NVIDIA Challenger Series: Round 1: Bentley GT3 at Monza

[Joseph Barron]

Round 1 of the NVIDIA Challenger Series opens tonight at midnight UK time.

Enter via the Community Events screen in-game, on all platforms. You will be driving the Bentley GT3 car at Monza.

Only teams which registered during preseason will be eligible to score team championship points. All drivers are eligible for driver championship points.

In the 2016 season, there are separate Divisions for PC and Console players.

Event regulations

Please read the FULL regulations on our Esports website (http://www.projectcarsesports.com/2016-nvidia-challenger-series.html). It is your responsibility as a competitor to read these. If you breach the rules either deliberately, or accidentally, ignorance is not an excuse.

TRACK LIMITS

It is critical that you obey the rules on track limits.

Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt, the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not. A driver will be judged to have left the track if fewer than two wheels remain in contact with the track.

It is possible that you can cut the track or run wide without the game penalising you, and therefore your time & ghost will still appear on the leaderboard. SMS staff will review all of the ghost laps on the leaderboards. If we can see from your ghost that you cut the track or ran wide at any point, then we will not include your time in the official results.

You must obey the track limits rules around the entire circuit, but please pay particular care at:

- The first chicane (turns 1 & 2)
- The second chicane (turns 4 & 5)
- The exit of both Lesmo corners (turns 6 & 7)
- The run-off at the exit of the Ascari Chicane (turn 10)
- The run-off at the exit of the Parabolica (turn 11)

If you are unsure which corners these are, please see this circuit map (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Monza_track_map.svg/2000px-Monza_track_map.svg.png).

Improved times with track cuts

If you improve your time on the leaderboard, but exceed track limits on your new lap, then your time will be ignored as described above. If this happens, we do not roll back to your previous valid lap time. Only your fastest lap on the leaderboard at the end of the event will be considered for the final results.

Therefore, if during a lap you think that you might have cut a corner or run-wide even slightly, please back-off & abandon the lap, rather than set an invalid lap for the leaderboard. Otherwise you risk setting an invalid lap that you cannot replace with a faster, valid lap before the end of the event, meaning you miss out on possible championship points.

Improving your time in the final hour of the event

If you are still improving your times in the final hour of the event on Monday night, please consider recording video footage of your lap. If you improve your lap at the very end and for some reason we cannot review your ghost, we may request that you provide video footage of the lap so that we can check that you didn't cut the track. Failure to provide this footage can result in your time being left out of the official results.

In the footage, we ideally need to see the chase camera and the TV cameras from the replay of your lap. Your video should also show the in-game pause screen, displaying the lap-time, to prove that the video footage matches the time on the leaderboard.

That's all the boring stuff out of the way now. Good luck this weekend!

[RC Bizkiller248]

Good to see all this stuff ! Good luck for all drivers ! #RC

[graveltrap]

Well I like he car and track combo :)

Observations from the PS4, weather is clear again and not light cloud, in car FFB is forced to default levels, (in car I have everything to 0 other than Fy which is 22 and Mz which is 90) so the change is noticeable for me, however you can adjust things like tyre force and FFB level to make the wheel more manageable.

Feels like default fuel load judging from my lap times, but it is indicated a 5l in car. As long as it's the same for everyone it is not a problem.

[N0body Of The Goat]

http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard/event?event=86 shows a lot of times with non-default car setups on PC.

[Thomas Sikora]

as i understand the setup is forces,
is it nessesery to set it in the setup menu to default for monza or will it be automaticly forced to default?

[graveltrap]

It is forced to default for this event, so no need to do anything, other than press the button to start. It will not overwrite your saved setup so I would presume that is why we see custom setup being displayed on the PC leaderboard.

[cluck]

I just created a custom setup for the Bentley and then went straight to the event and set a deliberately very slow time. Just waiting for the event leaderboard to refresh to see whether it shows 'default' or 'custom'. What I will say is that the setup in the event felt very much 100% default. Just interested to see how it appears on the leaderboard, that's all.

Re. driver aids, I was not able to switch them on and off mid-lap, I was forced to have whatever they are set as in the general game setup. Pressing the buttons not only brought up N/A on screen, it had no effect on the driver aid itself - ie, if it was already enabled then it stayed enabled.

EDIT : Yep, my time shows as a custom setup, but there is no way it was running the setup I created, it felt exactly the same as the default setup I ran some time trial laps with before the event started :).

[Figuur84]

I just created a custom setup for the Bentley and then went straight to the event and set a deliberately very slow time. Just waiting for the event leaderboard to refresh to see whether it shows 'default' or 'custom'. What I will say is that the setup in the event felt very much 100% default. Just interested to see how it appears on the leaderboard, that's all.

Re. driver aids, I was not able to switch them on and off mid-lap, I was forced to have whatever they are set as in the general game setup. Pressing the buttons not only brought up N/A on screen, it had no effect on the driver aid itself - ie, if it was already enabled then it stayed enabled.

Jeah, on ps4 same, however still only 'real settings' are possible. No stability control available. Not with the 'assign-button' (we can't use them too, N/A on all assists), also not working if you turn it on in the menu.

[Siberian Tiger]

And in my eyes it's good that only REAL Assits are possible....
The Assist in pCars make you faster not slower..

[Figuur84]

And in my eyes it's good that only REAL Assits are possible....
The Assist in pCars make you faster not slower..

I'm okay with whatever settings. Problem is that there was told that all assists where available. So we practiced a lot with assists. And now it turnes out different. Also with the LGCS, our setups where partly useless. Al that work was for nothing. And then there is the problem of the settings. In the event there is way less grip then for example in time trial. I would like to know for the future what the date/time/weather settings sms uses for the events. Then we can practice and tune in these same conditions.

[cluck]

And in my eyes it's good that only REAL Assits are possible....
The Assist in pCars make you faster not slower..Not always :)

Besides, the devs stated that assists were going to be 'open' on these events to give as many people as possible a chance to enter. It does appear, however, that for some at least, it is not possible to change the assists. In case people wonder why 'Stability Control' appears enabled for some times in the LB, this is a long-standing bug whereby 'Real Assists' shows all of the assists as enabled (ABS, TC and SC) :).

EDIT : Thinking about it, I'm not sure Stability Control shows up in the hud, so that should be possible to be active from the driver aids in the main game window.

[cluck]

I'm okay with whatever settings. Problem is that there was told that all assists where available. So we practiced a lot with assists. And now it turnes out different. Also with the LGCS, our setups where partly useless. Al that work was for nothing. And then there is the problem of the settings. In the event there is way less grip then for example in time trial. I would like to know for the future what the date/time/weather settings sms uses for the events. Then we can practice and tune in these same conditions.Personally, I would rather that wasn't the case as it allows for a more level playing field. I know this isn't 'real life' but how many racing drivers know in advance exactly what conditions they are going to face on the day? :).

[DavidCore89]

Good to see real assists being forced, even if it conflicts the info we were given before the series began.

Just to confirm - Does everyone else on PS4 have tyre wear forced on?

[Th3Pr0ph3cy]

EDIT : Yep, my time shows as a custom setup, but there is no way it was running the setup I created, it felt exactly the same as the default setup I ran some time trial laps with before the event started :).

I wonder that people are willing to accept this. There is no guarantee that this is true. The leaderboard itself shows something different. And that is exactly what I meant in some other postings in another thread... there is no reliability at all. You can not trust the results.

[cluck]

I wonder that people are willing to accept this. There is no guarantee that this is true. The leaderboard itself shows something different. And that is exactly what I meant in some other postings in another thread... there is no reliability at all. You can not trust the results.Custom setup times will stick out like a sore thumb :). There is a limit to what's possible with the default setup and the current #1 time is not far short of that limit :). Running much lower fuel and closing off the brake/radiator vents, for example, will instantly yield results that will produce unrealistic times for a 'default setup' :).

[Figuur84]

Good to see real assists being forced, even if it conflicts the info we were given before the series began.

Just to confirm - Does everyone else on PS4 have tyre wear forced on?

Yeah wel I have to disagree with you here. If this is a serious event, you just can't change this kind of things at the start of an event. As I stated before, I don't mind 'real' settings, but do not change it out of the blue at the first race.

As for tyre wear, yeah it is forced on here as well.

[Th3Pr0ph3cy]

Custom setup times will stick out like a sore thumb :). There is a limit to what's possible with the default setup and the current #1 time is not far short of that limit :). Running much lower fuel and closing off the brake/radiator vents, for example, will instantly yield results that will produce unrealistic times for a 'default setup' :).

I guess you are not willing to understand me. It doesnt matter what someone feels, it doesnt matter if I believe you - the only thing that matters is -> What you see is not what you get - and that is really sad...
And btw. I did some practice last weekend with another ESL Member (will not provide his name cause I dont know if he is feeling good with it) We were out for a race on Imola cause it was the given track for the ESL Go4 Challenge. Obeying the rules we created the race with force default setup. As the Ginetta is the fastest car in the GT4 class we both chooses it. The fastest Time I seen on Imola at that time was 1:48... done by some of the SDL Guys. But what I now saw was unbelievable stuff. My practise Partner was doing a 1:40.... with the Ginetta what is impossible. He said he couldn't explain what happened only that the car was running incredible fast. We setup a new Lobby with some GT3 Cars. Both running MCLaren 12C GT3. The same thing happenend his car was running up to 10 seconds per lap faster than the best time ever seen on the leaderboards. He did a Project Cars restart and the same "bug" occurs. Equal to what we tried he got a turbo car from another planet. He stated not to take part at the ESL cause anyone would name him cheater. I tried to persuade him to take part at the ESL so the others can all see that something is wrong with the game. But he was not willing to do so. Only after he started his PC completely new the "turbo"-function was gone... and for sure I expect that no one will believe that, i saved the replay of one of the sessions to proof it... I will upload it asap...

EDIT: OK here you go...this is the Video with the "TurboCar"-Bug
http://www.dragon-design.de/ProjectCarsEslPracticebug.mp4

[N0body Of The Goat]

Good to see real assists being forced, even if it conflicts the info we were given before the series began.

Just to confirm - Does everyone else on PS4 have tyre wear forced on?

So far, I've simply set a time without trying any exploits on PC, which is ~1min49.0secs (hardly setting the world on fire, not a car I have ever driven much and I use cockpit cam {not this external fakery being used by many of the top times}).

I will start looking at what exploits appear to work shortly, including...
Tyre wear off
Mechanical damage off
Fuel use off
Creating a custom setup with minimum fuel in Free Practice (which did seem to recently affect standard TT)

You can get a reasonable idea of TT/event conditions by setting 1st March (2016?) @ 1100 in Free Practice.

[cluck]

So far, I've simply set a time without trying any exploits on PC, which is ~1min49.0secs (hardly setting the world on fire, not a car I have ever driven much and I use cockpit cam {not this external fakery being used by many of the top times}).

