Project CARS PC Patch 5.0 Release Notes

[Stephen Viljoen]

Hi guys,

We plan to roll out the PC version of patch 5 over the course of today. In the meantime, here are the release notes.


Project CARS – PC Patch 5.0 – Release notes

Online
* Enforce fixed (default) setups – fixed cases where enabling this would still allow players to use custom setups. Enabled the player's custom controller settings to still be used when using fixed setups.
* Mojave layouts – fixed an issue where, if the host were disqualified, it would force end-of-race for everyone.
* Fixed an issue with tyre choices being ignored during pit stops.

Physics & AI
* Improved AI behaviour in pit lanes to further reduce cars hitting the pit walls when driving out of the garages.
* Fixed an issue where cars under AI control would struggle to drive correctly on tracks with high banking.
* Fixed an issue where some car parts that were dislodged during a collision would not be removed when the track is cleared.

Career
* Fixed an issue where the maximum amount of contract and invitation emails could be exceeded with DLC installed, resulting in the player not being notified of newly unlocked contract offers and invitational events.

Controls
* Fixed a bug on the splash screen where the controller used to press the A Button to start was not selected as the current controller.
* Logitech G29/G920 – updated default controller map sets for the layouts to be consistent between wheels and across platforms.
* Logitech G920 – fixed an issue with the gearshift mapping.
* Removed default assignments for wipers and lights, as this was disabling the wipers/lights turning on automatically when it started raining or got dark.

Tracks
* Nürburgring GP, Sprint, Sprint Short – fixed an issue that caused issues for cars pitting in the first pit spot.
* Nordschleife – fixed an issue that caused cars to get stuck against the pit wall when driving in the pit lane.
* Nürburgring Sprint Short – fixed a cut track issue at the NGK Chicane.
* Barcelona GP – fixed cut track issue when entering the pit lane.
* Watkins Glen – improved overall track performance to address frame rate drops in certain areas.

Vehicles
* Aston Martin Vantage GTE – tweaked cockpit exposure to work better with rainy conditions.
* Aston Martin DBR 1-2 – set the car up so that the steering wheel remains in a static state when the user chooses the ‘hide wheel’ option, so that the user can still read the vital info displayed on the wheel.
* Aston Martin DBR1 1959 – fixed an issue where the wrong helmet was displayed when using Helmet View, tweaked inertia and roll stiffness to improve collision behaviour.
* Audi 90 IMSA GTO, Audi R8 V10 plus, Ruf Rt 12R – fixed an issue where the KERS bar would appear on the HUD of these cars, even though they don’t have KERS.
* BMW 320 Turbo – fixed an issue where the car would start 'wandering' in straight lines after a few laps.
* Bentley Continental GT3 – updated engine and minimum ride height to match latest; mapped real world balance of performance; updated gearbox ratios to current FIA specifications, putting it more in line with the other GT3 cars.
* Ford Mustang GT – improve braking power to better match the car's weight.
* Ginetta G40 – partial fix for front tires overheating if pressure goes over 1.8bar.
* Historic Lotus Formula cars – improved the Helmet View exposure settings
* Lotus 98T – fixed an issue with missing bodywork in the cockpit
* Mercedes C Class DTM – adjusted steering wheel shift lights to better match the engine's power band.
* Ruf CTR – changed to a more durable brake pad for track use and added an optional brake duct to help control temperatures at slow tracks.

GUI & HUD
* Display correct message when trying to toggle assists when assists are disabled.
* Fixed an issue with the Leaderboards navigation that prevented the user from changing the vehicle or location.
* Changed the displayed values for Lateral and Longitudinal weight bias, to make it more intuitive.
* Fixed an issue with bad Text spacing on the Telemetry screen.
* Fixed various issues with the HUD gearshift indicator during replays.
* Fixed an issue where making real time changes to the stability control would display incorrect information.
* Fixed an issue where the in-game Standings screen ‘Lap time’ was cleared too soon.

General
* Fixed an issue where the ‘Sync to Race’ option was unavailable when configuring Weather Progression.
* Fixed an issue where the Best Driving Line assist appeared in the rear view mirrors.
* Localisation – added ‘United Arab Emirates’ used by Lykan to non-English language sets.
* Fixed an issue with Quick Race Weekend, where running Qualifying and Race without a Practice session would cause the Qualifying session rules to not work correctly.
* Fixed a case where the ‘One more for the road’ achievement would not unlock correctly.
* Fixed an issue where the player could still toggle driving assists on via buttons, even when driving assists was disabled.
* Fixed an issue where the external driving camera would clip through the track on steep banking.
* Fixed an issue with random cloud ‘popping’ in and out of view.
* Fixed an issue with clouds disappearing when using time acceleration.
* Fixed a render timing issue that would at times cause a black screen when the processor is under heavy load.
* Fixed an issue that caused the player’s view to switch from helmet camera to cockpit camera during pit stops.
* Fixed an issue with Enhanced Mirror, where enabling it could at times cause occasional drop-outs of mirror content

Oculus Rift
* Improved support for Oculus Rift rendering to desktop and headset simultaneously.
* Added command line option -vrfullscreen for use when using second screen, to use whole screen instead of windowed mode.
* Amended driver head offset when in Oculus Rift mode – defaults to 0.0 but can be set using command line -vreyeoffset amount.
* Added HUD position editing control keys to the existing HUD editing setup: AD – left/right, WS – up/down, ZE – in/out. (Note that this doesn't save yet between game restarts. We have this working internally now but it missed this patch, so will be coming your way very soon)
* HUD and Menu system is now located in world and car space instead of attached to the player’s head.
* Updated to Oculus SDK 0.7.0.0.
- NOTE - If you experience a black flicker/flash in the right eye view when playing in VR, please ensure that you have VSync enabled.

[Sessionerror]

* BMW 320 Turbo – fixed an issue where the car would start 'wandering' in straight lines after a few laps.


Will this "little" announcement fix the Dip & Flip Bug, every car is suffering from after a while on the track? :confused::eek:;)

Edit: like mentioned by Casey here (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?39365-bmw-320-gr-5&p=1122320&viewfull=1#post1122320)

[Stephen Viljoen]

Will this "little" announcement fix the Dip & Flip Bug, every car is suffering from after a while on the track? :confused::eek:;)

Edit: like mentioned by Casey here (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?39365-bmw-320-gr-5&p=1122320&viewfull=1#post1122320)

As far as our testing shows, yes. We're certainly very keen to see the feedback on this once the patch has been out a while. :)

[Yorkie065]

As far as our testing shows, yes. We're certainly very keen to see the feedback on this once the patch has been out a while. :)

So has this been applied to all cars or just the 320 Turbo for testing? Would be very useful and make it a lot easier to test if it was the former as people are starting to get more of an idea of when to expect it and when to look out for when running in a car they frequently use and understand.

[Elmo]

So has this been applied to all cars or just the 320 Turbo for testing? Would be very useful and make it a lot easier to test if it was the former as people are starting to get more of an idea of when to expect it and when to look out for when running in a car they frequently use and understand.

This fix affects all cars. Examples for the Dip and Flip bug can be found here (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?37995-Dip-amp-Flip-Bug-(recorded-with-Telemetry-HUD)).

The wandering we found on the 320 seemed to have the same root cause like the D&F.

[Sessionerror]

That's absolutely great news and I'm really excited to hear about it! :D

I hope this has really been the root of the Dip & Flip bug and no one is able to reproduce the bug anymore ;) If so, thank you SMS!

[satco1066]

Maybe the line was forgotten, or some of the fixes have a global influence to this.
Any news for the replay bug. ( not starting cars, wrong cars and liveries in replay)

[LotusTeam]

Hi SMS,

I am writing this because I can see there are some notes on the new Aston DLC vehicle included in the coming PC patch 5.0 pre-release notes, which i guess consoles version patch will be released not for long, I just want to report this to you that until now Hong Kong PSN region (Hong Kong PS4 users) still hasn't got the Mojave track + Free Car + New Aston Martin DLC yet, we are fans of your masterpiece and we are willing to pay for any kind of DLC including all livery packages which incurred costs, but seems Hong Kong people now were being forgotten, can you please look into this? Or should we ask Bandai Namco instead? Can you give us some hints on who we should contact if so...?

[Beatminister]

What about the "glue puddles" in the upper lane of Mojave Outer Ring?

[Yorkie065]

This fix affects all cars. Examples for the Dip and Flip bug can be found here (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?37995-Dip-amp-Flip-Bug-(recorded-with-Telemetry-HUD)).

The wandering we found on the 320 seemed to have the same root cause like the D&F.

I owe you another beer! I owe the rest of the studio a beer too!!

This is going to be one hell of an expensive round! haha :P

[Bealdor]

What about the "glue puddles" in the upper lane of Mojave Outer Ring?

Since the Aston Martin Expansion was released not long ago and the fix you mentioned isn't in the notes, it's most likely not fixed yet.

[Elmo]

What about the "glue puddles" in the upper lane of Mojave Outer Ring?

This was also addressed

[Sessionerror]

This was also addressed

Oh wow, you were really fast with this fix! It's getting better and better here :D

[Invincible]

This was also addressed

Addendum to the patch notes? I think the question might pop up again and again otherwise...

Oh and as usual, awesome patch! Thanks guys! :applause:

[cluck]

Fantastic set of fixes team blue :yes:

[N0body Of The Goat]

1.1GB incoming... Restart Steam if you cannot see update queued!:D

[Cheesenium]

Thank you for the patch!

[Lordw007]

Update out. thanks for your fast work

[Stephen Viljoen]

Hi SMS,

I am writing this because I can see there are some notes on the new Aston DLC vehicle included in the coming PC patch 5.0 pre-release notes, which i guess consoles version patch will be released not for long, I just want to report this to you that until now Hong Kong PSN region (Hong Kong PS4 users) still hasn't got the Mojave track + Free Car + New Aston Martin DLC yet, we are fans of your masterpiece and we are willing to pay for any kind of DLC including all livery packages which incurred costs, but seems Hong Kong people now were being forgotten, can you please look into this? Or should we ask Bandai Namco instead? Can you give us some hints on who we should contact if so...?

I'll inquire about this and let you know.

[rauf0]

* Fixed an issue with bad Text spacing on the Telemetry screen.

I can say, OMG finally! :biggrin-new:

Nice set of fixes, however looks little frugally comparing to yesterday's AC v1.3. Anyway thanks for hard work!

[satco1066]

Yap. That was really fast.
Thumbs up guys :applause:

[DrStrix]

This is how a all producer of game should act! SMS is the best ever!
Listen to user and fix things as fast as possible.
That is why I did support both Pcars1 and 2 development.

[TrevorAustin]

And finally what I think will be some real Rift enhancements. Fingers crossed.

Sometimes change is good :)

[Beatminister]

This was also addressed

Nice work! Thanks guys!
Your kind of customer service makes a real pleasant change to most what I've seen for other software in the past. Well done.

[M4MKey]

Well.. so how much does the Bentley has been nerfed ? o_O ? I was preparing for some championnship race and i'm loosing 2 seconds a lap since this patch....

[Bealdor]

Well.. so how much does the Bentley has been nerfed ? o_O ? I was preparing for some championnship race and i'm loosing 2 seconds a lap since this patch....

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?39594-BMW-M3&p=1126670&viewfull=1#post1126670

[Jan Studenski]

:triumphant: thx SMS

I noticed something though

...
* Aston Martin DBR 1-2 – set the car up so that the steering wheel remains in a static state when the user chooses the ‘hide wheel’ option, so that the user can still read the vital info displayed on the wheel.
...

