported resolutions and found out it does 4096 x 2160:encouragement: LOL
GrimeyDog
09-10-2016, 20:07
Morpwr if you would like to try a Sample of Automobilista to see what its like go to the steam store and down load "Copa Petrobras de Marcas" Its free...This is 1 of the Racing packs in Automobilista... Im really Big on WTCC touring car racing!!!
http://store.steampowered.com/app/359800/
Grimey that resolution is 8K. Better stick to 4K :)
GrimeyDog
09-10-2016, 21:51
Grimey that resolution is 8K. Better stick to 4K :)
Nope that's still 4k... 4096 - 3840 is only 256 seems to be only pixels more...Dont quote me i could be wrong but that's the math...
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/174221-no-tv-makers-4k-and-uhd-are-not-the-same-thing
there are a few complicated answers but it basically all boils down to scaling to keep the same aspect ratio as 1080p... that matters in film and video... but because we are playing digitally rendered content there is really No up or down scaling to do...If your TV will put out that res then it just takes it and fill in the extra pixel with extra detail...just a tad bit more detail than 3840..Its not about a huge resolution gain they both look pretty much the same...the 4096 seems to have a more fluidity of motion to the picture and No FPS were lost... Ive tested Pcars, Dirt Rally, R3E all with ultra settings and they all look like they flow smoother especially in the corners... the back ground really just flows along smooother IMO....
8K resolution
http://www.bing.com/th?id=A3adc722e763076d8b83f4b60812ee34d&w=110&h=110&c=7&rs=1&qlt=80&pcl=f9f9f9&cdv=1&pid=16.1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8K_resolution)
8K resolution or 8K UHD is the current highest ultra high definition television (UHDTV) resolution in digital television and digital cinematography. 8K refers to the horizontal resolution in the order of 8,000 pixels, forming the total image dimensions of (7680×4320).
GrimeyDog
10-10-2016, 02:30
Random lobby Great Race with Poirqc!!! We battled for the spot till the end!!!
That Dam Mustang is fast as F*&% in the Straights!!! Poirqc gets it through the corners nice too!!!
https://youtu.be/PUo5NZpmIb0
After weeks of reading how Much Big Dad loves Automobilista i bought it and the season pass:yes:...While its Not the game with the best Graphics the racing and FFB Feel i find to be really Good... The track and car selection is huge!!! The FFB is good to Go right from the start!!! Which brings to mind that Futile debate about canned VS Not canned FFB...As i have always stated as long as it feels good who cares if its canned or not:confused: I surely don't...IMO its all canned because it is a digital representation of reality and there are just some things that we don't yet have the tec to accurately simulate.
Cheers Big Dad... Big Dad once again Blazes a new trail:yes: Question Big dad what are you Graphics settings with Automobilista??? 1080p or UHD
with UHD the FPS is Not Very stable IMO...it fluctuates and it really shows iim thinking because its Not built for best graphics anyway the it would be best to play it in 1080p with all settings maxed out...1080p all settings maxed out and it stays pinned to 60FPS and runs much smoother.
BTW i was setting up Automobilista trying to figure out the best resolution to play it in when decided to read My TV Emanual to Check for the TV's supported resolutions and found out it does 4096 x 2160:encouragement: LOL
I have AMS maxes out in UHD but shadows at medium and v-sync on in configuration tool but fps limit in game at 150 . Frame rate is smooth no fluctuation at all .
In GPU control panel have all aa settings to full and nVidia inspector 4x sparse grid supersample .
There is a guide or manual in Steam , Right click the AMS icon and open manual .
Edit:Sorry wrong pic.
OOPS Wrong pic now i cant delete the pic , will try later to add pic of control panel and inspector settings .
Nope that's still 4k...
Huh yea, I got totally confused there for a moment.
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There you are Grimey , what a mission ,but figured it out . lol
Setting like this ,for me gives best image and frame rate stability.
Random lobby Great Race with Poirqc!!! We battled for the spot till the end!!!
That Dam Mustang is fast as F*&% in the Straights!!! Poirqc gets it through the corners nice too!!!
https://youtu.be/PUo5NZpmIb0
Sorry guys I was having technical difficulties yesterday. Steam kept telling me ac was already running when I hadn't started it yet. Anybody have any idea what and where watchdog is? I'm getting an error message saying watchdog may have been reset to default?
Sorry guys I was having technical difficulties yesterday. Steam kept telling me ac was already running when I hadn't started it yet. Anybody have any idea what and where watchdog is? I'm getting an error message saying watchdog may have been reset to default?
A Windows error, or Steam error? That's the complete/exact error message?
Sorry guys I was having technical difficulties yesterday. Steam kept telling me ac was already running when I hadn't started it yet. Anybody have any idea what and where watchdog is? I'm getting an error message saying watchdog may have been reset to default?
I had that error when pCars would crash. Even if the game wasn't running anymore. A simple restart fix this.
GrimeyDog
10-10-2016, 13:37
Bring up task Master when that happens and Stop the application Manually....that happens...Some times you click the app but its slow to respond and you click it again so the PC trys to launch the app 2x.
GrimeyDog
10-10-2016, 13:41
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There you are Grimey , what a mission ,but figured it out . lol
Setting like this ,for me gives best image and frame rate stability.