I will start looking at what exploits appear to work shortly, including...
Tyre wear off
Mechanical damage off
Fuel use off
Creating a custom setup with minimum fuel in Free Practice (which did seem to recently affect standard TT)

You can get a reasonable idea of TT/event conditions by setting 1st March (2016?) @ 1100 in Free Practice.I set fuel to the minimum level for my test Goat and it made no difference whatsoever :)

[DavidCore89]

Yeah wel I have to disagree with you here. If this is a serious event, you just can't change this kind of things at the start of an event. As I stated before, I don't mind 'real' settings, but do not change it out of the blue at the first race.

As for tyre wear, yeah it is forced on here as well.

Granted, the correct assists should have been made clear before the series started, but it is what it is.

At least it puts all drivers at the same level before they hit the track.

I'm not really interested in driving cars with assists that they don't actually have, so I'm happy :)

[cluck]

I guess you are not willing to understand me. It doesnt matter what someone feels, it doesnt matter if I believe you - the only thing that matters is -> What you see is not what you get - and that is really sad...
And btw. I did some practice last weekend with another ESL Member (will not provide his name cause I dont know if he is feeling good with it) We were out for a race on Imola cause it was the given track for the ESL Go4 Challenge. Obeying the rules we created the race with force default setup. As the Ginetta is the fastest car in the GT4 class we both chooses it. The fastest Time I seen on Imola at that time was 1:48... done by some of the SDL Guys. But what I now saw was unbelievable stuff. My practise Partner was doing a 1:40.... with the Ginetta what is impossible. He said he couldn't explain what happened only that the car was running incredible fast. We setup a new Lobby with some GT3 Cars. Both running MCLaren 12C GT3. The same thing happenend his car was running up to 10 seconds per lap faster than the best time ever seen on the leaderboards. He did a Project Cars restart and the same "bug" occurs. Equal to what we tried he got a turbo car from another planet. He stated not to take part at the ESL cause anyone would name him cheater. I tried to persuade him to take part at the ESL so the others can all see that something is wrong with the game. But he was not willing to do so. Only after he started his PC completely new the "turbo"-function was gone... and for sure I expect that no one will believe that, i saved the replay of one of the sessions to proof it... I will upload it asap...

EDIT: OK here you go...this is the Video with the "TurboCar"-Bug
http://www.dragon-design.de/ProjectCarsEslPracticebug.mp4It's not a case of not being willing to understand you, I'm just pointing out that changing the car setup in free practice - for me - is not having any effect in the event. In addition to that, strange times are going to stick out like a sore thumb and suspicious speeds will also show up in the ghosts.

IIRC, most of the problems with 'turbo' cars are down to problems with the PC itself (I think it relates to the physics playing catch-up but I could be wrong - I usually am!). Unfortunately, without seeing the telemetry in the video there is no way of knowing if that is indeed what happened in your friend's video you linked. It is possible that he got hit with a setup glitch, whereby the wrong setup was loaded for the car - eg, it may have had very low wing, explaining the speed and poor handling. I'm not saying this is what happened by the way, just pointing out a possibility :).

I should add, this is all me commenting as somebody who is taking part in the event :).

[TX3 xRaCeR]

The regulation makes clear, the car must be default, why the pilot changes the setup ?
time must be done in default otherwise I fear that the ranking will be False.

[cluck]

The regulation makes clear, the car must be default, why the pilot changes the setup ?
time must be done in default otherwise I fear that the ranking will be False.It doesn't matter whatever setup you have on the car already, the event forces the default setup to become active. Only those people that have got a 100% default setup for the car, since their last profile creation, will show as 'D' in the 'setup' column on the leaderboard.

It is not really fair for SMS to ask all participants to wipe their profiles and not touch the car setup before taking part, which is the only way you can ensure you have a 'D' under setup in the leaderboard :).

[inthebagbud]

Can anybody on console confirm if FFB is being set as default - a couple of members in our team are suggesting it is ?

[graveltrap]

From my brief run this morning it felt like default FFB to me.

[Figuur84]

You can get a reasonable idea of TT/event conditions by setting 1st March (2016?) @ 1100 in Free Practice.

Hi Goat. i've tried this. These settings are indeed close to time trial. But in the events it is for sure different.

[inthebagbud]

From my brief run this morning it felt like default FFB to me.

:sorrow:

[Ch1ps N Queso]

So far, I've simply set a time without trying any exploits on PC, which is ~1min49.0secs (hardly setting the world on fire, not a car I have ever driven much and I use cockpit cam {not this external fakery being used by many of the top times}).

I will start looking at what exploits appear to work shortly, including...
Tyre wear off
Mechanical damage off
Fuel use off
Creating a custom setup with minimum fuel in Free Practice (which did seem to recently affect standard TT)

You can get a reasonable idea of TT/event conditions by setting 1st March (2016?) @ 1100 in Free Practice.

I don't consider any of these exploits. Any driver that puts effort into time trial generally turns off damage, fuel, tire wear, etc, so they can hot lap the bejesus out of the car in a controlled environment.

The fuel thing is bunk. I'm running 1 litre and 50 litres and the car is the same.

There is one thing that will get some panties ruffled around here but you've missed it. Hint: Edit your control assignments.

[DavidCore89]

Brake bias increase and decrease work on PS4 :(

[Ch1ps N Queso]

Brake bias increase and decrease work on PS4 :(

231925

[DavidCore89]

No idea how these things become overlooked.

[Ch1ps N Queso]

No idea how these things become overlooked.

Likely a limitation within the game. Dunno.

[cluck]

It's a fine line, I'll grant you that but the car does have adjustable brake bias whilst driving so I don't see the problem. Same goes for things like DRS or KERS, they can be adjusted on-the-fly, as per real-life, so I would put brake bias in the same category as those. It's up to SMS of course but now this round has started, it would be difficult to stop it and start again.

For what it's worth, I do adjust the brake bias myself, just as I gain control of the car, and did so during my practice runs in time trial leading up to the event starting (where the setup was otherwise 100% default) :).

[Ch1ps N Queso]

I don't have a problem with it. Pretty sure most guys thought about it before the event even started. Was merely trying to shine a light on it so the masses can take advantage and not feel like they've been left out.

[DavidCore89]

Perhaps that explains the custom setup showing in the leaderboards, but of course I'm no expert, I've never even played pCARS on PC :)

Maybe I'm being a bit naive, but I think this will disappoint some people, because the ability to change brake bias and ARB's on the fly isn't really a default setup, there's a high probability that no two cars will be the same.

An equal playing field was the only incentive for me to sign up, so you can imagine that my interest in the NCS has just dropped significantly :(

[Alan Dallas]

Perhaps that explains the custom setup showing in the leaderboards, but of course I'm no expert, I've never even played pCARS on PC :)

Maybe I'm being a bit naive, but I think this will disappoint some people, because the ability to change brake bias and ARB's on the fly isn't really a default setup, there's a high probability that no two cars will be the same.

An equal playing field was the only incentive for me to sign up, so you can imagine that my interest in the NCS has just dropped significantly :(

The external leader boards will show Custom Setup if you have at anytime created a custom setup for that car on your current profile. It doesn't take into account for Server Side forced defaults. It only reads the client side(yours) saved profile state.

[cluck]

Perhaps that explains the custom setup showing in the leaderboards, but of course I'm no expert, I've never even played pCARS on PC :)

Maybe I'm being a bit naive, but I think this will disappoint some people, because the ability to change brake bias and ARB's on the fly isn't really a default setup, there's a high probability that no two cars will be the same.

An equal playing field was the only incentive for me to sign up, so you can imagine that my interest in the NCS has just dropped significantly :(Nope, I didn't change the brake bias during that deliberately slow lap I ran to test whether changing the car setup caused 'C' to appear instead of 'D' :).

Are ARB's adjustable on the fly aswell then? I haven't tried that, I must admit. Regarding brake bias, my 1m45.9 time in time trial (not my quickest time by the way ;)) only involved moving it to the front by 1 notch :).

[N0body Of The Goat]

I don't consider any of these exploits. Any driver that puts effort into time trial generally turns off damage, fuel, tire wear, etc, so they can hot lap the bejesus out of the car in a controlled environment.

The fuel thing is bunk. I'm running 1 litre and 50 litres and the car is the same.

There is one thing that will get some panties ruffled around here but you've missed it. Hint: Edit your control assignments.

I disagree, they are very much exploits, because they are not something that can be done in the real world and pCARS does not default to wear/mech damage/fuel use being turned off.

Given how brakes are freezing cold for the first TT/event lap, anyone not turning tyre wear off is going to be disadvantaged after running several laps, when they are likely to set their best time.

True about brake balance and on-the-fly anti roll bar changes, so this championship really is not fully default fixed setups, it is simply a more restricted setup championship where the best times will most likely be set with the most arcade options that can be changed.

[Ch1ps N Queso]

Nope, I didn't change the brake bias during that deliberately slow lap I ran to test whether changing the car setup caused 'C' to appear instead of 'D' :).

Are ARB's adjustable on the fly aswell then? I haven't tried that, I must admit. Regarding brake bias, my 1m45.9 time in time trial (not my quickest time by the way ;)) only involved moving it to the front by 1 notch :).

No. Car doesn't have adjustable ARB's.

[DavidCore89]

I would expect the guys using game controllers to run out of buttons long before they map all of the required commands in order to be competitive, maybe that's a disadvantage right there.

[DavidCore89]

No. Car doesn't have adjustable ARB's.

Well, that's good to know.

Didn't test that after being surprised by the brake bias.

Thanks.

[Ch1ps N Queso]

I disagree, they are very much exploits, because they are not something that can be done in the real world and pCARS does not default to wear/mech damage/fuel use being turned off.

Given how brakes are freezing cold for the first TT/event lap, anyone not turning tyre wear off is going to be disadvantaged after running several laps, when they are likely to set their best time.

True about brake balance and on-the-fly anti roll bar changes, so this championship really is not fully default fixed setups, it is simply a more restricted setup championship where the best times will most likely be set with the most arcade options that can be changed.

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm sitting in my undies, drinking coffee, playing a video game, so it's hard for me to think about real world racing realities when changing game settings for a community event.

[Figuur84]

Well guys..... There are a lot of question right know, and different opinions. And pc/ps4/Xbox differentiated. And that is ok. I've got a lot respect for sms, Joseph, Andy, and the others who are really communicating and putting their passion in giving us a real good sim racing game, I love the game and the developers.l have been annoyed by the 'trolls' too. And there are issues with the game, but still this is a 'revolution' on sim-racing especially on consoles. And that is worth to say! Also the answers from Joseph, he is always here.

But now.... I almost feel like one 'troller' by posting this much questions and negativity. But (for the people who don't understand), we have been testing/practicing A LOT of hours. And now there are things not how they where promised. Complete setups and hours of trying we can throw in the garbage-bin. Me and my team know we are not the best in the game yet.... Close to it but not right there yet. We put a lot of effort in it, but when we cannot understand this without some sms info, like day/time and the assists or change of it.... Some of it was given and changed. We need this info to understand what we are missing. Now it stays a 'labirinth' for us. This game made Team RSP, and we are extremely willing to learn and dedicated. This also means we get frustrated now by this.