I think people wanna hide the wheel are using anyways apps to have a look at tire temps, gear shifting etc.

[Martin03]

''* Fixed an issue with tyre choices being ignored during pit stops.'' Stands under online in the patch notes, so what does that mean? It is just fixed for online and not career mode?...

[MrBlacky]

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?39594-BMW-M3&p=1126670&viewfull=1#post1126670

I don't get this exactly. Does this mean, all cars have been updated or only the bentley as shown on the patch notes? :confused:

Because when you say "about 510 HP", then the SLS still has a lot more power.

[Justinvdl99]

When does the ''real'' pitcrew come in the game, With people that actually change your tyres, that we saw in a trailer. Instead of sound only.

[Bealdor]

:triumphant: thx SMS

I noticed something though

I think people wanna hide the wheel are using anyways apps to have a look at tire temps, gear shifting etc.

When the wheel does show important information it will always be displayed. That's a design decision and is done this way on all the other cars with MOTEC displays too.


''* Fixed an issue with tyre choices being ignored during pit stops.'' Stands under online in the patch notes, so what does that mean? It is just fixed for online and not career mode?...

Should be fixed in SP too.


I don't get this exactly. Does this mean, all cars have been updated or only the bentley as shown on the patch notes? :confused:

Because when you say "about 510 HP", then the SLS still has a lot more power.

That BoP is meant for the Bentley only.

[M4MKey]

The BoP should be for all cars Bealdor, I'm not even gaining ground with draft behind an SLS... Which should be the case IRL. I'm not even putting my 6th gear anymore !!... This car was nerfed way too much... 2 seconds per lap slower... And now it's clearly not the fastest car on straights ( which should be ! )

[jenzjenzen]

Fix those annoying sound stuttering when driving online or watching drivers from pit monitor pls.
People complain often about it but its not fixed from day 1.

[Nico Herrmann]

I can see more japanese cars on my HDD. Toyota, Scion and some Mitsubishi´s. Hope to see some Super GT cars in the future.:D

[Bealdor]

The BoP should be for all cars Bealdor, I'm not even gaining ground with draft behind an SLS... Which should be the case IRL. I'm not even putting my 6th gear anymore !!... This car was nerfed way too much... 2 seconds per lap slower... And now it's clearly not the fastest car on straights ( which should be ! )

It still has the turbo advantage which gives it a better performance on higher altitude tracks like Bathurst or Nürburgring.
Why not give it a few hours and rethink your setup approach wrt the reduced power? A setup reset wouldn't hurt too.

[senn]

I see there is a repair to the brakes for the RUF CTR which is good. Was there also a repair to the clutch/RPM issue that started in Patch 4.0 with the added boost? http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?39401-Patch-4-0-Bug-with-RUF-CTR-Yellowbird-engine-RPM-sticking

[M4MKey]

There's no turbo advantage... I'm trying everything I can right now ( having my race champ next tuesday ). At best i'm acheiving 1:38s when I was able of 1:37.0 before... I can't even catch Ginetta with the draft and the quickest final drive...

The only, and only one advantage this car has, has been murdered.. We just should drop this car entirely, cause there's no reason at all to use it right now...

EDIT : Which is even more funny is that the car has still the exact same fuel consumption ( even though it's loss of power ), and still wheelspins so easily..

[poirqc]

I see there is a repair to the brakes for the RUF CTR which is good. Was there also a repair to the clutch/RPM issue that started in Patch 4.0 with the added boost? http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?39401-Patch-4-0-Bug-with-RUF-CTR-Yellowbird-engine-RPM-sticking

It's still there.

The only way i managed this bug is being less agressive on the throtle when putting the 5th gear.

[TenthDan]

There's no turbo advantage... I'm trying everything I can right now ( having my race champ next tuesday ). At best i'm acheiving 1:38s when I was able of 1:37.0 before... I can't even catch Ginetta with the draft and the quickest final drive...

The only, and only one advantage this car has, has been murdered.. We just should drop this car entirely, cause there's no reason at all to use it right now...

EDIT : Which is even more funny is that the car has still the exact same fuel consumption ( even though it's loss of power ), and still wheelspins so easily..

Try a different track, i.e. Bathurst as suggested.

[M4MKey]

Well... Yeah. But as I told, it's about a championnship... So it's Hockeneim GP and nothing else. And the Bentley IRL was never designed to be quick on tracks like Bathurst... The Bentley always ( and still IRL ) has a top speed advantage on long straights ( like the Nissan GTR )

[Machinist90]

nice and early this month,was kinda hoping for the pitcrew but still nice little list of fixes,thanks for keeping this game updated,gets better each month

[CoTiNhO]

Hopefully the "Force Default setups" works well. That's the most important to me and a lot of people :D

[Sea Skimmer]

Nice lot of fixes,keep them updates coming people :D

[noobkill]

Great patch SMS :) Thank you so much for the continuous support!! You are the best :)

[DinkLv]

pCARS2 claimed that they've given this fix in their build on Oct 5th:
Controllers:
* KERS was mapped twice in the classic controller config which was cuasing it to end up being mapped to multiple inputs, with only the first input being picked up by the game.
I wonder when it'll be implied into pCARS1:p

[copes24]

Good to see SMS following real life BoP. Looks like somebody's thrown their toys out of the pram. I bet real life GT3 drivers behave the same way haha.

[KkDrummer]

I really like the idea of fixing what needs fixing before releasing new features...Nice patch, is it coming for Consoles as well though?

[M4MKey]

Good to see SMS following real life BoP. Looks like somebody's thrown their toys out of the pram. I bet real life GT3 drivers behave the same way haha.

Well, I think GT3 was already the best balanced field of the game.. others have really OP cars. But oh well... As for GT3... The Aston is still THE car, and I don't really understand that much how BoP isn't in this vehicle.

As for my issues of pace... I found out that Wastegate pressure was now tunable on the Bentley, and that wasn't at full setting at default... So yeah, it's better balanced with the wastegate at max... of course.

[DinkLv]

Well, I think GT3 was already the best balanced field of the game.. others have really OP cars. But oh well... As for GT3... The Aston is still THE car, and I don't really understand that much how BoP isn't in this vehicle.

As for my issues of pace... I found out that Wastegate pressure was now tunable on the Bentley, and that wasn't at full setting at default... So yeah, it's better balanced with the wastegate at max... of course.

Aston Martin GTE? It's a GTE/GT2, with a vastly different purpose from a GT3 in design. Its BoP will be applied with Chevy C7R/911 RSR/458 GTE/Ford GTE, not the normal GT3s:p

[M4MKey]

Nope... GT3. Not GTE.

[Shinzah]

Career
* Fixed an issue where the maximum amount of contract and invitation emails could be exceeded with DLC installed, resulting in the player not being notified of newly unlocked contract offers and invitational events.


Does this fix the issue with DLC cars not showing up for Endurance series contracts?

[x ImJakeyy]

You guys really do impress when you push patches so well, could this also mean the next DLC will be earlier than the end of the month?

[Bealdor]

Does this fix the issue with DLC cars not showing up for Endurance series contracts?

No, simply because of what you mentioned is not a bug. ;)

[corporatezombie]

* Updated to Oculus SDK 0.7.0.0

Does it require version 0.7.0.0, or will it still work on previous versions of the SDK?

[Shinzah]

No, simply because of what you mentioned is not a bug. ;)

The Lola and the GTE car explicitly mention Career Contracts and have Contracts in just GT3 and LMP1 and not in Endurance. :\

[F1Aussie]

Found what i presume is a bug, haven't had it before but first game with 5.0 and it is there. Mclaren 12c 25 lapper at donington gp starting at 4am and every session (p, q, wu and race) all start at 4am rather than time progressing through the day as previously. Anyone else noticed this?

[x ImJakeyy]

pCARS2 claimed that they've given this fix in their build on Oct 5th:
Controllers:
* KERS was mapped twice in the classic controller config which was cuasing it to end up being mapped to multiple inputs, with only the first input being picked up by the game.
I wonder when it'll be implied into pCARS1:p

Probably Patch 6, once its been confirmed to be 100% fixed, if you see stuff in pCARS2 patch notes that is an issue in pCARS1 you can expect it within 1-2 patches.
Obviously that fix only came on pCARS2 on the 6th, which is only 2 days ago so it must have only been fixed on the 5th.

[Bealdor]

The Lola and the GTE car explicitly mention Career Contracts and have Contracts in just GT3 and LMP1 and not in Endurance. :\

Yes, that's working as intended (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?40047-Project-CARS-Aston-Martin-Track-Expansion-Content-overview).

Don't get me wrong, I'd also like to see a roster update to the Endurance Series. I'm just telling you that it's not a bug. :)

[x ImJakeyy]

* Updated to Oculus SDK 0.7.0.0

Does it require version 0.7.0.0, or will it still work on previous versions of the SDK?

I think it still works with previous, it just adds support for 0.7

[Shinzah]

Yes, that's working as intended (http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?40047-Project-CARS-Aston-Martin-Track-Expansion-Content-overview).

Don't get me wrong, I'd also like to see a roster update to the Endurance Series. I'm just telling you that it's not a bug. :)

Why the hell do we have an endurance kitted GTE car that can't be used in Endurance races when the DLC doesn't say "Can't be used in Endurance races" and just says on the page it has career contracts? That's really misleading.

Why are these cars not getting contracts for the series in the game that people are wanting to use them in?

[DinkLv]

Probably Patch 6, once its been confirmed to be 100% fixed, if you see stuff in pCARS2 patch notes that is an issue in pCARS1 you can expect it within 1-2 patches.
Obviously that fix only came on pCARS2 on the 6th, which is only 2 days ago so it must have only been fixed on the 5th.

The bug is fixed on the 5th actually, so what does 'that fix only came on pCARS2 on the 6th' mean？:confused:

[Invincible]

Found what i presume is a bug, haven't had it before but first game with 5.0 and it is there. Mclaren 12c 25 lapper at donington gp starting at 4am and every session (p, q, wu and race) all start at 4am rather than time progressing through the day as previously. Anyone else noticed this?

Afaik, it was a bug before and is now working as intended. So now you can choose when you want the race to start instead of having the race start at around 9 o'clock even when you set 7 o'clock.

[cluck]

The bug is fixed on the 5th actually, so what does 'that fix only came on pCARS2 on the 6th' mean？:confused:Just because a bug is fixed, doesn't mean it's in a build ready to test right away - more often than not, the fix would appear in the next available build released (but there are some that are held back for various reasons). So, if a dev posts a fix on the 5th, it probably won't go into the next build until later that day, or the next day. Then it gets tested, then it gets released, so might even be 2 days later.

[JupiterJoe]

1.1 gig, for that?! No car models, new tracks, texture, image or video files and it's still 1.1 gig, for some code?!

I apologise if this post comes across as facetious, it's just impressed by the amount of work you guys have put in.

[N0body Of The Goat]

Found what i presume is a bug, haven't had it before but first game with 5.0 and it is there. Mclaren 12c 25 lapper at donington gp starting at 4am and every session (p, q, wu and race) all start at 4am rather than time progressing through the day as previously. Anyone else noticed this?

Confirmed. :(

Quick race weekend
Audi R8 v10 Plus
Ruapuna GP
Race date
0600 "race start time"
x60 time progression
5min warmup
2 lap race

Warmup finishes at ~1100.