Thnx i will try this.... If i can Ever Pull Myself away from Pcars all will be Fine...LOL
I was Doung R3E yesterday and pretty Much have the FFB sorted Now.... I needed to add SPR & DPR back in... I dont like My wheel center Loose... That causes Me to Constantly over steer.
Just Too Many Games and Not enough time.
Guys, could we keep this thread for discussing pCARS FFB settings and discuss other games in the Off Topic section? Thanks :)
GrimeyDog
10-10-2016, 15:00
Guys, could we keep this thread for discussing pCARS FFB settings and discuss other games in the Off Topic section? Thanks :)
No Problem...
Ok People ... Lets Keep it on Track Please.
GrimeyDog
10-10-2016, 15:58
Guys, could we keep this thread for discussing pCARS FFB settings and discuss other games in the Off Topic section? Thanks :)
I Must say that Pcars FFB has Come a Long way!!!
For Me Balancing the Global Settings with TF/RAC 75 was the Key:yes: This allows in Car Masters to be set at 100 without Fear of Clipping... To fine tune the Tweek to Individual taste the user can set Fx,Fy,Fz,Mz & SOP to bring out the feel that thay want Most then + or - the Car Masters to set the Wheel weight/ FFB strength per Car as Needed.... For Me I find that the Same Fx,Fy,Fz,Mz settings work very well with Every Car... IMO the In Car FFB settings only define how you Feel the Road Bumps , Curbs etc. they are Not Ment to be used to try to Make the Car Handle better.... Using tbis Method i can Drive all Cars with Stock suspension tune and all Cars perform According to their unique and individual Handling Characteristics:yes: IMO there is No Need to try complict the FFB trying to Calculate Physics on top if Game Physics that have already beenCalculated and pre programmed into Pcars... It just as simple as Knowng the feel that each setting Controls and + or - to bring out the feel that the user likes Most.
Pcars FFB appears to be very Complicated but Its Not that Complex once you understand what settings to + or - to bring out the feel you want.
These are Just My thoughts Bo Need for Debate...
IMO the FFB was Made to seem more Complex than it actually is because
1) there were No instructions that gave users a Clear understanding of what does what.
2) Because there was No Clear FFB Blue print or FFB Template IMO there were and are alot of False teachings being Followed that Clearly Complicate the FFB tweeking process.... Ex: Fx Gives very Little Road Feel:yes: Fx represents the tire feel from Front to back... Fx is a very strong Force that will Drown out/Negate other FFB feel when set too High... This is Simple to test set Fx to 10 and Fy to 50... Test for Feel...Move Fx to 30 test for Feel... you will see that your Fy(Side Load) feel has decreased:yes: Now set Fx to 50 and test for Feel you will see that you have close to No Fy feeling at all:yes: Conclusion IMO is that Fx Must be set Liwer than Fy to bring out best FFB feel:yes:
No Need to Debate ...This is a Very simple Test that any 1 can do to prove this theory True or False.
Also i find that using No Scoops on PC has a much better feel than it does on PS4... Maybe because PC can put out More FFB Dynamic Range Quicker than PS4:confused: the diff is in the wheel center and its hard to pin point exactly what and why but PC scoops Off and PS4 scoops on FFB Feel is almost 1 to 1.
GrimeyDog
10-10-2016, 16:09
Guys, could we keep this thread for discussing pCARS FFB settings and discuss other games in the Off Topic section? Thanks :)
We are always here to answer any question that any 1 post about FFB...
I am Ready for the Next FFB Break through... My Latest test was trying Body scale with No Scoops... but That was a No Go:no: Body Scale is Still a unsolved Mystery.
Are you sure you didn't copy-paste this message from one of your post before, just so you please the moderators?? This looks awefully familiar!
GrimeyDog
10-10-2016, 19:59
Are you sure you didn't copy-paste this message from one of your post before, just so you please the moderators?? This looks awefully familiar!
LOL!!! I wish i would have been that smart:yes: you know how long it took Me to type that up on My phone... I woulda saved My self more than a few min:stupid: LOL
LOL!!! I wish i would have been that smart:yes: you know how long it took Me to type that up on My phone... I woulda saved My self more than a few min:stupid: LOL
I don't get how you type all those long post with a damn cell phone. God i hate texting on those! :D I mean, it's like you're auto punishing yourself! Be easy on you Grimey. You don't deserve that!
spacepadrille
11-10-2016, 07:26
Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect Grimey of typing these longs posts on his phone while he is at work... ;-)
You're great, Grimey !
GrimeyDog
11-10-2016, 11:08
Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect Grimey of typing these longs posts on his phone while he is at work... ;-)
You're great, Grimey !
100% Correct:yes: i gotta make the work day interesring some how. LOL
If you take a thread off-topic, at least have the decency to turn it into a car-request thread :p
If you take a thread off-topic, at least have the decency to turn it into a car-request thread :p
Id like all the cars from the trans am era:)
Roger Prynne
11-10-2016, 16:21
I'd like all the BTCC cars and tracks :chuncky:
GrimeyDog
11-10-2016, 16:56
I'd like all the BTCC cars and tracks :chuncky:
I wish the BTCC cars and Tracks were in Pcars!!!! Even just Give Me the BTCC Cars!!! and I'd be Happy
I wish all the cars from Automobilista/Raceroom where in pCars or the other way round.
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