We know we cannot compete with the biggest teams right now, and that the conditions are the same for everyone. But it is also hard to learn this way for us. So I hope sms understands this. And the other guys. And if someone is willing to help us.... ;)

I don't ask or demand weird things, just clarity of how it was announced and how it is gonna be now. Time of day, date, and assist for future events in this competition. So we know whats coming and we can learn from it. So I'm not saying we would win everything then, but now it is just not ok. You can't change the assists like that, and please give us some Info about wheather/date settings. If you are not willing to, please even then, give us that info.....

Please just tell us what you have put in these events for settings/assists.....

Only that would help us a lot!

Greetings

[ibby]

Just wanting to make sure, this will not be allowed right ?

http://i.imgur.com/9dCJ0g7.jpg

I count 3 wheels off track.
Noticed it following a couple of top ghosts.


Btw when's SMS-R Team Ignition showing up ? ;)

[mangator]

Is that my ghost ? :)
Because if it is from there https://youtu.be/Z8GGY7PSjLs it looked okay and I validated it

[ibby]

Is that my ghost ? :)
Because if it is from there https://youtu.be/Z8GGY7PSjLs it looked okay and I validated it

It is but in my picture you're definitely not touching the white line with the rear right and in yours you're on it ? Odd.
Either a different lap or ingame ghosts don't show accurate.

[mangator]

Mmmh yes strange, I hope I won't get DSQ because the ghost isn't accurate :(

[inthebagbud]

I thought the whole of 2 tyres had to within the white line

[graveltrap]

I thought the whole of 2 tyres had to within the white line

Nope, it states in thenOP that the white lines are part of the track so the outer edge of the white line is the track limit, keeping two wheels on the line is perfectly acceptable :)

[TheDoctor46]

White lines count as part of the track.

I can confirm that (at least for me) Im only allowed to use ABS and TC. Can't turn either of them off nor SC on by setting 'Assists' to 'Yes' and binding keys for the assists. Dont have a problem w/ that, just want to acknowledge and hope the same applies to every participant on PC/XB1/PS4 :)

[inthebagbud]

Nope, it states in thenOP that the white lines are part of the track so the outer edge of the white line is the track limit, keeping two wheels on the line is perfectly acceptable :)

my mistake :D

[Krus Control]

I was looking on the SMS leaderboard and a lot of the times show as a custom setup. Will this cause a DQ? I was under the impression that default was forced. Can you get DQ if you mess with setup? I need to set up my FFB so it might come up as custom.

[Shinzah]

I was looking on the SMS leaderboard and a lot of the times show as a custom setup. Will this cause a DQ? I was under the impression that default was forced. Can you get DQ if you mess with setup? I need to set up my FFB so it might come up as custom.

It's a bug, the times are still consistent with the default setup.

I have no idea about FFB. I think you can set it up fine.

[Joseph Barron]

Hi guys. Answering some of the things that have popped up here.

Track cutting and ghosts

Don't worry about other drivers' ghosts please. We will review each driver's fastest ghost at the end of the event. It is not your job to police other players ghosts during the event. It is our job to check them at the end. Most drivers' ghosts will change between now and the end of the event anyway as the times improve.

As we've said several times before, you must have a minimum of TWO wheels on the circuit at all times. The white lines are part of the circuit, the kerbs and run-off are not.

You must have at least some part of two tires touching the track at all times, but not necessarily the entire surface of the tire. Having any part of two tires touching the track will keep your lap valid. How much risk you take with this is entirely up to you.

Setups and force feedback

Please do not worry about some players showing as having used a custom setup. This is likely to be a display bug in the menus. We are confident that everyone is using default setups correctly.

Your custom force feedback settings for each car should not be overwritten by the forced default setup.

Assists

As Andy Tudor has said, he is seeking clarification from our development team about the various assists questions you have asked. Andy will post an update about this once he has the necessary information.

Weather & time-of-day

My understanding is that the settings for this are similar to time trial, but I will double check.

The SMS staff teams

Myself and the other SMS staff drivers will likely post some times over the weekend.

Whether we can make it anywhere near the top... who knows!?

[inthebagbud]

Joseph

Just to confirm that on the xbox with a Fanatec wheel FFB is definitely car default and not custom

[Tomjakes]

@Joseph

Just seen that there are multiple people who are in the Logitech Championship and are also in (and registered for both) in the NVidia Championship. The rules say "Teams can compete in both Divisions, however drivers cannot. Drivers must remain in the Division of their choice and designated team for the entirety of a Split.", is this correct?

[PSFRacing Fab]

And in my eyes it's good that only REAL Assits are possible....
The Assist in pCars make you faster not slower..

Bonjour , est-il possible de supprimé mon chrono sur ps4 PSFRacing_Fab car je savait pas comment l'annulé et j'ai vue que au ralenti je n'avait pas les 4 roue sur la piste , dans l'attente d'une réponse de votre part . Merci .

[mangator]

Division is PS4/Xbox One and PC, don't mix it with Series which are the LGCS and the NCS ;)

[beetes_juice]

Divisions = PC vs console

You have to stay in your respective division in each championship. Team A-PC takes part in both Nvidia/Logitech in the pc division with drivers x, y, z. Team A-Console takes part in both Nvidia/Logitech in the console division with drivers a, b, c. They are both the same team but have different drivers for each division.

Think that makes sense, correct me if I'm wrong.

ninja'd by mangator

[GT-Club_Atho_]

Bonjour , est-il possible de supprimé mon chrono sur ps4 PSFRacing_Fab car je savait pas comment l'annulé et j'ai vue que au ralenti je n'avait pas les 4 roue sur la piste , dans l'attente d'une réponse de votre part . Merci .


Salut Fab ! Ils ne peuvent pas supprimer ton temps, c'est à toi de ne pas le valider en quittant le jeu.

Mais tu vas ameliorer je n'en doute pas :D

[cluck]

Bonjour , est-il possible de supprimé mon chrono sur ps4 PSFRacing_Fab car je savait pas comment l'annulé et j'ai vue que au ralenti je n'avait pas les 4 roue sur la piste , dans l'attente d'une réponse de votre part . Merci .



Hello , is it possible to deleted my time on ps4 PSFRacing_Fab because I knew how not canceled and I saw that slow I did not have the 4 wheel on the runway, waiting for a response your part . Thank you




Salut Fab ! Ils ne peuvent pas supprimer ton temps, c'est à toi de ne pas le valider en quittant le jeu.

Mais tu vas ameliorer je n'en doute pas :DPlease stick to English on the forum if you can. If you cannot post in English, please use a translator like Google Translate :). Thanks :).


Hi Fab! They can not delete your time, it's for you not to validate the leaving the game.

But you will improve I'm sure

[Joseph Barron]

@Joseph

Just seen that there are multiple people who are in the Logitech Championship and are also in (and registered for both) in the NVidia Championship. The rules say "Teams can compete in both Divisions, however drivers cannot. Drivers must remain in the Division of their choice and designated team for the entirety of a Split.", is this correct?

The Logitech G Championship Series and NVIDIA Challenger Series are SERIES.

Each SERIES is split into two DIVISIONS: one for Console and one for PC.

Therefore, drivers can compete in both the LGCS and NCS. However, they cannot compete in both the PC and Console Division within the same Series.

[GT-Club_Atho_]

Hi guys. Answering some of the things that have popped up here.

Track cutting and ghosts

Don't worry about other drivers' ghosts please. We will review each driver's fastest ghost at the end of the event. It is not your job to police other players ghosts during the event. It is our job to check them at the end. Most drivers' ghosts will change between now and the end of the event anyway as the times improve.

As we've said several times before, you must have a minimum of TWO wheels on the circuit at all times. The white lines are part of the circuit, the kerbs and run-off are not.

You must have at least some part of two tires touching the track at all times, but not necessarily the entire surface of the tire. Having any part of two tires touching the track will keep your lap valid. How much risk you take with this is entirely up to you.

Setups and force feedback

Please do not worry about some players showing as having used a custom setup. This is likely to be a display bug in the menus. We are confident that everyone is using default setups correctly.

Your custom force feedback settings for each car should not be overwritten by the forced default setup.

Assists

As Andy Tudor has said, he is seeking clarification from our development team about the various assists questions you have asked. Andy will post an update about this once he has the necessary information.

Weather & time-of-day

My understanding is that the settings for this are similar to time trial, but I will double check.

The SMS staff teams

Myself and the other SMS staff drivers will likely post some times over the weekend.

Whether we can make it anywhere near the top... who knows!?

I think it will be great if u can post pictures of what is valid and what is not.

Thank you.

[Shinzah]

Divisions = PC vs console

You have to stay in your respective division in each championship. Team A-PC takes part in both Nvidia/Logitech in the pc division with drivers x, y, z. Team A-Console takes part in both Nvidia/Logitech in the console division with drivers a, b, c. They are both the same team but have different drivers for each division.

Think that makes sense, correct me if I'm wrong.

ninja'd by mangator

That makes sense.

What bothers me is that there's no filtering of larger e-sports teams. Both SDL and Revolution effectively have a team of ten in a five man team competition. Even though it can be mitigated by saying each team half is a separate points entity, they're still taking two bullets in the barrel by spreading their best over two teams.

I don't really think it reflects well on the spirit of competition to game the system like that. I'm not angry, because it's not against the rules or anything. I'm just a bit bothered that they aren't bringing their five best drivers in one team, instead spreading talent over two to have better purchase in the ranking.

[Tomjakes]

The Logitech G Championship Series and NVIDIA Challenger Series are SERIES.

Each SERIES is split into two DIVISIONS: one for Console and one for PC.

Therefore, drivers can compete in both the LGCS and NCS. However, they cannot compete in both the PC and Console Division within the same Series.

Thanks very much, just wasn't very clear to me on the website.

[t0daY]

That makes sense.

What bothers me is that there's no filtering of larger e-sports teams. Both SDL and Revolution effectively have a team of ten in a five man team competition. Even though it can be mitigated by saying each team half is a separate points entity, they're still taking two bullets in the barrel by spreading their best over two teams.

I don't really think it reflects well on the spirit of competition to game the system like that. I'm not angry, because it's not against the rules or anything. I'm just a bit bothered that they aren't bringing their five best drivers in one team, instead spreading talent over two to have better purchase in the ranking.

How do you want to know that exactly? We are just running under the same name nothing more. 2x5 people came together and formed a team like others. Dont know whats ur problem though.

And btw we are driving just for fun and not for the competetion. Random concerns without any logic sorry.

[Ch1ps N Queso]

I think it will be great if u can post pictures of what is valid and what is not.

Thank you.

Two wheels need to be touching white or inside the white at all times. It's not that hard.

[mangator]

Is the part of the white line a bit blurred and dark considered to be also the white line ?

231941

[t0daY]

Is the part of the white line a bit blurred and dark considered to be also the white line ?


http://i.imgur.com/b5pWOmT.jpg

I would say thats offtrack tbh, right rear looks like not hitting the white line. Also front right is critical but I guess okay-ish.