Then like Groundhog Day, it is 0600 again for the race start.:confused:

Surely the race should start just after 1100 (depending upon how long you look at the results screen for)?

How things were pre-patch 5.0 were correct IMO, but perhaps the config option name could be improved/changed to "Meeting start time."

[Shinzah]

1.1 gig, for that?! No car models, new tracks, textures, images or video files and it's still 1.1 gig, for some code?!

Maybe it was a lot of code.

[F1Aussie]

Afaik, it was a bug before and is now working as intended. So now you can choose when you want the race to start instead of having the race start at around 9 o'clock even when you set 7 o'clock.

Seems a bit weird that all sessions now start at the same time then

[JupiterJoe]

Maybe it was a lot of code.Yeah, more code than it took for all the Apollo missions to get to the moon and back. Just sayin' ;)

[Stephamiel]

Fix those annoying sound stuttering when driving online or watching drivers from pit monitor pls.
People complain often about it but its not fixed from day 1.
Hello
I would also appreciate a fix about that ,it's very annoying
cheers

[TrevorAustin]

* Updated to Oculus SDK 0.7.0.0

Does it require version 0.7.0.0, or will it still work on previous versions of the SDK?

Should work on 0.6.0.1, maybe 0.6.0.0.

That's an Oculus thing though not SMS, they are only supporting one version back with each new SDK update.

[Shinzah]

Yeah, more code than it took for all the Apollo missions to get to the moon and back. Just sayin' ;)

...That wasn't really all that hard since the entire capsule and lander assembly were running on about a megabyte of total data. I've written long books with more data than that.

All of the data that could be used in the Apollo missions could easily fit onto a thumb drive. And the computers that ran the modules were no more powerful than a basic texas instruments calculator is today.

My disposable E-Cig is more advanced than the Apollo capsule and lander. And so is this videogame. ^^;

[Mahjik]

1.1 gig, for that?! No car models, new tracks, texture, image or video files and it's still 1.1 gig, for some code?!

It's not really "code" that determines the build size. It's the affected endstates. For instance, you can make a small change to a common static library that causes every shipped endstate to need to be rebuilt. Even though the code change was small, the affected endstates were not small.

[derrickgott007]

Have you addressed the issue with steering wheel and LCD dashboards in game reading out the speed in KPH even when game is set to MPH?

[Mahjik]

Have you addressed the issue with steering wheel and LCD dashboards in game reading out the speed in KPH even when game is set to MPH?

If the real car was manufactured to display metric, it will only and always display metric. The GUI setting is for HUD and other displays.

[Umer Ahmad]

^no

[falcon2081]

Darn, I was hoping this patch would include fixes for the replay system. Oh well, great patch nonetheless. Gonna have to keep on waiting.

[Nada]

220043
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Not new but it's time now.

Angle de chasse arrière gauche ---> Angle de carrossage arrière gauche
Angle de chasse arrière droit ---> Angle de carrossage arrière droit

And you can change:

Face gauche Carrossage Angle ---> Angle de carrossage avant gauche
Face droite Carrossage Angle ---> Angle de carrossage avant droit

Thanks

[mr_belowski]

Online
....
Fixed an issue with tyre choices being ignored during pit stops.


So is this just for online races then? Because it happens offline too, and sometimes you pit for tyres and don't seem to actually get new ones. Is that still broken?

[EliteK29]

A lot of nice fixes. Im glad that you guys decided to not add any features yet and fix the stuff that needed to be fixed. Hopefully force default setups work this time. When can we expect this patch on consoles? Hopefully next week at most.

[Elmo]

Online
....
Fixed an issue with tyre choices being ignored during pit stops.


So is this just for online races then? Because it happens offline too, and sometimes you pit for tyres and don't seem to actually get new ones. Is that still broken?

It is for both. Probably listed under Online since this was were the bug got picked up first.

[Renku]

Thanks!

220044

[DinkLv]

Just because a bug is fixed, doesn't mean it's in a build ready to test right away - more often than not, the fix would appear in the next available build released (but there are some that are held back for various reasons). So, if a dev posts a fix on the 5th, it probably won't go into the next build until later that day, or the next day. Then it gets tested, then it gets released, so might even be 2 days later.

I've tested that that bug is fixed in the build released that day 'cause it's in the release note on Oct 5th. Waiting for Patch 6 ;) Thanks for explanation:)

[MABlosfeld]

Great job, tnks!

[Dyemonic]

If the real car was manufactured to display metric, it will only and always display metric. The GUI setting is for HUD and other displays.
It's not difficult to reprogram a display to show different units (in real life). At least not on some displays. But I'd be surprised if it was impossible to be done on any display that's used on a professionally built car.

Regardless, it's a setting that absolutely does not affect the performance of the car in any way, so why not have it change with the game settings?

[Shinzah]

It's not difficult to reprogram a display to show different units (in real life). At least not on some displays. But I'd be surprised if it was impossible to be done on any display that's used on a professionally built car.

Regardless, it's a setting that absolutely does not affect the performance of the car in any way, so why not have it change with the game settings?

Because if it was manufactured in a specific condition, that is the condition that will be reflected. The game isn't measuring system display reprogram simulator.

[Silvano]

Because if it was manufactured in a specific condition, that is the condition that will be reflected. The game isn't measuring system display reprogram simulator.

@Shinzah, if you want to stick to the REAL thing, why cant we drive in and out of the pit ?? this is so ridiculous, are we all babies that cant pit without help from our mom and dad LOL
Hopefully Pcars2 will let us be adults drivers as it should be.
So please stop talking about what is real and what is not, "it was manufactured in a specific condition" according to you means that NOBODY would want to change the speedo from miles to km or inverse? well...i would do it in real if i have to.
i guess its your philosophy and thats why i tend to go drive on other sims that were developed for adults :)

Regards,
Silvano

[Dyemonic]

Because if it was manufactured in a specific condition, that is the condition that will be reflected. The game isn't measuring system display reprogram simulator.

"Manufactured"

It can be an easy software change that takes <1 minute to change and upload the new config into a dash.

Why bother having the pseudo MoTeC display change if the idea is to match the car exactly as supplied? Customers can change plenty of things on cars after they but them. So why not the display? Obviously it doesn't need to be a priority (far from it), but the argument of "that's how it was supplied" is poor because it can be changed. There may be some cases where the manufacturer and dash supplier work out a contract that involves locking the dash (from customers), but it would be dumb to never allow it to be modified.

[cluck]

Has it occurred to anybody that is might be a licensing restriction? I don't know if it is the case with this specific item, but there are areas where the manufacturer says "this is how it should be" and that's that.

[TrevorAustin]

The REAL dash on my car has a button to press to change all measurements form KMH to miles and back.

[Mahjik]

Regardless, it's a setting that absolutely does not affect the performance of the car in any way, so why not have it change with the game settings?

Licensing.. It was discussed during the project as WMD asked for the same.

[Shinzah]

@Shinzah, if you want to stick to the REAL thing, why cant we drive in and out of the pit ?? this is so ridiculous, are we all babies that cant pit without help from our mom and dad LOL
Hopefully Pcars2 will let us be adults drivers as it should be.

This has already been explained so many times that I don't even think it worth explaining again. Use the forum search function.



So please stop talking about what is real and what is not, "it was manufactured in a specific condition" according to you means that NOBODY would want to change the speedo from miles to km or inverse? well...i would do it in real if i have to.


According to me, it means that the cars are represented as the cars which SMS took the data and details from. Idfc how 'easy' it is to change software or whatever else. Really. dfc. I want the car to be represented as it was from the car it was modeled from. That's what *I* want. So I won't stop talking, I'm sorry.



i guess its your philosophy and thats why i tend to go drive on other sims that were developed for adults :)

Regards,
Silvano

Okay. Enjoy Adult Simulator 2015. I hope you learn to be one.

Bye Felicia.

[Bealdor]

Put the handbags away guys.
It's weekend and we got a shiny new patch which means I'm not in the mood to hand out infractions today.

[Dyemonic]

Licensing.. It was discussed during the project as WMD asked for the same.

Good to know. That's a better answer than just that's how the car is supplied. Related, but gives a clear reason.

[ftpdoug]

Every time on a time trial on all of the Azure Coast selections, when you finish, you have no control over the car and it just crashes into the walls causing times to be invalid.. Any ideas?

[Jan Studenski]

Hopefully the "Force Default setups" works well. That's the most important to me and a lot of people :D
Yes they work

BUT

At pitstop you get forced Default Settings, what in my eyes can be a problem when weather is progressing.
What can happen is that you cant preanticipate the rain ... so if it starts the rain and you wanna be the first one to get new rain tire it can happen that the game is giving you dry tires , as you cant decide for yourself.

[BMW435]

Hi,
Does this patch fix the tire sound issue?
Tire sound is very low compare to engine sound. Will there be a slider to control tire sound?

Thanks for all updates. You guys are the best.

J

[gotdirt410sprintcar]

just a simple question did not see a kick button for host. So is it staying like it is.

thanks for the hard work from everyone

[Cromhunt]

Hello:)
Did update today ,have some words about VR features buggies.
Before update while leaving race and go back to menus,was able to get "options" menu up and usable.

Now instead have just a screen splitted showing something in game.
Fullscreen or windowed,same thing.
As since a long time from beginning the mouse cursor stills invisible,there is noway to use any of menus,and use keyboard(in
VR of course).
But now if menu desappears what next?

In the other hand would like to know why the game stills "stuttering",don't know exact word to define,when move head from side to side?
In fact when moving fast left right and up down game seems stumbling.
I'm using VR on another game "Flight simulator" with "Flyinside" addon,and no stuttering happens.
The dev of flyinside talking about "asynchronous timewarp"to make this game smooth.
Do you consider it could be the same for project cars??

Anyway thanks for your efforts
see you next

[Bruusie]

Thank you for another remedial patch .. but why I sit here waiting for yet another download I wonder about things such as - when will my online reputation pass 0%. Will the race host ever be given some control over the competitors? I guess it's clear that there will never be any deterrent to deliberate ramming so I won't even enquire about that :( My DF wheel works well know...just a shame the game randomly 'drops' it requiring a re boot (since patch4). Why can't we see fastest lap info after online race completed. Will we ever see advanced personal stats in the future ie career track FL's see wgt.com for reference - adds long term interest.
Guess some people are never happy. Only another 2.5 hours till the patch completes it's download and then I will hopefully be smiling again.

[Liquid7394]

Does force default setup apply to car specific FFB?

[adamallen2]

I don't suppose proper FOV for triple screens finally made it in, did it?

[Roger Prynne]

Does force default setup apply to car specific FFB?

I think it does, as the per car FFB is tied in with the car setup.

But don't quote me.

[KkDrummer]

Hi,
Does this patch fix the tire sound issue?
Tire sound is very low compare to engine sound. Will there be a slider to control tire sound?

Thanks for all updates. You guys are the best.

J

Thank God it is!! I hope this never changes, unless SMS gives audio sliders....

[DusterBuster]

Hi, i noticed that the realistic driving aids are now fixed for mp, but there is still one thing i think is wrong. If you set the realitic aids in gameplay for sp mode you are only able to activate the aids the car have in multiplayer, despite the fact the host allows all. If i set them to none in sp it works just as it should which means i can activate them if the host allows it.