[mangator]

I don't know, it's white and it's a line sooo... I hope it is :p

For me it's a part of the "clear" white line, I didn't play 8hrs today to see my lap not valid for that :D

[Ch1ps N Queso]

I don't know, it's white and it's a line sooo... I hope it is :p

For me it's a part of the "clear" white line, I didn't play 8hrs today to see my lap not valid for that :D

Looks like it's touching white to me but you might as well go ahead and pull an all nighter to put in something faster.

[Joseph Barron]

Is the part of the white line a bit blurred and dark considered to be also the white line ?

231941

We would consider this to be EXTREMELY borderline. My gut feeling is that the front right is OK but the rear right is VERY close to being off track. Probably just about OK though.

Atho, regarding your question, the image linked in the quoted text above is a good example of a car being VERY close to off track, but just about staying on. The rules are very clear now. You must have 2 wheels on the track at all times. As long as you have at least a tiny bit of TWO tires touching the white line, you are OK.

[mangator]

Ok thanks for the answer Joseph ! Anyway still 3 days to improve :)

[ibby]

8 hrs ?
Damn you guys got too much time on your hands. ;)
This combo is extremely addictive though.
Too bad you can only get the brakes to about 250° before the first lap so that's rarely the fastest one.

[Shinzah]

How do you want to know that exactly? We are just running under the same name nothing more. 2x5 people came together and formed a team like others. Dont know whats ur problem though.

Why are you being defensive? I think It's objectively unfair for large entities to split their drivers into groups to game the system. It's a clear advantage over smaller groups. That's just my opinion. It's not personal to you or anyone else in the league. So don't take it that way, please.



And btw we are driving just for fun and not for the competetion. Random concerns without any logic sorry.

Excuse me but, why are you entering a competition if you aren't competing? Sure it's supposed to be fun - why would you enter if it wasn't fun...? - but it's a competition.

[ReadingRich]

Stupid question time, why do some of the names on the Xbox leader board have no car, control or ghost? It's all just blank.

[t0daY]

Why are you being defensive? I think It's objectively unfair for large entities to split their drivers into groups to game the system. It's a clear advantage over smaller groups. That's just my opinion. It's not personal to you or anyone else in the league. So don't take it that way, please.

It is not unfair. We are for example 2 seperate teams with 2x5 seperate people. We are just under the same banner/team nothing more nothing less. Do not see any unfair advantage one of our team should have towards another team. But cry me a river mate.


Excuse me but, why are you entering a competition if you aren't competing? Sure it's supposed to be fun - why would you enter if it wasn't fun...? - but it's a competition.

We are driving pCars to have fun. That is for us the most important thing. It is a time trial, even if we dont deliver "competetive" times, what does it change for your team?!

I really do not know why it bothers you. Couple weeks ago you insulted me and my league with very offensive comments thats why I am taking it personally. Why not just leave us alone and make your own shit? You got already 1-time vacation from remco cause of your insulting way. Hot for another one or what?

[Bealdor]

Why are you being defensive? I think It's objectively unfair for large entities to split their drivers into groups to game the system. It's a clear advantage over smaller groups. That's just my opinion. It's not personal to you or anyone else in the league. So don't take it that way, please.



Excuse me but, why are you entering a competition if you aren't competing? Sure it's supposed to be fun - why would you enter if it wasn't fun...? - but it's a competition.


It is not unfair. We are for example 2 seperate teams with 2x5 seperate people. We are just under the same banner/team nothing more nothing less. Do not see any unfair advantage one of our team should have towards another team. But cry me a river mate.



We are driving pCars to have fun. That is for us the most important thing. It is a time trial, even if we dont deliver "competetive" times, what does it change for your team?!

I really do not know why it bothers you. Couple weeks ago you insulted me and my league with very offensive comments thats why I am taking it personally. Why not just leave us alone and make your own shit? You got already 1-time vacation from remco cause of your insulting way. Hot for another one or what?

Take your dispute to PM please, guys. That's not what this thread is for.

[beetes_juice]

Stupid question time, why do some of the names on the Xbox leader board have no car, control or ghost? It's all just blank.

privacy settings on their xbox. Hopefully they turn it off as their laps wont count.

[Shinzah]

It is not unfair. We are for example 2 seperate teams with 2x5 seperate people. We are just under the same banner/team nothing more nothing less. Do not see any unfair advantage one of our team should have towards another team. But cry me a river mate.

Being under the same banner is objectively unfair. There's no other serious e-sport competition that's going to allow this. You are not going to see E.G 2x Cloud 9 teams in an LoL tournament. It would be illegal.




We are driving pCars to have fun. That is for us the most important thing. It is a time trial, even if we dont deliver "competetive" times, what does it change for your team?!


This is a competition. I'm here to have fun too, but I'm also here to compete. Time trial, race, it's still a sponsored competition. There's a leaderboard for fun. There's your league races for fun.




I really do not know why it bothers you. Couple weeks ago you insulted me and my league with very offensive comments thats why I am taking it personally. Why not just leave us alone and make your own shit? You got already 1-time vacation from remco cause of your insulting way. Hot for another one or what?

You're taking this way too personally. I'm not saying it to insult you. I think SDL should be the ones taking far more offense to this. We've already talked via PM! I thought we were okay, and now you're upset over nothing because you think it's an attack on you personally or your league - It's not! I'm sorry I missed your request on steam, but when I got notified of you, you've already blocked me!

But I don't see what there is to talk about, really.





Take your dispute to PM please, guys. That's not what this thread is for.

The arguing isn't, but I think the point is valid.

[t0daY]

Take your dispute to PM please, guys. That's not what this thread is for.

We had a very hot talk. Maybe tomorrow some face cam :D :D Jokes besides, I think we are good here.

Sorry for the unnecessary comments

[Shinzah]

Well he is cuter than Cluck is...

231973

[Patrick Kulinski]

We would consider this to be EXTREMELY borderline. My gut feeling is that the front right is OK but the rear right is VERY close to being off track. Probably just about OK though.

Atho, regarding your question, the image linked in the quoted text above is a good example of a car being VERY close to off track, but just about staying on. The rules are very clear now. You must have 2 wheels on the track at all times. As long as you have at least a tiny bit of TWO tires touching the white line, you are OK.

Very borderline, yes. But The car position is fine though, if you ask me:


Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.:yes:

[ralphy0502]

Guys why is tire wear on for this event???

Mine is switched off but in the event i am still getting tire wear, i have to restart every 12-15 laps.

So everything else is disabled except brake bias and tire wear... dont make sense to me

[ReadingRich]

privacy settings on their xbox. Hopefully they turn it off as their laps wont count.

Thanks for that I did wonder if it was some sort of trickery or it was some strange merging of Xbox and PS times but it makes more sense now.

[Xlracing_Kazerty]

To all speak the same language, maybe we should use pictures of areas that may pose problems ...

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/541268LIMITTRACK.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=541268LIMITTRACK.jpg)

[TheDoctor46]

Great work mate, thanks :o

Talking 'bout track limits (and a good reference for the last picture above) ;)

232020

[Th3Pr0ph3cy]

NVIDIA Challenge @Monza One of my first tries... and i have the feeling it will be one of my last ones, cause the game makes me sick...

The 1 Million Bucks Question... the ghost of whom I am chasing? The game claims it is my ghost - but as one can see I am faster than my actual best time on this track - so logically I have to be in front and not the ghost with the slower time...:blue:
232034
I am very curious about the answers....

[R74NN]

How am I supposed to change certain FFB settings with the fixed setup? I need to significantly lower Fy scale for Bentley, otherwise it is unusable on my wheel.

[Siberian Tiger]

AFAIK the FFB Costumications are not affected of the Default Setup.... Just create your needed Setup for this Car and Track in Free Practice.
All Setup changes will be overriden except your Costum FFB Settings...

[R74NN]

I went to My Garage, created new setup, saved it to "All" group and started Community Challenge. My FFB settings were not carried over.

[Th3Pr0ph3cy]

I went to My Garage, created new setup, saved it to "All" group and started Community Challenge. My FFB settings were not carried over.

I guess there have to be an issue with your Computer, Life or something... but not a bug in Project Cars... (sorry for beeing sarcastic but I wonder if there is anything functioning correct in this game...which I doubt)

[R74NN]

Well, truth to be told, the game as an e-sport is just a joke. Pushing it for something it is not ready for. Classics here.

[ChoKpic76]

that's a joke on xbox live is dead and suddenly the times have gone and no longer registers congratulations to have mixed up ps4 and xbox because it is not at all equal

[Ch1ps N Queso]

NVIDIA Challenge @Monza One of my first tries... and i have the feeling it will be one of my last ones, cause the game makes me sick...

The 1 Million Bucks Question... the ghost of whom I am chasing? The game claims it is my ghost - but as one can see I am faster than my actual best time on this track - so logically I have to be in front and not the ghost with the slower time...:blue:
232034
I am very curious about the answers....

Oh god please turn that guiding line off.

[TheDoctor46]

Am no moderator, but please dont put this into another fighting thread...because you're one step away :rolleyes: If he's used to drive w/ driving line let him do so ;)

[Ch1ps N Queso]

Am no moderator, but please dont put this into another fighting thread...because you're one step away :rolleyes: If he's used to drive w/ driving line let him do so ;)

Thanks, dad. Just having some fun with the guy.

[TheDoctor46]

You're welcome ;)

[inthebagbud]

I went to My Garage, created new setup, saved it to "All" group and started Community Challenge. My FFB settings were not carried over.

FFB is default and cannot be changed, same on xbox :(

[Th3Pr0ph3cy]

Oh god please turn that guiding line off.

That is not your business...otherwise I'm gonna to ask you to buy an other GFX Card...Oh god... (who btw does not exist)

[Th3Pr0ph3cy]

Btw... actually Next race: @BlancpainGT (https://twitter.com/BlancpainGT) Monza Date: 24.04.16Race start: 3pm CET Continental GT3: #7, #8, #24, #31Live streaming: http://www.blancpain-gt-series.com/live (https://t.co/PoIgwjVbry)

The Qualifying results:
http://www.blancpain-gt-series.com/results?filter_season_id=6&filter_meeting_id=61&filter_race_id=435

Fastest Lap done with a Bentley GT3 is: 1:47.638 :cool:

[Photonenbert]

To all speak the same language, maybe we should use pictures of areas that may pose problems ...

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/541268LIMITTRACK.jpg (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=541268LIMITTRACK.jpg)

good stuff.

Id like to add that looking at the ghosts and seeing how inch-perfect (lets take centimeters) you have to look at the boundaries, the picture with the rear almost not touching the white line (I'd say its touching but at its possible closest) from a post before is the one reference that really matters concerning the limits --> white lines/kerbs. taking it super seriously you could say that the tire edge is round so only the if the contact patch is touching white it counts. but then again you would have to take weight load into account and if the tire is deforming and stuff. or look straight down from the top of the sidewall. at some point its going to be a resolution problem :p

Looking especially at "2°Variante N°4" (second chicane first turn (left). you actually can cut the big orange sausage kerb and still be in touch with the white lines. (not saying your picture is wrong, but you dont see the tires so its not a perfect example, but I also know what you want to say with your pictures so all good :p)

its mad but possible (necessary for hitting top 10). either 1 or 2 wheels inside the kerb. if its only 1 it might still be off track since the car is sideways and maybe only 1 tire hits the track.