[TrevorAustin]

Hello:)
Did update today ,have some words about VR features buggies.
Before update while leaving race and go back to menus,was able to get "options" menu up and usable.

Now instead have just a screen splitted showing something in game.
Fullscreen or windowed,same thing.
As since a long time from beginning the mouse cursor stills invisible,there is noway to use any of menus,and use keyboard(in
VR of course).
But now if menu desappears what next?

In the other hand would like to know why the game stills "stuttering",don't know exact word to define,when move head from side to side?
In fact when moving fast left right and up down game seems stumbling.
I'm using VR on another game "Flight simulator" with "Flyinside" addon,and no stuttering happens.
The dev of flyinside talking about "asynchronous timewarp"to make this game smooth.
Do you consider it could be the same for project cars??

Anyway thanks for your efforts
see you next

The stuttering is the performance of your rig not giving 75FPS. A known issue.

[Jussi Viljami Karjalainen]

As for my issues of pace... I found out that Wastegate pressure was now tunable on the Bentley, and that wasn't at full setting at default... So yeah, it's better balanced with the wastegate at max... of course.Also if you haven't already, pay close attention to the power reading in the telemetry. The tighter restrictor has changed the car's peak power to a much lower RPM, you basically need to shift at the second rev LED (the first yellow one) or you're running only 490 bhp or so most of the time. The car peaks at around 514-515 bhp and has a pretty wide flat spot at the top of the power curve, so keep it at the correct revs and it can go quicker still.

As for the "only advantages", I've done fairly extensive testing and the Bentley's advantage for sure wasn't only in the power. It was and still is capable of pulling higher lateral Gs than the Aston GT3, Audi R8 LMS, McLaren GT3, Mercedes GT3 and the Ruf GT3, and (assuming the brakes are kept cold, they can overheat pretty easily) can also brake as well as or better than the Aston GT3, Audi R8 LMS and Mercedes GT3, though the McLaren and Ruf are better due to being significantly lighter. Where pure cornering power is concerned it is only slightly behind the BMWs and the Ginetta. So really, before the update the car had cornering capabilities almost on par with the best cornering cars in the class, braking power on par with the nearly half the class, and the best power to weight ratio out of all of them, supremely so at high altitudes (only at the lowest altitudes possible did the Mercedes slightly edge ahead in power to weight). It was quite overpowered in many ways.

[spinkick]

I know you guys are focused on the occulus stuff, but while you are at it can you please, please look at true triple monitor support? I cant used telemetry because its all stretched out. 1st world problems, i know :)

[jaymondo]

Sadly, Setups load/save get missed again...

[jaymondo]

Does annoy me a lot that so much effort is spent on the 5 people with the Occulus stuff, and the rest of us, with unfinished issues or whatever get missed.

[TrevorAustin]

Does annoy me a lot that so much effort is spent on the 5 people with the Occulus stuff, and the rest of us, with unfinished issues or whatever get missed.

Lol, this is the first improvement since game launch. And is done by different people than work on all the problems you've decided are more important :)

[cluck]

Does annoy me a lot that so much effort is spent on the 5 people with the Occulus stuff, and the rest of us, with unfinished issues or whatever get missed.There is such a thing as priorities and yours are different from others, including SMS's. Would you like me to moan about the things I don't give a monkey's about, that got fixed or improved before Oculus support got improved? I'm happy for every single improvement and fix that SMS put in, even if it helps me or improves my gameplay in no shape or form, because I appreciate that the fixes do at least help somebody.

EDIT : Bealdor (and the other mods) - My handbag needed an airing, it is now safely back in the cupboard :).

[Stephen Viljoen]

Why the hell do we have an endurance kitted GTE car that can't be used in Endurance races when the DLC doesn't say "Can't be used in Endurance races" and just says on the page it has career contracts? That's really misleading.

Why are these cars not getting contracts for the series in the game that people are wanting to use them in?

Adding new contracts to hook DLC cars into a multi-class series is unfortunately exponentially more complicated than in single-class series. The multi-class championships were originally finely balanced to provide a good spread of cars from each class. With how the whole career system was designed for Project CARS, adding a new car to class X now would mean needing to remove a car from class Y, or replacing a car in class X, which would upset as many people (if not more) than what we'd be pleasing by doing that. We are still investigating if there's a solution that's within scope (ie, won't require us rewriting the whole system and causing all sorts of possible issues in the process).

[Oilseal]

Still no meaningful changes to allow for multiple car setups.

I keep hoping

Oilseal

[N0body Of The Goat]

Just completed an online test...
Formula A
Monza GP
4x "random" weather slots
x15 weather progression
Race date
1300 start
15mins qual
5mins warmup
10 lap race

As the "host" in using -autods to use a random public dedicated server, I could not enter the setup screens in the pits (I forgot to see what happens if I try to create/edit a setup in the lobby garage).

During qualifying, I always seemed to be issued dry soft slicks if I "returned to garage" and then clicked "drive," even when the random weather had changed to rainy conditions. Maybe the new rain condition slot was not fully activated, so I was not being automatically given rain tyres?

I was unable to test anything in the warmup session, because I was changing some fish tank water. ;)

In the race, I did two test pit stops, to see what would happen...
While dry, ~lap 4, I pitted. The pit strategy board did not appear, so I could not change any options. No fuel was added, no tyres were changed, perhaps any damage was fixed.
After it had been raining for ~1 lap (so ~1min30secs), I pitted at the end of lap 9. Again no board to choose any options, but rain tyres were fitted to the car.

Looks promising, but might need more study on when our pit crew decide to change tyre compounds in wet/dry changeable conditions. :)

[Shinzah]

Adding new contracts to hook DLC cars into a multi-class series is unfortunately exponentially more complicated than in single-class series. The multi-class championships were originally finely balanced to provide a good spread of cars from each class. With how the whole career system was designed for Project CARS, adding a new car to class X now would mean needing to remove a car from class Y, or replacing a car in class X, which would upset as many people (if not more) than what we'd be pleasing by doing that. We are still investigating if there's a solution that's within scope (ie, won't require us rewriting the whole system and causing all sorts of possible issues in the process).

I don't know how many people this is going to upset. But I was thinking if you took the old Audi LMP1 out for owners of the new Audi LMP1 DLC, and added its contracts to the E-Tron. That'd open it up some.
And if you took the GT3 cars out and just ran the BMW GT2 and Aston GTE cars (and whichever GT2/GTE cars that may come) that'll open those slots, at least enough to also add the Toyota LMP1.
You honestly could also nerf GT4 and run them either in a GT4 endurance series (with a GT3 endurance series ect) or whatever and replace them with the RUF GT3 with a slight restriction for a GTC class.

At least in this way you have all the most recent LM competitors in the Endurance series and able to compete at actually LM24 for career players.

But it's a lot of work, and no doubt whatever solution comes it won't make everyone happy. I don't however think that if you take out the old Audi and replace its contracts with the new Audi it'll upset as much as it'll make happy, in the least.
The GT field is problematic, but if there wasn't GT4 or a single make fourth class it'd allow more wiggle room, also if just the GT2/GTE cars could compete in it. I'm (reasonably) certain the Aston won't be the only GTE car coming via DLC.

The Lola really doesn't need to be in Endurance (imo). It's balanced well for the shorter LMP1 races, but it can go farther and last longer in endurance races without penalty to speed.
And GT4 is a lapping nightmare.


I understand though. These are just some ideas. It's just really saddening. I hope the limitations will be sorted out for Pcars2 ^^;

Thanks for replying!

[RTA nOsKiLlS]

Oh dear, No host to kick function.

Host to kick needs to be priority number 1.

[Stephen Viljoen]

I hope the limitations will be sorted out for Pcars2 ^^;

Thanks for replying!

They will most definitely be. :)

[Will Fly]

Sorry Elmo not enough time to read all how about loss of control (wheel and pedals) when leaving pits
has that been looked into
thanks.
Will.

[pMOTORS]

Was the Renault Clio Cup car bug fixed? (game crash when selecting this car)
Will the AI stop trying to overtake you cutting through the dirt when exiting Laguna Seca pits?
Also thank you for fixing the campaign issue
* Fixed an issue where the maximum amount of contract and invitation emails could be exceeded with DLC installed, resulting in the player not being notified of newly unlocked contract offers and invitational events.

[Silvano]

This has already been explained so many times that I don't even think it worth explaining again. Use the forum search function.



According to me, it means that the cars are represented as the cars which SMS took the data and details from. Idfc how 'easy' it is to change software or whatever else. Really. dfc. I want the car to be represented as it was from the car it was modeled from. That's what *I* want. So I won't stop talking, I'm sorry.



Okay. Enjoy Adult Simulator 2015. I hope you learn to be one.

Bye Felicia.

And idfc what YOU want. you are out of argument so you start to be agressiv,
Bye Skoda.

[pMOTORS]

I understand though. These are just some ideas. It's just really saddening. I hope the limitations will be sorted out for Pcars2 ^^;

Thanks for replying!

Hopefully pCARS 2 will have the audio reworked, this is something that I've been requesting on pCARS and would love to have a closer sound to the real cars, there is nothing better than listening to that exhaust as revs are gonig up :) I just thing cars sound a bit all the same and too generated. Would love to have a lot of tuners and touring cars as well. I've been buying all DLCs to support the game devs all I can.

[John Hargreaves]

Does annoy me a lot that so much effort is spent on the 5 people with the Occulus stuff, and the rest of us, with unfinished issues or whatever get missed.

In the future, everyone will use Oculus Rift for 15 minutes.

[Umer Ahmad]

I can tell you from the WMD days that it is the opinion of the sound team that the exhaust sounds are not heard so much in the cabin, especially not over the engine/transmission. So this can be considered an "artistic" decision (the exhaust sounds exist in the game if you watch replay or drive with chase camera). And the decision was not unanimous. i remember even some SMS people also requesting what you are asking, but we give the artists room to work and express their views.

[Dynomight Motorsports]

Man I can't wait for the Dip N Flip patch to hit Xbox1, it will take weeks I know, but this issue has been plaguing my league races since May as it seems to effect the BMW Z4 approximately every 18-20 laps. I started scraping the walls in my last two races and have not experienced it so I guess that work around will have to do until MS approves the patch once it's submitted that is. :yes: I'm so freaking happy though.. That has been my biggest gripe so far and its finally getting fixed! This game will be just about Perfect!!!! Way to go Guys!!!!!

[Umer Ahmad]

They also fixed the tyre selection bug during pit stops so hopefully we can get some pit action going again too.

[Bobobski]

Thank you for your continued support, much appreciated.

[ls13coco]

Good fixes here, I'm just wondering if we are ever going to have the option to remove driver arms but still have the wheel in cockpit view?

[Gobymage]

I am sensitive to all the efforts that SMS do and I love pCars but...for me, this patch is a joke.

When will we have a real answer to the significant bugs listed on this forum here : http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?22315-Known-Issues-Collective-Thread-(PC)-Not-for-bug-reporting!-Updated-29-09

When ???...

[charliev69]

Dont know if this has been reported but ... the in c/pit exposure in sunny conditions in the AM Vantage GTE is way too bright now , there's way too much glare from the road surface .
Tested at Barcalona with various cars and the AM V GTE is way off now .

[Konan]

I am sensitive to all the efforts that SMS do and I love pCars but...for me, this patch is a joke.

When will we have a real answer to the significant bugs listed on this forum here : http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?22315-Known-Issues-Collective-Thread-(PC)-Not-for-bug-reporting!-Updated-29-09

When ???...

In all fairness...i checked the link...did you see how many things they DID fix till then?
I'm also waiting for some things on that list...(one of them is even mine)...as do many i'm sure but to say this patch is a Joke is a bit over the top...

[Keithb23]

:triumphant: thx SMS

I noticed something though

I think people wanna hide the wheel are using anyways apps to have a look at tire temps, gear shifting etc.

Gahhh! Finally, I thought, they've come to their senses and are leaving the steering wheel off when we request it off, but no, back it comes, static, and removing all sense of immersion.

Seriously guys, the steering wheel isn't needed. The 'vital information' is available in the hud on several different views. I would suggest that this wasn't even requested to be put back in the forum, I haven't done a search, but when you put the static wheels back in the previous car in the development stage, no one was complaining either. This has to be one of the most stubborn decisions made by the devs regarding this issue. If the player selects steering wheel off, then please take it off! Many people have requested it but the devs still keep stubbornly sticking it back in, forcing the player to play the game how they think it should be played, not how the player wants it.

On the other hand, as I never like to just leave bad comments, the other fixes and additions in the patch look really great, and yes, even though I just complained about the devs above, I really do think we have one of the best and most conscientious developers ever. Five patches in five months is beyond supportive. Good work all of you!

[Pirategenius]

This is all great. But what about a console update? As the setup save and pit bugs still exist.

[Seelenkrank]

This is all great. But what about a console update? As the setup save and pit bugs still exist.

PC Master race ;) *joking* MS and SONY need to check your files to be safe for you... (*bitforbit*)

[Spitfire77]

Just completed an online test...
Formula A
Monza GP
4x "random" weather slots
x15 weather progression
Race date
1300 start
15mins qual
5mins warmup
10 lap race

As the "host" in using -autods to use a random public dedicated server, I could not enter the setup screens in the pits (I forgot to see what happens if I try to create/edit a setup in the lobby garage).

During qualifying, I always seemed to be issued dry soft slicks if I "returned to garage" and then clicked "drive," even when the random weather had changed to rainy conditions. Maybe the new rain condition slot was not fully activated, so I was not being automatically given rain tyres?

I was unable to test anything in the warmup session, because I was changing some fish tank water. ;)

In the race, I did two test pit stops, to see what would happen...
While dry, ~lap 4, I pitted. The pit strategy board did not appear, so I could not change any options. No fuel was added, no tyres were changed, perhaps any damage was fixed.
After it had been raining for ~1 lap (so ~1min30secs), I pitted at the end of lap 9. Again no board to choose any options, but rain tyres were fitted to the car.

Looks promising, but might need more study on when our pit crew decide to change tyre compounds in wet/dry changeable conditions. :)


Are you able to still run custom FFB settings for each car? Really curious about this. Would love to run in forced default setup rooms, but many of us still need our cars to have custom FFB as it is tied to how our global FFB settings are configured.

[Sankyo]

Sadly, Setups load/save get missed again...
Or maybe it's a more difficult bug to trace down than you think.

[Sankyo]

Gahhh! Finally, I thought, they've come to their senses and are leaving the steering wheel off when we request it off, but no, back it comes, static, and removing all sense of immersion.

Seriously guys, the steering wheel isn't needed. The 'vital information' is available in the hud on several different views. I would suggest that this wasn't even requested to be put back in the forum, I haven't done a search, but when you put the static wheels back in the previous car in the development stage, no one was complaining either. This has to be one of the most stubborn decisions made by the devs regarding this issue. If the player selects steering wheel off, then please take it off! Many people have requested it but the devs still keep stubbornly sticking it back in, forcing the player to play the game how they think it should be played, not how the player wants it.


On the other hand, this player would rather see a static wheel with info on it than some artificial HUD displaying all kinds of things floating in the air that you never see in real life. Hence, I'm happy with this decision.

Best would be to create an option for static wheel or really no wheel IMO, of course...

[N0body Of The Goat]

Are you able to still run custom FFB settings for each car? Really curious about this. Would love to run in forced default setup rooms, but many of us still need our cars to have custom FFB as it is tied to how our global FFB settings are configured.

No idea, sorry, did not look at that aspect.

My knowledge of the quite complicated pCARS FFB system is extremely basic, I've tweaked a few global settings with help from a few forum members including bmanic; Jack Spade; Lars Rosenquist; poirqc, after applying the "classic" profile to my wheel...
Deadzone removal range 0.06
Deadzone removal fallout 0.015
Scoop knee 0
Scoop reduction 0
Steering gain 0.85

[Neil Bateman]

While i agree that a lot of the bugs that needed fixing are being or have been addressed with the 5 patches so far, each time a patch is released there are many people pointing out, asking and complaining about some problems, bugs or indeed features that IMO have always been and still are just as or more important than some things that have already been addressed, i also understand some things are more difficult to find and more difficult to fix, having said that there are still some glaring problems that for whatever reason, which we are not being informed of that still cause the most grief.

My issue is whenever these things are mentioned there is never an answer as too if it is going to be possible to fix, for example, multiplayer host kick/ban options and the saving of multiple set ups, these two alone for me are the worst part about the game, but up to now after 5 patches and numerous questions about it we still don't know if it will ever change, or if there are people working on a solution what the possible solution will end up being.

Maybe if SMS posted a list of things that they feel or know they cannot fix or implement in PCars1 it might stop the hundreds of unanswered questions on the subject.

[Konan]

I totally agree with your last sentence Neil Bateman...

[Spitfire77]

No idea, sorry, did not look at that aspect.

My knowledge of the quite complicated pCARS FFB system is extremely basic, I've tweaked a few global settings with help from a few forum members including bmanic; Jack Spade; Lars Rosenquist; poirqc, after applying the "classic" profile to my wheel...
Deadzone removal range 0.06
Deadzone removal fallout 0.015
Scoop knee 0
Scoop reduction 0
Steering gain 0.85

Cool thanks - I will play with it when 5.0 is released to ps4. If we can't still use our Spingle and SoP settings I will just avoid the rooms. Ideally the system could pick up the users FFB settings for the car (hopefully not to difficult as it is a different tab) and pass them through with the car tuning still forced to default.

[leithnow]

I'm happy for you, SMS, and I'm gonna let your patch finish installing, but I just wanna say, the Witcher 3 had the biggest patch of the day! The whole day!

[Mahjik]

My issue is whenever these things are mentioned there is never an answer as too if it is going to be possible to fix, for example, multiplayer host kick/ban options and the saving of multiple set ups, these two alone for me are the worst part about the game, but up to now after 5 patches and numerous questions about it we still don't know if it will ever change, or if there are people working on a solution what the possible solution will end up being.


http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?25889-In-depth-constructive-feedback&p=971550&viewfull=1#post971550

[jaymondo]

Ive decided ? Take a look at the forum, take a look at the steam page, then perhaps reconsider your comment

[jaymondo]

Or maybe it's a more difficult bug to trace down than you think.

Fair comment, but say something then, let us know its going to be a pain in the rear to do, but were going to do it after we sort out this or that. We wouldn't need the recent "force default setup stuff in multiplayer" if load and save of setups was possible.

[Jezza819]

On the other hand, this player would rather see a static wheel with info on it than some artificial HUD displaying all kinds of things floating in the air that you never see in real life. Hence, I'm happy with this decision.

Best would be to create an option for static wheel or really no wheel IMO, of course...

Count me in as one that wants the static steering wheel there. I don't want tons of readouts on my HUD where it looks like Bloomberg TV or something when the New York Stock Exchange is open. Static wheel for me please.

[pMOTORS]

I can tell you from the WMD days that it is the opinion of the sound team that the exhaust sounds are not heard so much in the cabin...

Oh, I am not saying you can't hear them. I was talking about the type of sound you get. It is just not realistic and with all respect- a couple of cars sound quite bad, like my shaver. It just does not sound like a car, hence why I'm saying having the audio reworked would be a big plus. NFS is a game I don't quite like due to its unreal driving but have to admit they really nail it with the sound. Still, understand Bandai Namco is not EA and this may be due to lack of resources or other reasons.

[Raf Nix]

Still not solved the bug that a forced cockpit server still has no effect on ppl joining an already running session. Please make it work as it should.

[MotorSport]

Snetterton,Cadwell where are this tracks now?

[TrevorAustin]

Oh, I am not saying you can't hear them. I was talking about the type of sound you get. It is just not realistic and with all respect- a couple of cars sound quite bad, like my shaver. It just does not sound like a car, hence why I'm saying having the audio reworked would be a big plus. NFS is a game I don't quite like due to its unreal driving but have to admit they really nail it with the sound. Still, understand Bandai Namco is not EA and this may be due to lack of resources or other reasons.

Or the current sounds are actually real and you want fake nfs sounds which aren't? Just because you like them doesn't make them more realistic:)

[Slowsley]

I don't know how many people this is going to upset. But I was thinking if you took the old Audi LMP1 out for owners of the new Audi LMP1 DLC, and added its contracts to the E-Tron. That'd open it up some.
And if you took the GT3 cars out and just ran the BMW GT2 and Aston GTE cars (and whichever GT2/GTE cars that may come) that'll open those slots, at least enough to also add the Toyota LMP1.
You honestly could also nerf GT4 and run them either in a GT4 endurance series (with a GT3 endurance series ect) or whatever and replace them with the RUF GT3 with a slight restriction for a GTC class.

At least in this way you have all the most recent LM competitors in the Endurance series and able to compete at actually LM24 for career players.

But it's a lot of work, and no doubt whatever solution comes it won't make everyone happy. I don't however think that if you take out the old Audi and replace its contracts with the new Audi it'll upset as much as it'll make happy, in the least.
The GT field is problematic, but if there wasn't GT4 or a single make fourth class it'd allow more wiggle room, also if just the GT2/GTE cars could compete in it. I'm (reasonably) certain the Aston won't be the only GTE car coming via DLC.

The Lola really doesn't need to be in Endurance (imo). It's balanced well for the shorter LMP1 races, but it can go farther and last longer in endurance races without penalty to speed.
And GT4 is a lapping nightmare.


I understand though. These are just some ideas. It's just really saddening. I hope the limitations will be sorted out for Pcars2 ^^;

Thanks for replying!

There's your solution. But yeah, just take out GT4.

[satco1066]

:triumphant: thx SMS

I noticed something though

I think people wanna hide the wheel are using anyways apps to have a look at tire temps, gear shifting etc.

Nope, i hide mi weel, caus i dont want to see mine and another on the screen.
For wheel users one is enough. ;)

[Khyber GT]

and still no triple screen

[madmax2069]

On the other hand, this player would rather see a static wheel with info on it than some artificial HUD displaying all kinds of things floating in the air that you never see in real life. Hence, I'm happy with this decision.

Best would be to create an option for static wheel or really no wheel IMO, of course...

Thats why you give us the options to decide what we want and dont want.

Show wheel
Remove wheel with static wheel on cars with motec on wheel
Completely remove wheel on all vehicles (with hud elememts in place, and even hud elements can be disabled). They're not needed if the player is using a wheel and has a app for his motec display.

That would satisfy everyone.

[MLT24]

Online lobbies? Still no upgrade? Why? It makes no sense? EXTREMELY LAME!

[Neil Bateman]

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?25889-In-depth-constructive-feedback&p=971550&viewfull=1#post971550

Yes that was 4 months ago, how long are we going to have to play the game before being able to save all our set ups without a pen and notebook, another 4 months.