[cmch15]

FFB is default and cannot be changed, same on xbox :(

Yes, shame this. I have been one of the patient ones through the continued development of Pcars and have enjoyed seeing it happen, but I'm quite frustrated by this as we were told it would carry your ffb settings. I've turned tyre force and ffb down to make it better but I'm getting a lot of undesirable feedback.

Also wondering what exploit is being used for such ludicrous drive the top times have off corners.

[Shinzah]

I changed my FFB just fine.....

[graveltrap]

Also wondering what exploit is being used for such ludicrous drive the top times have off corners.

Talent, the cheeky buggers! It's just not fair ;) :)

[inthebagbud]

Yes, shame this. I have been one of the patient ones through the continued development of Pcars and have enjoyed seeing it happen, but I'm quite frustrated by this as we were told it would carry your ffb settings. I've turned tyre force and ffb down to make it better but I'm getting a lot of undesirable feedback.


definite shame as a few of us brought this up when the series was announced




I changed my FFB just fine.....

it doesn't work on xbox changed in car masters to zero and 200 and no change in FFB at all

[cmch15]

I changed my FFB just fine.....

That's great news �� but it doesn't work on PS4 (or XB1).


Talent, the cheeky buggers! It's just not fair ;) :)

Yeah, that must be it as I couldn't find the grasstrack tyres. I had to check I had the right game in at one point, I thought I was playing Dirt Rally following some of them. :)

[Shinzah]

That's great news �� but it doesn't work on PS4 (or XB1).


¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[OctoberDusk06]

Joseph

Just to confirm that on the xbox with a Fanatec wheel FFB is definitely car default and not custom

inthebagbud:

Oh come now...it's a Bentley. Despite being 6'2" and 230lbs., I need 18 "five hour energy" shots and two injections of steroids to turn the wheel. Or, I could just use an exploit and turn the ffb and tire force to 50/50. Oh, and I could also exploit the million other "gameplay" or "master control" options that are not part of the setup right? For instance, these cars do have ABS, but a "magic line" does not appear on the Blancpain series unless they have a real real big paint can. The brake bias is standard on the Bentley, so Chips is right...no problem there. But what about all those professional drivers I saw with the TX wheel out there? DoR can be adjusted on that. So, you need about 100 degrees DoR in order to compensate for the 1000lb. extra weight that the FIA added to the wheel weight. Damn that FIA. I'll quit moaning and buy that new wheel I'm gonna need after my TX just sparked out in Lesmo #2. When does default not mean default? When it's Project Cars, I guess. Can we start a "share your exploits" page?

[cluck]

<snip>With lots of different wheels out there, it is impossible to have a truly "fixed setup" competition short of having people go to a venue and play with a fixed set of equipment.

At the end of the day, the guys at the top of the tables will just use whatever tool they have at their disposal to stay at the top. You can call them exploits if you like but every one of us has the ability to do that. What none of us can do is change the fundamental setup of the car and that's what the championship is about.

For what it's worth, I 'could' do a 1m45.6 lap if I nailed each sector together in one good lap (which still wouldn't make the top 10 on PC :o). The only 'exploits', if you want to call them that, are that I have damage disabled to prevent engine wear (the car tops out quite early on the S/F straights) and I adjust brake bias. Otherwise, I drive from the cockpit with an Oculus Rift on default FOV, something that could actually be classed as a disadvantage in hot-lapping (I guess the only reason my current best time is shown as 'External' view is because I ran a reply before crossing the finish line to ensure I didn't stray wide at any point).

[R74NN]

I guess, no one really wants FFB to be fixed. What a nonsense. Fixed setup competition is alright as long as everyone can change FFB settings for that car. And that's exactly what we can't do at the moment, so some people are automatically excluded from the competition, because their wheel is not usable with the defaults. I haven't seen single sim where fixed setup includes FFB. SMS innovative as always.

[cluck]

I guess, no one really wants FFB to be fixed. What a nonsense. Fixed setup competition is alright as long as everyone can change FFB settings for that car. And that's exactly what we can't do at the moment, so some people are automatically excluded from the competition, because their wheel is not usable with the defaults. I haven't seen single sim where fixed setup includes FFB. SMS innovative as always.I can't speak for XBOX but I was able to change the FFB settings in the car setup on my system and those changes reflected in the event. As it happens, all I was trying was the 'Classic' FFB setting but didn't get on with it :o (I don't like change :D)

[R74NN]

I can speak for PC, tried both My Garage and Practice session to change the car's FFB setup. No change was carried over.

[graveltrap]

In car FFB is locked down for me (PS4) adjustments to Master Scale, Fx, Fy, Fz and Mz are not registered, I can change global settings like tyre force and FFB level without problem.

I do think what we have been given is about as level a playing field as possible in project cars, which is actually a good thing! ;)

[R74NN]

I do think what we have been given is about as level a playing field as possible in project cars, which is actually a good thing! ;)

Except we haven't, since everyone is using different wheel and needs different setup.

[Gasman888]

With all this talk about the top guys using wheel exploits etc I thought I would add my thoughts on this, I'm currently inside the top 10 on ps4 and I've done nothing to my wheel for this event. I use a t500rs and from day 1 of pcars all I have changed in the setup is put force feedback to 70, and tyre force to 105, that's it, everything else is stock and I run the wheel at 1080degrees, I've also been lucky enough to race in the real world for a number of years and I think it feels great. The only feelings missing are what you feel through your body IRL and therefore can't be replicated. Personally I think people spend too much time messing with all these settings and get lost in confusion, people should spend more time practising and driving smoothly, these top guys are in teams like Unity etc because they are quick and unfortunately most of us aren't as quick as we think we are lol, just my 2 pennies worth.

[R74NN]

I don't care about others and who is and who is not at the top. I just wanted to have some leaderboard fun, but I can't. I'm basically using default FFB setup, with adjusted tyre force in calibration screen. But I have to adjust lateral forces (Fy scale) for each car, because otherwise I can't turn the wheel in tight or high speed corners. I can't use "master" slider to lower these forces, because then the wheel is too light around the center.

If SMS would do things properly, we wouldn't have to discuss this crap over and over again. Since release, everything they do is simply rushed out. They clearly don't want to spend much time on this anymore and the result are these crippled features and events.

"Supporting the game with new content and features for two years after release." has turned to "We won't add/improve anything because it could break some things or would need too much time." What a crap, muhahaa.

Maybe they should look what others are doing "after release", to have some perspective and realize what is and is not possible if there is a will.

[ibby]

Then use steering gain under calibrate force feedback ( i use 0.85 ) to flatten the FFB and adjust TF afterwards?
You don' need to adjust Fy for that.

Congrats to the top10. Those are some great times!

[R74NN]

Will try, thanks Ibby.

[Joseph Barron]

Regarding FFB: I was originally informed by the team that the Fixed Setups would not overwrite your custom FFB settings, however I have now had confirmation that this is not the case.

The Fixed Setup will overwrite your custom FFB for the car. However, you can still adjust overall FFB settings via "Help & Options."

Also, regarding track limits: a huge number of you are cutting the inside of the second chicane. All of these laps will be considered invalid. Therefore, if you improve your time today, please try not to cut this corner or any other.

[R74NN]

Regarding FFB: I was originally informed by the team that the Fixed Setups would not overwrite your custom FFB settings, however I have now had confirmation that this is not the case.

The Fixed Setup will overwrite your custom FFB for the car. However, you can still adjust overall FFB settings via "Help & Options."

Thanks for confirmation, Joe. Also I'm glad that for some it works regardless. lol

[TheDoctor46]

Thanks for the update Joe :)


Thanks for confirmation, Joe. Also I'm glad that for some it works regardless. lol

Mb those were referring to the general FFB settings instead of the FFB dedicated to the car :confused:

[R74NN]

Thanks for the update Joe :)



Mb those were referring to the general FFB settings instead of the FFB dedicated to the car :confused:

No. Those, I'm referring to, were not. They clearly stated, FFB in car setup. ;)

[inthebagbud]

just a minor point but at 23.15 UK time it is saying 1hr 45mins left which will be 1 am UK time but the event should finish at 23.59?

[Joseph Barron]

just a minor point but at 23.15 UK time it is saying 1hr 45mins left which will be 1 am UK time but the event should finish at 23.59?

The event will finish at 1am if you're in the UK. The server doesn't take British Summer Time into account.

[Alan Dallas]

I gave up on this one, couldn't get a clean lap less than 1:50 with default Bentley FFB. There's nothing about the rear of the car coming through the wheel.

[VR_Green]

Has anyone actually noticed that some/most of the ghost replays in the top 30 (on the ps4) are not actually ghost replays of their fastest lap time???

I just happen to load a top 10 time ghost - a time listed as 1.45.4xx - @ the start of my lap i am in the ghost, not cutting the second chicane I am still inside the ghost....exiting the second lesmo I am creeping ahead of the ghost....after the exiting of the last corner i am approx a car length in front. Now i have loaded a ghost car right from the top 30 listed TIMES.....if i beat the ghost I must have beaten that time....logic would say...also bare in mind i have no laptime info apart from the motec display on the wheel.....but as I cross the line my laptime delta on my steering wheel in the car tells me I have done a 1.46.6xx. If I hit the options button to pause - the ghost time info is telling me a 1.46.7xx

[inthebagbud]

The event will finish at 1am if you're in the UK. The server doesn't take British Summer Time into account.

I assumed that but the esports site does say

Rounds are live between 00:00 UK and 23:59 on the dates stated

which I read to be UK time

[inthebagbud]

Has anyone actually noticed that some/most of the ghost replays in the top 30 (on the ps4) are not actually ghost replays of their fastest lap time???

I just happen to load a top 10 time ghost - a time listed as 1.45.4xx - @ the start of my lap i am in the ghost, not cutting the second chicane I am still inside the ghost....exiting the second lesmo I am creeping ahead of the ghost....after the exiting of the last corner i am approx a car length in front. Now i have loaded a ghost car right from the top 30 listed TIMES.....if i beat the ghost I must have beaten that time....logic would say...also bare in mind i have no laptime info apart from the motec display on the wheel.....but as I cross the line my laptime delta on my steering wheel in the car tells me I have done a 1.46.6xx. If I hit the options button to pause - the ghost time info is telling me a 1.46.7xx

This has been noted by a few and SMS seem to think it is a delayed upload issue , but it happens in normal TT events as well and is frustrating when you think Oh yes I've done it only to realise no you haven't

Don't quote me but I started noticing this at the beginning of April so not sure if it was related to patch 10

[SDL Rotax]

Yes, we have noticed that too, especially on ps4. There is certainly a technique to show a slower ghost and uncut, while validating a cut lap, like that, impossible to verify!