Some idea on when would be nice so we are not dissapointed and frustrated like the last 5 times we have been reading through patch notes.

[Silvano]

Hi all,
since the patch i got a banner on the upper left screen "physix + cpu"
this comes as soon as i load the track, anybody seen that or is it just me?

[Intruder59]

How to enanble TC, ABS and SC now ? I only can disable it, tested different buttons.....

[Roger Prynne]

Hi all,
since the patch i got a banner on the upper left screen "physix + cpu"
this comes as soon as i load the track, anybody seen that or is it just me?

In NVIDIA control panel, turn off 'Show Physx Visual Indicator' in '3D Settings' menu at the top.

[Onikami]

Can you please add an integrated Telemetry program/menu and logger so we can tune the cars more accurately? Its hard to monitor the current telemetry while racing thus making it hard to pinpoint what to tune.

[Mike Ryabinin]

Lord pilots, hello! After 5 patch stopped working multiplayer - freezes the screen joining the online Session. If someone is faced with this problem, please help advice on how to fix this problem. Thanks in advance !

[DeliriumTr]

Can you please add an integrated Telemetry program/menu and logger so we can tune the cars more accurately? Its hard to monitor the current telemetry while racing thus making it hard to pinpoint what to tune.

just use the fantastic pCARS Profiler: http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?23284-pCARS-Profiler-(Telemetry-amp-Analysis)-PC-ONLY-v1-6

[Silvano]

In NVIDIA control panel, turn off 'Show Physx Visual Indicator' in '3D Settings' menu at the top.

Thanks a lot Roger, that did the trick :)

[Mahjik]

Yes that was 4 months ago, how long are we going to have to play the game before being able to save all our set ups without a pen and notebook, another 4 months.

I figured you were going to complain about the time "since" Ian's post was made. However, your statement was that over 5 patches, there had been no updates for multiple setups. That was incorrect so I corrected that (i.e. Ian's post has been made in the middle of these 5 patches). Yes, there has been mentioned from Ian over the 5 patches that it is something they are going to implement. No, SMS are not giving weekly updates on what they are or aren't working on. This is no longer WMD, so you have to wait and see.

[Shinzah]

Some idea on when would be nice so we are not dissapointed and frustrated like the last 5 times we have been reading through patch notes.

I have high doubts that this will change regardless of what happens.

SMS probably don't know when. If they knew when, they'd tell you when.

So the rational abstraction is to assume they either don't know, or simply don't want to tell you.

Probably because both of these reasons are going to make you even *more* upset is why they do neither.

[Stryker44]

and still no triple screen

At the very least, fix the telemetry screen so it doesn't stretch across all three monitors so It can be usable. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE....

[Stryker44]

Also ... Can we please fix the "Brake" "Guiding Line" so it works consistantly from lap to lap?????? Half the time it doesn't show up when it's supposed to.

[Umer Ahmad]

Guys enough of the please this please that....there other threads for those items.

Here we talk abut what IS IN Patch5 only

[pMOTORS]

Or the current sounds are actually real and you want fake nfs sounds which aren't? Just because you like them doesn't make them more realistic:)

You're talking out your a*. Everyone knows EA is good at sound and what you are saying is simply not true. Also I never asked for NFS sounds and never said just "because I like them." My point is not how good EA is but to recognize this can be done. Mod's know what I am talking about as I've explained. If you think cars here sound like real racing cars go and do a lap on the Z4 and tell me again the car sounds real. I know the same baseline has been used to generate the sound for other cars or a similar approach. Evo X, that car doesn't sound like that. and it is a stock car, you can't deny that one :P

[RomKnight]

At the very least, fix the telemetry screen so it doesn't stretch across all three monitors so It can be usable. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE....

Actually, the chat, the flags, the info about turning abs (and other stuff) on and off need that to.

[Stryker44]

Guys enough of the please this please that....there other threads for those items.

Here we talk abut what IS IN Patch5 only

Thanks alot guy.. All I hear on this forum is whining and crying and when I ask about somethin legit I get this?????? Page after page about a damn steering wheel, etc ... Really??? Fix the shit thats broke .. "patch" it's what this thread is about .. a patch

[Roger Prynne]

You're talking out your a*. Everyone knows EA is good at sound and what you are saying is simply not true. Also I never asked for NFS sounds and never said just "because I like them." My point is not how good EA is but to recognize this can be done. Mod's know what I am talking about as I've explained. If you think cars here sound like real racing cars go and do a lap on the Z4 and tell me again the car sounds real. I know the same baseline has been used to generate the sound for other cars or a similar approach. Evo X, that car doesn't sound like that. and it is a stock car, you can't deny that one :P

All the engine sounds in this game are extensively recorded from hours of real cars in all cases for a start.
It also depends on what equipment you are listening to them as well.

Back on Topic.

[Umer Ahmad]

Thanks alot guy.. All I hear on this forum is whining and crying and when I ask about somethin legit I get this?????? Page after page about a stink'n steering wheel, etc ... Really??? Fix crap thats broke .. "patch" it's what this thread is about .. a patch

1. Final warning for language, I don't care how much you bought this game for you will act respectfully at this forum
2. This thread is for questions ABOUT THIS PATCH only, other conversations will result in missed questions ABOUT THIS PATCH
3. Find an existing or open a new thread about your question UNRELATED TO THE CONTENT IN THIS PATCH

Following these steps helps keep the information easier to find for everyone

[Shinzah]

You're talking out your a*. Everyone knows EA is good at sound and what you are saying is simply not true. Also I never asked for NFS sounds and never said just "because I like them." My point is not how good EA is but to recognize this can be done. Mod's know what I am talking about as I've explained. If you think cars here sound like real racing cars go and do a lap on the Z4 and tell me again the car sounds real. I know the same baseline has been used to generate the sound for other cars or a similar approach. Evo X, that car doesn't sound like that. and it is a stock car, you can't deny that one :P


. Everyone knows EA is good at sound and what you are saying is simply not true.


Everyone knows EA is good at sound


EA is good at sound


EA is good

I'm sorry. What..?

https://media.giphy.com/media/FxEwsOF1D79za/giphy.gif

Also the FQ-400 sounds EXACTLY like an FQ-400


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB4a-azs5t8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzbfgc3Uqt0


Evo X, that car doesn't sound like that. and it is a stock car, you can't deny that one :P

and it is a stock car, you can't deny that one :P

a stock car

Evo X, that car doesn't sound like that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06CDhQ8S-DA


Edit: I'm sorry for the OT but this "Cars don't sound like they should" crap is getting out of hand.

[jaymondo]

Yes that was 4 months ago, how long are we going to have to play the game before being able to save all our set ups without a pen and notebook, another 4 months.

Some idea on when would be nice so we are not dissapointed and frustrated like the last 5 times we have been reading through patch notes.

Couldnt agree with you more, Cant use the product properly until this feature is present, but the couple of people with the VR headsets are more important. Apparently

[jaymondo]

In the world of Business sometimes its enough just to give people some information, an official comment, or mention on a to do list or something. If its good enough for the likes of AMD and Nvidia, then I am sure the "project" could handle it. Having said all that running list of bug fixes and project completion is not possible or viable. On a positive note, (yes, really, from me!) I hooked up my old Track IR 5 last night, and it works great. Well done to everyone who made that possible.

[jaymondo]

They do it get it right most of the time, the recent Lola-Aston Martin P1 sounds awesome, just like the real thing. (Which I experienced at Silverstone and Le Mans a couple of times)

[Shinzah]

Couldnt agree with you more, Cant use the product properly until this feature is present, but the couple of people with the VR headsets are more important. Apparently

I don't understand how this is proper use of the product. The product is perfectly functional without it. This is purely vanity.

[Racket]

* Fixed an issue that caused the player’s view to switch from helmet camera to cockpit camera during pit stops.

Honestly, one of the most important fixes for me. Thanks so much for sorting this!

[TrevorAustin]

You're talking out your a*. Everyone knows EA is good at sound and what you are saying is simply not true. Also I never asked for NFS sounds and never said just "because I like them." My point is not how good EA is but to recognize this can be done. Mod's know what I am talking about as I've explained. If you think cars here sound like real racing cars go and do a lap on the Z4 and tell me again the car sounds real. I know the same baseline has been used to generate the sound for other cars or a similar approach. Evo X, that car doesn't sound like that. and it is a stock car, you can't deny that one :P

It's you with verbal diarrhoea, another blocked whinger.

[Umer Ahmad]

Stop with the insults please, everyone

[Dynomight Motorsports]

is there a time frame in place before we see the submission of this patch to the consoles for validation?

[Shinzah]

is there a time frame in place before we see the submission of this patch to the consoles for validation?

It was probably already submitted.

[Azure Flare]

is there a time frame in place before we see the submission of this patch to the consoles for validation?

SMSoon. ;)

[Roger Prynne]

is there a time frame in place before we see the submission of this patch to the consoles for validation?

I don't think that anyone really want's to answer that :barbershop_quartet_

[N0body Of The Goat]

It looks as if it also messes up "random" weather.

I created a forced default setups server on a public dedicated server, with 4 slots of "random" at x15 weather progression, with 15mins qual; 5mins warmup; 7 lap race.

I think the weather pattern repeated itself in the race, from the sequence we had in qual and warmup.

Yes, it could randomly happen to be the same, but the odds are pretty small! ;)

[Liquid_Drummer]

Speaking of weather issues... Try loading a replay with rain. It nearly seems random. The wipers are always on but the weather could be anything. Easy to reproduce.

[Stryker44]

LOL .. thats funny!!!

[Stryker44]

Edit: I'm sorry for the OT but this "Cars don't sound like they should" crap is getting out of hand.

Humm???

[Slowsley]

I didn't see it in patch notes, but you now look left/right much quicker. It's actually functional now without feeling drunk!

[wOoDsTeR16]

It was probably already submitted.

So could we be seeing the patch notes anytime soon?

[Shinzah]

So could we be seeing the patch notes anytime soon?

Don't know. The last patch went through so quickly that SMS was caught off by it. This one seems to not. It seems up to an approval process for both consoles. I expect it won't be more than a few more days, but I don't know. I'm pretty sure they try to line them up so everyone gets their patch on their platform at around the same time, though.

[N0body Of The Goat]

Just completed a test session on a public dedicated server (thought it was "Official SMS testing server" but just remembered I had to abandon that test, due to my wheel button IDs changing so my paddles were not gear up/down etc.)...

Spa
Formula A
4 weather slots (clear> hazy> heavy cloud> light rain) x5 progression
6th July 2015 @ race start 1200
Forced default setups
Visual only damage
Forced real assists
x4 tyre wear
15mins qual
11 lap race

During qualifying, the weather progressed as expected from "clear," to "hazy" conditions setting in.

But then at the race start, the time reverted to 1200 (instead of the race starting at ~1216) and the sky returned to "clear" again, instead of continuing "hazy" and heading towards a wet finish to the race.

[N0body Of The Goat]

During the above Formula A @ Spa race, I had a minor incident on lap1 heading up Kemmel Straight, leaving me ~7secs behind the race leader.

I gradually pegged away at their lead, knocking it down to ~6secs, but by lap 6 my soft slick tyres were very worn.

So I decided to pit, in the hope that my pit crew would replace the ~80% worn tyres, so I could try "the undercut" by having faster race pace on fresh slicks.