I hope that steps will be taken ...

[Figuur84]

Yes, we have noticed that too, especially on ps4. There is certainly a technique to show a slower ghost and uncut, while validating a cut lap, like that, impossible to verify!

I hope that steps will be taken ...

If you say there is a 'technique', do you know it?

[SDL Rotax]

This has been noted by a few and SMS seem to think it is a delayed upload issue , but it happens in normal TT events as well and is frustrating when you think Oh yes I've done it only to realise no you haven't

Don't quote me but I started noticing this at the beginning of April so not sure if it was related to patch 10

It's not a delayed upload issue, you know why ? because these players make a time, say, 1.45.5 xx, cut, their ghost is 1.45.5xx, cut, later, they make a time in 1.45.2xx, cut, but the ghost is in 1.46.4xx but uncut, so that's another ghost ! not a downloading problem of the ghost..

Edit:
If you say there is a 'technique', do you know it?

No, I don't know it, but even if I knew a technique I would not. after, it may be a bug in the game, but it seems strange to me ..

[F1Masa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSTWf4CFdGI

[Figuur84]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSTWf4CFdGI

WoW man. How do you do it. You 'flick' the car so fast in the chicanes from left to right! Well done! Do you use a wheel?

And how come you still have 'grip' so much in last chicane?

[SDL Rotax]

Wow, what a lap Masa, well done ! :)

[F1Masa]

I use brake last corner that stuck my car in corner.

[F1Masa]

have to say i drive million laps because track limits is so close.

[F1Masa]

Wow, what a lap Masa, well done ! :)

thanks

[Kevin Leaune]

Congrats Masa !

Forza SDL Motorsport !

[F1Masa]

Congrats Masa !

Forza SDL Motorsport !

thanks :)

[Shinzah]

Congratulations SDL Masa! ^^;

I'm so proud of my team SBJS, RacingTopsy with an 11th hour drive for top 50! Strong first outing for us ^^;

[RacingTopsy]

Has anyone actually noticed that some/most of the ghost replays in the top 30 (on the ps4) are not actually ghost replays of their fastest lap time???

Same happens on PC, not sure how many are affected though, I needed to get a better lap done as my ghost was showing a 1:52.xxx instead of a 1:47.3xx.. No clue what's up with that!



Congratulations SDL Masa! ^^;

I'm so proud of my team SBJS, RacingTopsy with an 11th hour drive for top 50! Strong first outing for us ^^;

"Strong".. :p

[Shinzah]

"Strong".. :p

There's only 28 guys out of 863 separating us from scoring our first point! ^^;

[cluck]

Congrats to F1 Masa, that was an amazing lap to watch :applause:

The weird ghost bug rendered my time null and void, which is a shame as I double-checked the lap was clean before crossing the line (I paused the game with mere inches to go!) and watched the replay. Sadly, my time got saddled with an invalid 1m46.1 lap. C'est la vie, onwards and upwards to the next round. I shouldn't complain, I still made 28th place out of over 850 entries. For a first time entrant in one of these compos, I'm quite happy with that, even if I never did the 1m45.5 lap I was capable of (never managed to string all 3 sectors together) :o.

Well done to everybody who took part :yes:.

[AlexOki]

Congrats to you F1Masa you deserve it, and same as Cluck my first participation in such an event and ending 140th to me is a hell of an achievement. I thoroughly enjoyed the weekend with its ups and downs and frustrations that trying to get that clean lap to get myself up on the leaderboard. To everyone who took part take this to heart in that we as a community have really put the effort in to make this one another success story even with all the drama and issues we had. It has been a fun event and I have learned a huge amount on how to drive better than I ever have. Thanks to everone and well done to all.

[Giovtec]

Couldn't give another try before the end of the event, but it was a really challengeable combo, pretty sure i will try more in the next one.

[RSR] Community member NCS Round #1/ 68th place good but not my best ;)

[Yorkie065]

That was good fun that opening round! Although I was never too great at single lap hotlapping, and I got beaten by a chicken, I'm pleased with 29th ((?) providing I'm still there)!

Congrats to F1-Masa (it's almost second nature saying that now :p ), yet to see your lap but shall watch it later. Cheers for the tips and quite looking forward to the next one. Just wish the default tyre pressures were a little lower :p

[justme]

I think this competition is not fair at all to XB1 and PS4 users. I'm playing on PS4 and I'm not the fastest guy but I think I have chance to fight for TOP 20 positions. Yesterday I got chance to play on XB1 on my friends console and WOW, that Bentley was much more unstable on XB1 than PS4. I was about 0.4s behind my best time and I couldn't get even close to same sectors as PS4. Especially sector 2 was different. Then I got back to my home and started my PS4 and immediately I was hitting better sectors than on XB1.

All the time I had the feeling that on PS4 stability control is enabled and stability control icon was blinking in my HUD but I wasn't sure because it was so fast.

I recorded my driving for a while to be sure and then I noticed this:

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3Fznq57PJaz7NMA/giphy.gif

You can clearly see that stability control is blinking very randomly and it confirms my feeling that you can use all assists on PS4. Ok, it can be also graphical bug but I don't think it is. We have seen multiple reports from drivers that they are saying they can use all assists while others can't. What do you guys think? If I was on XB1 I would really think change to PS4 because there is no chance to be competitive on XB1. Would like to hear comments from top XB1 players and I hope that they can prove that I'm wrong with this. All I want is fair game to everyone.

I have been reading these forums during previous season and I saw a lot complaining about differences between platforms. Then SMS decided to divide PC and consoles to own divisions so they have found something between PC and consoles but they have not admit the differences so why we should believe that PS4 and XB1 is on the same line?

[Yorkie065]

I think this competition is not fair at all to XB1 and PS4 users. I'm playing on PS4 and I'm not the fastest guy but I think I have chance to fight for TOP 20 positions. Yesterday I got chance to play on XB1 on my friends console and WOW, that Bentley was much more unstable on XB1 than PS4. I was about 0.4s behind my best time and I couldn't get even close to same sectors as PS4. Especially sector 2 was different. Then I got back to my home and started my PS4 and immediately I was hitting better sectors than on XB1.

All the time I had the feeling that on PS4 stability control is enabled and stability control icon was blinking in my HUD but I wasn't sure because it was so fast.

I recorded my driving for a while to be sure and then I noticed this:

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3Fznq57PJaz7NMA/giphy.gif

You can clearly see that stability control is blinking very randomly and it confirms my feeling that you can use all assists on PS4. Ok, it can be also graphical bug but I don't think it is. We have seen multiple reports from drivers that they are saying they can use all assists while others can't. What do you guys think? If I was on XB1 I would really think change to PS4 because there is no chance to be competitive on XB1. Would like to hear comments from top XB1 players and I hope that they can prove that I'm wrong with this. All I want is fair game to everyone.

I have been reading these forums during previous season and I saw a lot complaining about differences between platforms. Then SMS decided to divide PC and consoles to own divisions so they have found something between PC and consoles but they have not admit the differences so why we should believe that PS4 and XB1 is on the same line?

It's an interesting one as I was doing a bit of testing with it over the weekend as to which was the fastest combination of assists, and I was finding that I was slower with SC and TC enabled. Despite me lighting up the rears out the first chicane with TC disabled every now and then, I was still translating more power to the track. It may have just been my line through the chicane on that particular time, but I felt like I was more consistently quicker as the TC just restricts the power too much.

It was the same with SC, it was restricting the car too much and instead of letting the car progressively slide through the corner just over it's slip angle where I could control it, the SC was fighting the slide and slowing the car down more. All this was equating to around 0.4-0.8 seconds per lap depending on how well I was able to hook up the lap itself. Could a difference in assists be a factor in your runs on the two platforms?

[georges]

There is a big difference between the PS4 and the XBOX ONE, have runs(drives) faster on PS4

[TheDoctor46]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSTWf4CFdGI
Wow,what a lap...wouldnt have thought to see a 1:44 time :o Question: how were you able to deactivate TC? Couldnt deactive the heck of it (not in setting assists option nor via mapping buttons) and it was pretty annoying at places.. :\

[justme]

It's an interesting one as I was doing a bit of testing with it over the weekend as to which was the fastest combination of assists, and I was finding that I was slower with SC and TC enabled. Despite me lighting up the rears out the first chicane with TC disabled every now and then, I was still translating more power to the track. It may have just been my line through the chicane on that particular time, but I felt like I was more consistently quicker as the TC just restricts the power too much.

It was the same with SC, it was restricting the car too much and instead of letting the car progressively slide through the corner just over it's slip angle where I could control it, the SC was fighting the slide and slowing the car down more. All this was equating to around 0.4-0.8 seconds per lap depending on how well I was able to hook up the lap itself. Could a difference in assists be a factor in your runs on the two platforms?

I agree with you that TC slows you down but disagree with SC. At least it helps me pretty much, maybe you are much more skilled player than I am. And notice that I was 0.4s slower on XB1 with only ABS than on PS4 with ABS and SC (fake SC or not). And are you saying that you could use what ever assists you want in that event? There is so many contradictory information about assists that I really don't know which one is right. On XB1 you can use only real assists, on PS4 you should can also use only real assists but it feels and shows SC even Bentley doesn't have that, on PC you could change any assists you want and someone can't disable TC etc etc.

Can SMS tell us what is going on or do they even care? There is big prizes but it seems that it is already decided who is allowed to win and who not. Somebody is allowed to cut and somebody isn't allowed to use assists. Seems fair to everyone especially if you are the one who can cut and use all the assists you want. :D

[cluck]

Wow,what a lap...wouldnt have thought to see a 1:44 time :o Question: how were you able to deactivate TC? Couldnt deactive the heck of it (not in setting assists option nor via mapping buttons) and it was pretty annoying at places.. :\You have to turn assists off in the main 'Gameplay' options Doc :). It was not possible to enable or disable any assists whilst driving.

[TheDoctor46]

Thats what i meant with "setting assists option" only activated ABS but I either had all real or no assists at all.. retrospective I should have driven w/o assists because ABS was useless anyway :indecisiveness:

[cluck]

Thats what i meant with "setting assists option" only activated ABS but I either had all real or no assists at all.. retrospective I should have driven w/o assists because ABS was useless anyway :indecisiveness:oh, sorry, missed that bit :D. No idea then. I had ABS and SC enabled but I couldn't tell you either were actually enabled as I drive from cockpit view with my Oculus Rift all the time :o.

[Max Attack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSTWf4CFdGI

Congratulations man!!! Great to see my fellow-countryman at the top :D Amazing work, thanks for posting the video!! Keep up the great work and best of luck for on coming events, hope to see you at the very top again :)

[Ramiboo]

You have to turn assists off in the main 'Gameplay' options Doc :). It was not possible to enable or disable any assists whilst driving.