But I pitted and my crew did not change the tyres. :(

I kept quiet about what happened to me and completed the race (on bald tyres for the 10th and 11th lap), but others had the same happen to them and were vocal (and quit).

I know from previous testing in patch 5.0, the pit crew will change tyres in changing wet/dry conditions (albeit they seem to be picky about when they will change from dry slicks to rain tyres or vice versa), but it seems their logic about when to change could do with improving.

[wOoDsTeR16]

Don't know. The last patch went through so quickly that SMS was caught off by it. This one seems to not. It seems up to an approval process for both consoles. I expect it won't be more than a few more days, but I don't know. I'm pretty sure they try to line them up so everyone gets their patch on their platform at around the same time, though.

Thanks buddy

[JupiterJoe]

During qualifying, the weather progressed as expected from "clear," to "hazy" conditions setting in.

But then at the race start, the time reverted to 1200 (instead of the race starting at ~1216) and the sky returned to "clear" again, instead of continuing "hazy" and heading towards a wet finish to the race.
I too have experienced the weather/time resetting over the course of a race weekend since Patch 5.0. How exactly is the race weekend time-frame simulated? I usually have P1, P2, Qualy and warm-up. If the race is set to start at 1pm for example, when do these other sessions take place?

[N0body Of The Goat]

I too have experienced the weather/time resetting over the course of a race weekend since Patch 5.0. How exactly is the race weekend time-frame simulated? I usually have P1, P2, Qualy and warm-up. If the race is set to start at 1pm for example, when do these other sessions take place?

Well before patch 5.0, if you put "race start" as 1300, your P1 would have started at 1300 and the time of all the other sessions would depend upon the length of each session and any time progression multiplier.

In patch 5.0, every single session (P1; p2; Quali; Warmup; race) will start at 1300 and the weather sequence (in a multi-slot setup) appears to restart as well. :(

[JupiterJoe]

Well before patch 5.0, if you put "race start" as 1300, your P1 would have started at 1300 and the time of all the other sessions would depend upon the length of each session and any time progression multiplier.

In patch 5.0, every single session (P1; p2; Quali; Warmup; race) will start at 1300 and the weather sequence (in a multi-slot setup) appears to restart as well. :(Thank you for the information. It would be nice if the practice sessions started earlier in the day cycle (in reality they take place in the morning on different days, in F1 at least), with different weather (if you have 'real weather' selected).

[Machinist90]

* Fixed an issue that caused the player’s view to switch from helmet camera to cockpit camera during pit stops

Just reporting this is not fixed

[Mahjik]

* Fixed an issue that caused the player’s view to switch from helmet camera to cockpit camera during pit stops

Just reporting this is not fixed

How it works currently is that during the pitstop, it switches to cockpit. However, it should switch back to helmet when you are released. Is this not happening for you?

[Machinist90]

How it works currently is that during the pitstop, it switches to cockpit. However, it should switch back to helmet when you are released. Is this not happening for you?

oooh I thought it stayed helmet the whole time,I'll have to check again then

EDIT: checked and it indeed changes back,nevermind the report then

[Mahjik]

oooh I thought it stayed helmet the whole time,I'll have to check again then

EDIT: checked and it indeed changes back,nevermind the report then

Good deal. I'm not sure why it changes at all, but I'm assuming it's for the upcoming pit crew animations.

[ladn]

Hi,
Anyone know how vr fullscreen works for oculus rift?
My second monitor only comes in black screen and window mode.

[Mahjik]

Hi,
Anyone know how vr fullscreen works for oculus rift?
My second monitor only comes in black screen and window mode.

You might join into this thread:

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?21856-Oculus-rift-DK2-Setup-Guide

[jaymondo]

I don't understand how this is proper use of the product. The product is perfectly functional without it. This is purely vanity.

I stand by my comment, if your playing multiplayer, on a circuit, chosen by someone else, you cant use your setup without to resulting in typing in your setup like some 1990s computer mag listings page, was really saddened by reputation warning for whining, come on.

[surtic86]

Hi,
Anyone know how vr fullscreen works for oculus rift?
My second monitor only comes in black screen and window mode.

you can add -vrfullscreen but the vr mirror don't work right now... you will get always a black screen.

[Shinzah]

I stand by my comment, if your playing multiplayer, on a circuit, chosen by someone else, you cant use your setup without to resulting in typing in your setup like some 1990s computer mag listings page, was really saddened by reputation warning for whining, come on.

I didn't think you were whining. I don't think that was a fair reputation comment to you. I think you were being vain, and nothing more. I understand your standpoint. I simply do not abide by it.

There are far more people with far worse posts who probably far more deserve such a reputation comment. I really don't care about arbitrary internet points, and if I have things to say I'll do it here or in a PM. ^^;

[Racer Pro]

patch 5.0 tomorrow for PS4 ?

[axelat]

When using the rift, the menus are not shown in the mirror display (computer monitor) is there a way to enable this?

How can I access second or third tab in menus (eg. wheater conditions for a race)...

[Stocky]

The weather reset on our League as well, after an hour practice.

[Dynomight Motorsports]

patch 5.0 tomorrow for PS4 ?

Whooooaaa.. doesn't sound like they got all the bugs out yet.. No need to release broken patches.

[Stocky]

Have to change all the weather & time progressions for our league now, because of the new bug introduced with 5.0.

Does anyone know for sure if random weather resets with every session change, no matter what weather progression is set to?

I know that time progression does, but haven't tested weather yet.

[LotusTeam]

I'll inquire about this and let you know.

Hi Stephen,

I hate to ask but could that new Aston Martin DLC + Mojave track + Free car be available soon in Hong Kong? We Hong Kong PS4 users still get nothing on the local PS store, could you please advise what might be happening here?

[Elmo]

Hi Stephen,

I hate to ask but could that new Aston Martin DLC + Mojave track + Free car be available soon in Hong Kong? We Hong Kong PS4 users still get nothing on the local PS store, could you please advise what might be happening here?

Stephen is on this. No need to repeat the same thing over several threads. Especially not in this one, since it has nothing to do with this matter.

[DerrickHUN]

Dear SMS!

I don't have enough time to read every topic, (my english is poor too) so I'm asking: Is there any chance FRIEND'S TIME FILTER in EVENTS and CAR FILTER in TIME TRIAL ? (because too big difference between cars in the same class, and in event I need friend's time filter too...)

I have to say: I like tis game with my Fanatec GT2 wheel !

[LotusTeam]

Stephen is on this. No need to repeat the same thing over several threads. Especially not in this one, since it has nothing to do with this matter.

ok understood! I'll leave this thread back to its purpose and yes.... my message had been posted again in a proper thread already, sorry if somebody was bothered as I had been bemoaning myself repeatedly....

[Stephen Viljoen]

Hi SMS,

I am writing this because I can see there are some notes on the new Aston DLC vehicle included in the coming PC patch 5.0 pre-release notes, which i guess consoles version patch will be released not for long, I just want to report this to you that until now Hong Kong PSN region (Hong Kong PS4 users) still hasn't got the Mojave track + Free Car + New Aston Martin DLC yet, we are fans of your masterpiece and we are willing to pay for any kind of DLC including all livery packages which incurred costs, but seems Hong Kong people now were being forgotten, can you please look into this? Or should we ask Bandai Namco instead? Can you give us some hints on who we should contact if so...?


NAMCO explained the situation - Briefly, DLCs are typically released in Asia the day after Europe due to time differences. The delay with this DLC was as a result of the 'perfect storm' of circumstances but primarily involving a lot of Japanese Holidays over September. The timeline is for this DLC to roll out on the 13th October (tomorrow). NAMCO have assured us that this was a once-off issue and won't happen again.

Sorry about your pain with this, and please confirm back on the DLC release.

[Stocky]

It looks as if it also messes up "random" weather.

I created a forced default setups server on a public dedicated server, with 4 slots of "random" at x15 weather progression, with 15mins qual; 5mins warmup; 7 lap race.

I think the weather pattern repeated itself in the race, from the sequence we had in qual and warmup.

Yes, it could randomly happen to be the same, but the odds are pretty small! ;)

I tested this with Random, and yes, it seems to reset every session, but I did not get the same weather when it restarted because it was random.
Am still testing, it's a little time consuming.

Why does every patch seem to be one step forward and one step back? It doesn't seem like weather was even touched in this patch, but yet it was broken after.

[Sparkie84]

I can tell you from the WMD days that it is the opinion of the sound team that the exhaust sounds are not heard so much in the cabin, especially not over the engine/transmission. So this can be considered an "artistic" decision (the exhaust sounds exist in the game if you watch replay or drive with chase camera). And the decision was not unanimous. i remember even some SMS people also requesting what you are asking, but we give the artists room to work and express their views.

My only issue with this is outside camera viewpoints - the player's car is loud but I can hardly hear the AI (unless its a Z4 GT3 in which case its 'medium' volume) - I seem to recall GTR2 had separate player and AI volume controls - would this be relatively easy to replicate for pCARS? I do realise its very difficult to balance when some cars are much louder IRL than others, and is likely to sit very far down the list of issues.


They do it get it right most of the time, the recent Lola-Aston Martin P1 sounds awesome, just like the real thing. (Which I experienced at Silverstone and Le Mans a couple of times)

I find it sounds like the original 2008 version of the car (externally at least), which was like a higher-revving DBR9. Not a bad thing at all, but noticeably different.

Anyway I realise those two points are off topic, so just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work going into these patches. PCARS has come a very long way in 4-5 months.

[Stocky]

The new time/weather progression bug is no joke.
The bug is, time & weather progression does not progress from session to session, and restarts from the beginning at the beginning of each session.

Wait until all the leagues that use weather or time progression start running their races this week, and haven't read these posts yet.

There are many issues with the game, but at least the leagues have worked through most of them, and therefore love this game still and have a reason to keep playing.
But this new bug messes with league races with any weather scenarios & time scenarios set , and if we have to put the league on hold, I think we'll lose many drivers.

I hope there will be a hot fix for this soon, and not make us wait 3-4 weeks for 6.0.

[TrevorAustin]

Dear SMS!

I don't have enough time to read every topic, (my english is poor too) so I'm asking: Is there any chance FRIEND'S TIME FILTER in EVENTS and CAR FILTER in TIME TRIAL ? (because too big difference between cars in the same class, and in event I need friend's time filter too...)

I have to say: I like tis game with my Fanatec GT2 wheel !

Haven't got time to read your post.

[smartin13]

cockpit view in the aston martin gte is to bright since 5.0

[bigdaddyx2005]

work around for the weather and time is just turn it off and set the race for a start time and be done with it for now till fixed.....no biggy man..if ya want a night race start it at night it ya want a day race start it at day. no different than the curse word forza lol......

[Stocky]

work around for the weather and time is just turn it off and set the race for a start time and be done with it for now till fixed.....no biggy man..if ya want a night race start it at night it ya want a day race start it at day. no different than the curse word forza lol......

Yes, for time progression I have already done that for my league.

But it's not that easy for weather. There is no work around unless you use fixed single slot weather.

If you use random fixed, the timing is all off since you can't use time syncs any more by adding or subtracting from different sessions. And forget more slots other than fixed, because it resets each session. And there is no 3x or 4x progression, so it becomes even harder to set a good scenario.

If you use more than one slot and have prepared scenarios in your leagues, that's completely out the window now too.

We are all stuck with fixed weather now, and that is a "biggy" for leagues.

You get the same "1 hour programmed fix slot" over and over again.