You are kidding me! I just thought it wasn't possible to turn off the assets and that ABS and TC were locked on to make it fair! You had to go into game play, Set the assists to allowed and then force them off there before going into the event. This seriously needs to be made easier. Completely makes sense now as to why I was loosing too much time coming out of the first chicane. Ghosts were just leaving me by at least a second to the next chicane. :confused:

[theoriginalR6kid]

Am I the the only one to notice how late the top guys can brake? I'm having to brake just before 150 marker on the first straight and even then im just about able to haul the thing up for the chicane!?

[AbeWoz]

Am I the the only one to notice how late the top guys can brake? I'm having to brake just before 150 marker on the first straight and even then im just about able to haul the thing up for the chicane!?

well since there is no damage, you can downshift stupidly fast, like Masa does, 6th gear to 1st for the first chicane for example. Engine braking along with standard brakes.

[SDL Rotax]

Am I the the only one to notice how late the top guys can brake? I'm having to brake just before 150 marker on the first straight and even then im just about able to haul the thing up for the chicane!?

downshifting well what is possible to brake quite late, especially when the brakes are hot ;)

and don't forget that the game on pc has a newer update :)

[theoriginalR6kid]

well since there is no damage, you can downshift stupidly fast, like Masa does, 6th gear to 1st for the first chicane for example. Engine braking along with standard brakes.

Was trying that and the 150 board was my maximum,was the same all round the lap,having to brake at the bridge before ascari for example

[theoriginalR6kid]

downshifting well what is possible to brake quite late, especially when the brakes are hot ;)

and don't forget that the game on pc has a newer update :)

How do you mean downshifting well? Banging down the gears as fast as possible? Also I noticed the ps4 guys could brake late too,not seen a top Xbox lap yet so can't comment on that

[SDL Rotax]

How do you mean downshifting well? Banging down the gears as fast as possible? Also I noticed the ps4 guys could brake late too,not seen a top Xbox lap yet so can't comment on that

Yes, Downgrade as fast as possible, from 6 to 1, sincerely, I think we slightly earlier brakes on xbox, but I'm not sure :)

[bmanic]

Regarding FFB: I was originally informed by the team that the Fixed Setups would not overwrite your custom FFB settings, however I have now had confirmation that this is not the case.

The Fixed Setup will overwrite your custom FFB for the car. However, you can still adjust overall FFB settings via "Help & Options."

Also, regarding track limits: a huge number of you are cutting the inside of the second chicane. All of these laps will be considered invalid. Therefore, if you improve your time today, please try not to cut this corner or any other.

Aww crap.. this is exactly what I was afraid of what was going to happen.. and why I explicitly posted "please make sure this is indeed true". The effect Arm Angle and low Fy has is significant which means a person who has his/her own FFB setup for a car will be severely hindered by this.

[Shinzah]

Was trying that and the 150 board was my maximum,was the same all round the lap,having to brake at the bridge before ascari for example

I drive too traditionally, so I use markers for braking. I was using the same 150 board to brake. I'd also use the first longer shadow after the bridge at the second chicane, and the bridge at Ascari but wasn't as hard on the brakes there as well as hard into parabolica at the second to last marker.

I need to learn the videogame method of just going forever as long as I dare and then braking. But it's hard to unlearn habits :\

[Magictap]

Nice one Masa! Great short shifting and gear downshifts for the win ;O)

[VR_Green]

It's not a delayed upload issue, you know why ? because these players make a time, say, 1.45.5 xx, cut, their ghost is 1.45.5xx, cut, later, they make a time in 1.45.2xx, cut, but the ghost is in 1.46.4xx but uncut, so that's another ghost ! not a downloading problem of the ghost..

Edit:

No, I don't know it, but even if I knew a technique I would not. after, it may be a bug in the game, but it seems strange to me ..

the ghost i was using still cut the corner... i just reckon it could be some bug issue.....this pic was from that top 10 ghost i was using, but the ghost lap was doing a time that would be in 80th'ish position....

232152

i am judging that picture by what has been state in the ESPORTS regulations

so what ghost is being used to judge that time, and all the other ghosts with that issue in the top 30???

[Androphonomania]

Mh, seems the ghost observation mechanic has some more flaws in it than just the white line absurdity.

[theoriginalR6kid]

I drive too traditionally, so I use markers for braking. I was using the same 150 board to brake. I'd also use the first longer shadow after the bridge at the second chicane, and the bridge at Ascari but wasn't as hard on the brakes there as well as hard into parabolica at the second to last marker.

I need to learn the videogame method of just going forever as long as I dare and then braking. But it's hard to unlearn habits :\

I'd like to be able to take the moral high ground and say my lack of pace was down to me "keeping it real", but that would be a lie because I was down shifting like mad! (not sure I was shifting as hard as the top boy's, will have to check my lap and if I wasn't then I would have if i knew it would of resulted in a better lap time!) But I will say that I don't think that I could brake as late as the fastest pc and ps4 tt's, regardless of what I tried..in fact I know. I'm hoping to be able to see a lap from one of the top Xbox laps,so I can compare?

[Th3Pr0ph3cy]

Wow,what a lap...wouldnt have thought to see a 1:44 time :o Question: how were you able to deactivate TC? Couldnt deactive the heck of it (not in setting assists option nor via mapping buttons) and it was pretty annoying at places.. :\

I wonder also, cause I tried everything too, while playing..., before playing in menus and so on - no chance to deactivate TC. So this have to be an exploit than, or bug - and therefor I will make formal protest. There have to be the same chances for everybody - so it's up to SMS to keep the challenge fair.

[DavidCore89]

I was also able to deactivate TC on PS4, simply by having it turned off in global assists.

Mapping didn't work.

[cluck]

I don't know why others weren't able to, all I know is that I have always had my 'Allow Driver Aids' set to 'Yes' and not 'Real' or 'No'. With it set to Yes I turned off TC and ran ABS for my 1m45.9 time (that had to be excluded because the ghost didn't match - either the fault of Steam or my homeplug dropping the connection briefly without me realising - ie, I wasn't disconnected from the event).

However, my previous best time in time trial before the event (just under 1m45.9xx) was set with both ABS and traction control enabled, with a sector that was 0.35s off my best. So although the use of those aids might have prevented me from getting into the low 1m45 times, there was nothing preventing me from doing a mid-1m45 other than my own nerves, time and talent.

If you were putting in mid-1m45 times with those aids enabled then you 'might' have cause to complain. If not, then as harsh a reality as it is, I'm afraid the blame shouldn't be directed at the game.

That is my personal opinion as a fellow competitor. I am aware that I have to walk a more careful line, given my 'orange' status but that should bear no weight in what I have written above.

[RacingTopsy]

Same here, I simply turned ABS on and left the other aids off in the global settings.. Not sure why you should not be able to switch then off?!

What are your other aid settings set to? Did it switch TC off for timetrial for instance?

[TheDoctor46]

Well, so Corvette@Laguna Seca next, huh? Gotta be fun :cool:

[khaki777]

The standings are up!

http://www.projectcarsesports.com/2016-nvidia-challenger-series.html

Respect for Admins for checking all the ghosts, 100% correct, all times with a single cut, even a little one has been penalised. Me and my friend were also checking top20 ghosts, soo many people were cutting very hard. The rules are clear and they need to be respected! :)

[Joseph Barron]

Hi everyone. The official results for NCS Round 1 have now been published.
http://www.projectcarsesports.com/home/nvidia-challenger-series-round-1-results

Please see some notes from me about this event below.

Track limits:

A lot of drivers were penalised for cutting either the first or second chicane. Almost every team had at least one driver, sometimes several who did this. On PC, this led to us not having enough valid laps for a full top 20, which is why only 16 drivers scored points in the PC Division this time out.

Of all the drivers who went off track on their fastest lap, only 3 were considered to be marginal by SMS staff. All 3 of these drivers were contacted by SMS and they all provided sufficient evidence that their laps were clean. Therefore they are included in the results.

Ghosts not matching laps:

We believe that this was caused by the server updating a little more slowly than usual, because so many people were competing and improving their times all at once.

That said, all of the drivers included in our official results had ghosts which matched their lap-time correctly when checked by SMS staff. This was double & triple-checked on all platforms. Therefore these results will stand as published at the link above.

For Round 2:

Please take extra care with track limits, especially if you’re driving on PC. In general, Console drivers stuck to the track limits in Round 1 better than PC drivers did.

As requested by many of you, we intend to be strict with our enforcement of the track limits rules, so it is in your best interests to respect the white lines at every corner, on every track.

[Ch1ps N Queso]

There are 20 clean PC laps. My lap around 65th is most definitely clean. I don't expect my lap to earn points, I'm sure there are others ahead of me that are also clean, just a little irked that points aren't being handed out to guys that drove within the regulations.

[Joseph Barron]

There are 20 clean PC laps. My lap around 65th is most definitely clean. I don't expect my lap to earn points, I'm sure there are others ahead of me that are also clean, just a little irked that points aren't being handed out to guys that drove within the regulations.

We can only consider times for which we are able to review the ghost. Ghosts are only stored for the top 30 positions on any Project CARS leaderboard (on PC & PS4 - more ghosts can be stored on XB1). Therefore if you weren't in the top 30 at some point, it was not possible for your ghost to be reviewed by our staff.

Under normal circumstances, it's easy for us to get a full, valid top 20 from the 30 stored ghosts. However, because there was so much cutting in NCS Round 1, the PC results are somewhat unusual. We don't expect this to be the norm throughout the season.

[Kevin Leaune]

I know tell when things are not clear ! But I know also tell when the SMS staff did a good job ! And that was the case for Round 1 of the NCS !

Congrats for your work done !

[SDL Rotax]

I know tell when things are not clear ! But I know also tell when the SMS staff did a good job ! And that was the case for Round 1 of the NCS !

Congrats for your work done !

The same, I know criticize when I did not agree with the SMS team, but also praise them when the job is done.

thank you and well done SMS !

[Ch1ps N Queso]

Well the Top 30 ghost reasoning seems a bit odd. I was top 30 for two days, as I'm sure others between 45 (chuggy's position on LB, the final points scorer) and 65 (my position) were. Just didn't have time to get back out and shave off a few tenths. Oh well. Thanks for your efforts.

[TheDoctor46]

We can only consider times for which we are able to review the ghost. Ghosts are only stored for the top 30 positions on any Project CARS leaderboard. Therefore if you weren't in the top 30 at some point, it was not possible for your ghost to be reviewed by our staff.
Ugh, I was speculating for lots of cutting in the first places :D ...blimey only first 30 ghosts can be stored.

[beetes_juice]

Ugh, I was speculating for lots of cutting in the first places :D ...blimey only first 30 ghosts can be stored.

Chuggy scored points (p16) but was #45 on the final LB. http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard/event?event=86

If the top 30 were the only ones to have ghosts.....45 > 30....How was his ghost reviewed? :confused:

[Joseph Barron]

Chuggy scored points (p16) but was #45 on the final LB. If the top 30 were the only ones to have ghosts.....45 > 30....How was his ghost reviewed? :confused:

It was viewed earlier in the event while he was in the top 30, and then viewed again via the time trial leaderboard at the close of the event.

As Chuggy hadn't set a lap in time trial in a GT3 car at Monza before, his time trial ghost was a match in both time and ghost for his NCS entry.