We do not want fixed weather, and you can no longer program the weather with weather progression. And random is not the answer without using progression properly.

Kind of stuck now using random with 5x weather progression for the league now. It's way more than what I wanted, but off, 1x, & 2x depending on how long your sessions are, no longer do the trick, since it resets and you can't really get it to a 2nd slot, unless you have long practices and qualifies.

[armanluq]

When we can have a real replay without bugs?
Skins changed, cars sttoped in finish line, drivers names, free camera, etc.
For communities that organize serious championships, it is an indispensable tool.
Cheers

[Stocky]

When we can have a real replay without bugs?
Skins changed, cars sttoped in finish line, drivers names, free camera, etc.
For communities that organize serious championships, it is an indispensable tool.
Cheers

Agree, this is one of the things most complained about in our league, along with saving car set ups.

We post screenshots and replays of all our races in our forums, and they are never the right skins, not to mention half the field is stuck on the line. Names, yeh, that would be great too.

[ladn]

You might join into this thread:

http://forum.projectcarsgame.com/showthread.php?21856-Oculus-rift-DK2-Setup-Guide

Hi,
I have DK2 with SDK 0.7, Win 10 plus an extra monitor. whereas the rift works perfectly. the monitor turns black and larger than the screen even setting it goes to full screen window mode and 1920x1080. I read in the update patch 5.0 that was "-vrfullscreen Added command line option to use when using second screen, to use the entire screen instead of windowed mode"

[TrevorAustin]

Don't get your question?

[bobfromaccounting]

Has anyone noticed the crazy numbers the transmissions have after the update. The speeds are still correct, but sometimes they will read with a 8.xx 1st gear and 4.xx 6th which is just crazy.

[Jan Studenski]

Has anyone noticed the crazy numbers the transmissions have after the update. The speeds are still correct, but sometimes they will read with a 8.xx 1st gear and 4.xx 6th which is just crazy.

Had that already in Patch 4.0 - but for me it happend only twice since Patch 4.0
I know a friend of mine, it happend multiple times to him

[Stocky]

Yes, for time progression I have already done that for my league.

But it's not that easy for weather. There is no work around unless you use fixed single slot weather.

If you use random fixed, the timing is all off since you can't use time syncs any more by adding or subtracting from different sessions. And forget more slots other than fixed, because it resets each session. And there is no 3x or 4x progression, so it becomes even harder to set a good scenario.

If you use more than one slot and have prepared scenarios in your leagues, that's completely out the window now too.

We are all stuck with fixed weather now, and that is a "biggy" for leagues.

You get the same "1 hour programmed fix slot" over and over again.

We do not want fixed weather, and you can no longer program the weather with weather progression. And random is not the answer without using progression properly.

Kind of stuck now using random with 5x weather progression for the league now. It's way more than what I wanted, but off, 1x, & 2x depending on how long your sessions are, no longer do the trick, since it resets and you can't really get it to a 2nd slot, unless you have long practices and qualifies.

Ok, it's even worse.

Our league tested this tonight.

Online Only (didn't test multi player)
1-4 slots random weather, doesn't matter how many slots.
Weather progression 5x, but it doesn't matter.
Even though it's random, when the session restarts, it repeats the exact same order as the previous session.

How does a random order, repeat the same random order for every session? I just don't get it.

We tried 30x weather progression as well, all random slots.
2 each 10 min practices, a 10 min qual, and a 10 min warm up.

Each session had the same weather in the same order, as well as the race.

So everyone knew what the order the weather would be for the race, and prepared ahead.

This is unacceptable and we are now considering cancelling our season with random weather.
We can't find a way around this, and we already have a season with fixed weather.

Hopefully there will be a hot fix for this before the weekend.

[SUBGTRACER]

Ok, it's even worse.

Our league tested this tonight.

Online Only (didn't test multi player)
1-4 slots random weather, doesn't matter how many slots.
Weather progression 5x, but it doesn't matter.
Even though it's random, when the session restarts, it repeats the exact same order as the previous session.

How does a random order, repeat the same random order for every session? I just don't get it.

We tried 30x weather progression as well, all random slots.
2 each 10 min practices, a 10 min qual, and a 10 min warm up.

Each session had the same weather in the same order, as well as the race.

So everyone knew what the order the weather would be for the race, and prepared ahead.

This is unacceptable and we are now considering cancelling our season with random weather.
We can't find a way around this, and we already have a season with fixed weather.

Hopefully there will be a hot fix for this before the weekend.

Hot fix before the weekend , I haven't seen one hot fix for this game ......don't like your chances

[Invincible]

Hot fix before the weekend , I haven't seen one hot fix for this game ......don't like your chances

Because they take ages to get certified on consoles and the 5.0 patch is probably near release already.

[LotusTeam]

NAMCO explained the situation - Briefly, DLCs are typically released in Asia the day after Europe due to time differences. The delay with this DLC was as a result of the 'perfect storm' of circumstances but primarily involving a lot of Japanese Holidays over September. The timeline is for this DLC to roll out on the 13th October (tomorrow). NAMCO have assured us that this was a once-off issue and won't happen again.

Sorry about your pain with this, and please confirm back on the DLC release.

Stephen I can't thank for more on your help about the DLC release, yes we Hong Kong people can download it right now! You guys just keep up the good work and we appreciate all your effort on making pCARS better and better! Thank you so much!

[KimKom]

Dont know if this has been reported but ... the in c/pit exposure in sunny conditions in the AM Vantage GTE is way too bright now , there's way too much glare from the road surface .
Tested at Barcalona with various cars and the AM V GTE is way off now .

Agree. I also noticed this at Barcelona, I don't know if it was doing the same at other circuits.

[Invincible]

Agree. I also noticed this at Barcelona, I don't know if it was doing the same at other circuits.

On the Nordschleife at least it was fine for me. Although, I find most cars too dark in sunny conditions and the GTE hits the sweet spot for me.

[bigdaddyx2005]

i dont see the issue I guess cause we dont use random weather we use one slot one weather for the whole race. Time progression is the thing we use the most so track temp and time of day is what we tune and race by.

[Akra]

I don't know if it happens on other platforms, but can the Xbox users PLEASE get a fix for the setup saving bug? This is a sim and we can't even save setups.

[Stocky]

Hot fix before the weekend , I haven't seen one hot fix for this game ......don't like your chances

Yeh, I'm not counting on it, but I have until Friday, at which point I will be cancelling one of our leagues seasons.

Very disappointing for our League, and our drivers.

[Sankyo]

I don't know if it happens on other platforms, but can the Xbox users PLEASE get a fix for the setup saving bug? This is a sim and we can't even save setups.

It's being looked into. As soon as a fix has been found, it will be included in the next patch.

[Lawndarts]

Hate to suggest turning us guys into beta testers but nearly every patch has had rather big flaws introduced into already working systems. The whole game still seems to be in some form of development and really isn't in a state where big patches are improving the product as much as they should.

To help this, releasing a patch 1-2 weeks earlier on PC could catch all these smaller digressive bugs, and other concerns, allowing for a small window to fix "straight forward" issues so the console patches can be that much more solid.

Or a beta branch could be opened up to more users so issues can be caught prior to release. I'm actually a bit surprised this isn't happening now, especially considering the WMD setup during dev.

New bugs are one thing, but when obvious bugs and errors to existing working systems (a perpetual pain and reality) make it into released patches it can really erode the consumer perception in the product.

[Stocky]

Hate to suggest turning us guys into beta testers but nearly every patch has had rather big flaws introduced into already working systems. The whole game still seems to be in some form of development and really isn't in a state where big patches are improving the product as much as they should.

To help this, releasing a patch 1-2 weeks earlier on PC could catch all these smaller digressive bugs, and other concerns, allowing for a small window to fix "straight forward" issues so the console patches can be that much more solid.

Or a beta branch could be opened up to more users so issues can be caught prior to release. I'm actually a bit surprised this isn't happening now, especially considering the WMD setup during dev.

New bugs are one thing, but when obvious bugs and errors to existing working systems (a perpetual pain and reality) make it into released patches it can really erode the consumer perception in the product.

I think that's a great idea, but unfortunately I think it's too late. The game has been out for 5 months now, and every patch has been useless or a disaster. I don't think many even care anymore and have given up.

This game/sim even with all it's flaws, was heads & tails better than it's competitors. We all thought, it will only get better as patches & improvements come out, so we'll deal with the flaws for now. That's not the sentiment in our League any more. It's almost at the point where we don't want any more patches, because something else detrimental gets broken, and they aren't fixing what truly needs fixing any way.

[Umer Ahmad]

^chill out dude. Cubs are winning (unless you're a Sox fan)

[Stocky]

Thought I found a work around to the weather bug, by using sync to race, which I never tried before.

But, instead I found another bug or broken feature.

If you set sync to race using all 4 slots set to random, the race will be "current weather random" & "forecast random", instead of it picking a particular weather scenario. And unfortunately random is always clear weather.
If you set the first slot to storm, the 2nd slot to random, the 3rd slot to fog, and the 4th slot to random you get...... current weather storm, forecast random........then current weather random, forecast fog...... then current weather fog, forecast random...... and last current weather random.

All randoms in that scenario, are clear. Online & single player with the sync option.

So the sync to race works, but random isn't activated and always simulates clear and labels it as random.


Back to the drawing board, tho out of ideas. Seems anything with random is fubar.


All I wanted to do, is generate a 45 minute race, to change weather 3-4 times, randomly. (without it being duplicated in practice, qualify, and warm up)(that defeats the purpose if you know the order from session to session)
Seems simple enough, and was possible before patch 5.0.

[lacslyer]

I don't understand how this is proper use of the product. The product is perfectly functional without it. This is purely vanity.

Being able to save setups in a sim racing game is now purely vanity?

[tomtparis]

Being able to save setups in a sim racing game is now purely vanity?

i think this feature is basic and standard since 20 years.wondering why PCars dont program that into the Game ???Beside of all of those other bug`s the "save setups" Option should implementet as soon as possible.please.

[Shinzah]

Being able to save setups in a sim racing game is now purely vanity?

Yes.

Basic questions.

Is it required for the function of the game? No.
Is it required within the rules of the game? No.
Is it in any way, integral to anything? No.

Vanity. If you can't write down, memorize, keep your own notes, or use the new setup site. This is a personal problem. You're asking for a handholding feature that makes life easier for you out of laziness.

[crowtrobot]

You're asking for a handholding feature that makes life easier for you out of laziness.
Your self-righteousness really knows no bounds.

Why bother having all these graphical elements at all when we could just launch Project CARS from command-line with setup flags? If you are using any sort of GUI you have no grounds to call anyone lazy for wanting a more convenient interface for dealing with setups.

[redruMKO]

...and why do they bother compiling it for us? We should have to do that ourselves too.

/sarcasm

[Shinzah]

*shrug*

If you don't like the game, you're welcome to either wait patiently, or indeed go and make your own game.

I really don't care how entitled you guys think you are to these things, and I really don't care what you think of me for thinking so.

[diesel97]

Yes.

Basic questions.

Is it required for the function of the game? No.
Is it required within the rules of the game? No.
Is it in any way, integral to anything? No.

Vanity. If you can't write down, memorize, keep your own notes, or use the new setup site. This is a personal problem. You're asking for a handholding feature that makes life easier for you out of laziness.

You should also get on your treadmill and power your PC so you can play the game , you really need to get off the fan boy juice just alittle bit it makes you look foolish