[GT-Club_Atho_]

Lot of guys are not on the leaderboard because the game don't save the good ghost. It's not their fault but they are penalize !

Not fair...

[inthebagbud]

We can only consider times for which we are able to review the ghost. Ghosts are only stored for the top 30 positions on any Project CARS leaderboard. Therefore if you weren't in the top 30 at some point, it was not possible for your ghost to be reviewed by our staff.


I don't understand that as I was following ghosts only a few spots in front of me and i was around 150 and they definitely had ghosts on the xbox

[inthebagbud]

It was viewed earlier in the event while he was in the top 30, and then viewed again via the time trial leaderboard at the close of the event.

As Chuggy hadn't set a lap in time trial in a GT3 car at Monza before, his time trial ghost was a match in both time and ghost for his NCS entry.

That on the face of it appears unfair to other racers who are penalised because they did not have a ghost on a TT board , no offense to Chuggy but that is introducing a rule after the event

[Yorkie065]

I don't understand that as I was following ghosts only a few spots in front of me and i was around 150 and they definitely had ghosts on the xbox

I imagine the way it works is that it keeps everyones ghosts whilst the event itself is live, so people can use their own ghosts if they so desire. But once the event finishes, the top 30 only then get locked in and saved so when SMS come to review, that is all that they can access.

[cluck]

Lot of guys are not on the leaderboard because the game don't save the good ghost. It's not their fault but they are penalize !

Not fair...As somebody who would have finished 13th in the PC division (after actually finishing 28th), I share some of your frustration. BUT, unless we can prove otherwise (by our own videos that clearly show no cutting), SMS have no way of verifying that the time is valid and you cannot blame them for excluding those results. Whether the fault is the user's network, the internet, Steam, Playstation Network or whatever, if the ghost isn't valid then that is all that matters.

I will take to recording my ghost in future, paying particular attention to areas where it might be close. Because I use an Oculus Rift, I will be setting up a camera on a tripod to do the recording :).

[Joseph Barron]

I don't understand that as I was following ghosts only a few spots in front of me and i was around 150 and they definitely had ghosts on the xbox

The Xbox servers can store more ghosts than the PC & PS4 servers, which are limited to 30.

The case discussed earlier in the thread was on PC.

[graveltrap]

That's a pretty crazy number of people to be excluded!

It doesn't affect me (too slow), but a question regarding the combined console results, the slowest PS4 time is in 16th place with a 1:45.772 (30th in game) I can see the person in 31st place ran a 1:45.773 Have players potentially lost out on scoring points because of the 30 ghost limit and others benefitted because of it?

Is there a combined result that includes lap times anywhere to view?

[_MB_]

Good to see this round taken seriously,good job

@Joseph
If you don't have a ghost but us the players have video proof of our own time including replay could that be used?
I ask because i have a time which potentially could be quicker than the last couple of spots depending on xbox times..

[cluck]

That's a pretty crazy number of people to be excluded!

It doesn't affect me (too slow), but a question regarding the combined console results, the slowest PS4 time is in 16th place with a 1:45.772 (30th in game) I can see the person in 31st place ran a 1:45.773 Have players potentially lost out on scoring points because of the 30 ghost limit and others benefitted because of it?

Is there a combined result that includes lap times anywhere to view?If people have missed out you have to lay the blame at the door of those who cut the corners/chicanes. On the PC division, for example, 15 of the top 29 finishing positions were excluded. OK, so a couple of those look like ghost mismatches (of which I was 1) but some were blatant "4 wheels off the track". There is no way you can go that far off the track and not realise so it is on the driver to abort the lap or risk being excluded. It looks like some thought they could get away with it.

Hopefully round 2 will be a lot cleaner and mean a lot less work for SMS to judge and a lot less discussion post-event :)

[graveltrap]

True enough cluck, but the problem also stems from using different rules to the in game track limit detection, all of he laps are valid as far as the game is concerned thus they get a spot on the leaderboard and a ghost, even if it isn't accurate!

[Mezzanine]

Hello Mr Barron

hope you do fine, it was a tight challenge, very close. This might have lead some driving "oh I wish that would have been clean" laps ;) Did you have a try also?
It must be a lot of work for you to check all those ghosts to make sure everyone is on track. I'm sure everyone arround here appreciates that!
Fairness leads to a good challenge for all.

I hope the the slower updating of ghosts than usual is really the cause of the mismatching ghosts.
IIRC when I saw this happen some time ago on a 'normal' leaderboard, it was a time/ghost of someone in RSR in preparation of an upcoming race and that time was set a day before I raced it.

In my opinion it would be better and fair to just exclude the dirty laps in P20 and let P21... have that place.
Please think about that again, it may lead to some people just set dirty Top20 laps 'throwing out' others so they gain no points for their teams maybe.

Can you please give some information on your conclusions regarding assists?
There's a hell of confusion arround that.

brgds

PS.: You wrote that only the top 30 ghosts were saved on any leaderboard, but when I see any leaderboard on steam/pc there are ghosts for everyone. Ok not everyone, sometimes it happens a ghost is not uploaded. So there should be enough ghosts for everyone, am I wrong?

[Joseph Barron]

Yes I had a try myself, but I think I was something like 400th place or maybe even lower. You lot are too quick for me!

Regarding assists, I will include something in my driver briefing post for Round 2.

[SpeedFreakDTM]

My friends an I were under the impression that assists would be allowed. In order to give everyone a chance. Where was SC ?

That bentley has the worst default setup I've come across, and without being an alien or someone who is pretty good at this game, no stability control meant no fun, and no point even trying.

Thanks SMS, My friends and I will look forward to not trying in the others too.

If your going to force default setups, can you at least make sure they work in the first place. I can get 1.45's with the bentley tuned but the best I could get in practise with a default setup was a 1.50 - hence the not trying in the actual event.

If you look at a kerb, the car spins, if you try and accelerate hard exiting a corner, the car spins. Soooo much fun. Not.

[cluck]

True enough cluck, but the problem also stems from using different rules to the in game track limit detection, all of he laps are valid as far as the game is concerned this they get a spot on the leaderboard and a ghost...But the rules were quite clear that if you think you were close to the limits, abort the lap or check it before crossing the line. The moment you cross the line, that's your lap, even if the game says it is valid. You only have yourself to blame if you then get excluded - the general 'you', not you specifically :)

At the end of the day, the onus is on US, not SMS, to prove that our times are 100% valid.

If in doubt, abort and try again.

[graveltrap]

But the rules were quite clear that if you think you were close to the limits, abort the lap or check it before crossing the line. The moment you cross the line, that's your lap, even if the game says it is valid. You only have yourself to blame if you then get excluded - the general 'you', not you specifically :)

At the end of the day, the onus is on US, not SMS, to prove that our times are 100% valid.

If in doubt, abort and try again.



Again true enough, but it is possible to go into the game and run some laps, not everyone frequents this forum or even looks at the terms and conditions for the event...

[cluck]

Again true enough, but it is possible to go into the game and run some laps, not everyone frequents this forum or even looks at the terms and conditions for the event...If you enter an event without checking the rules then you only have yourself to blame ;). As a fellow competitor, I have no sympathy for people in the top 20 or 30 cutting chicanes with all 4 wheels and thinking they were OK "because they didn't check the rules", none whatsoever.

I'm not having a go at you by the way, far from it, just pointing out that there is simply no excuse for the way some people drove :).

[Photonenbert]

True enough cluck, but the problem also stems from using different rules to the in game track limit detection, all of he laps are valid as far as the game is concerned thus they get a spot on the leaderboard and a ghost, even if it isn't accurate!


that is only "ok" (and I dont really think its okay but you cant always see your line depending on your camera. but having that in mind it should only be a marginal off track situation and not 4 wheels of) for people that arent able to watch their replay, I only remember reading that console guys cant watch replays? dont know if that is correct though as Im on pc.

other than that its definitely the drivers responsibility to

1: know the ruleset

and

2: actually have the common sense to get that cutting corners like mad is probably forbidden as the game doesnt offer special rulesets for series/classes or tracks and as you say, doesnt do the best job of letting you know of your track limitations.

therefore you have to make the logical assumption that "2 wheels inside/on the white lines" is probably the way to go for and that it is in fact your own job to try to keep it that way.
and if you cant watch your replay no matter why you could always test drive in Solo and see what your how your car behaves and learn the limits.

It would be great if the game would do all that by itself but sadly it doesnt.

EDIT: dang ninja'd by cluck.


If in doubt, abort and try again. well said.

EDIT2: Not that Im happy about the fact that soo many people went off track but I gained a looot of positions :D:p

[Gasman888]

It is possible to check your lap on ps4. All I did was drive the lap and as you enter the final straight, push the start button and "view replay". You can change views,go slo mo, pause and go photo mode, so you can check every angle with zoom or rotation so there is no excuse. If the lap is good, carry on and finish the lap, if it's not good, just brake and don't set the time.

[ibby]

From 32 to 14. Hells yeah! :)

Monza was always going to be one of those tracks where cuts would be a problem with so much time you can gain by even small cuts.
I expect the next rounds to be less critical.

What was the best console time btw ?
(Ah found it in the news article: 1:45.217 )

EDIT:

Small website """bug"""
http://www.projectcarsesports.com/2016-nvidia-challenger-series.html
If you click standings it shows the console standings even though PC is highlighted.
Only after clicking PC Division again does it show those. ;)

[icebear]

hello

sorry if i ask for something obvious but is there a way to check the challenge result outside of the game ? Not only the 20 winners but my result, around 250 hehehe :D
i know Pcars leaderboards but it gives only global results i think, not challenge players only

[ibby]

hello

sorry if i ask for something obvious but is there a way to check the challenge result outside of the game ? Not only the 20 winners but my result, around 250 hehehe :D
i know Pcars leaderboards but it gives only global results i think, not challenge players only

http://cars-stats-steam.wmdportal.com/index.php/leaderboard/event

[Photonenbert]

hello

sorry if i ask for something obvious but is there a way to check the challenge result outside of the game ? Not only the 20 winners but my result, around 250 hehehe :D
i know Pcars leaderboards but it gives only global results i think, not challenge players only

ninja'D again :D

[graveltrap]

I didn't mean to come across as making excuses the rules is the rules after all, just pointing out it is possible to enter the event without even knowing that it had special rules was possible no mention is made in game ;) This of course doesn't apply to the teams who had to sign up to take part so should be fully aware of the situation.

What I struggle with is that a lot of work was put in to make the track limits much, much tighter and what is acceptable for a TT record isn't acceptable here. It just makes sense to me to use what's in game and see live leaderboards than having to eliminate people after the fact. It so much easier to police! Yes it does bring the possibility of four wheels off but at least I know exactly where I and everyone else stand.

I hope something has been learned for the future :)

[cluck]

I didn't mean to come across as making excuses the rules is the rules after all, just pointing out it is possible to enter the event without even knowing that it had special rules was possible no mention is made in game ;) This of course doesn't apply to the teams who had to sign up to take part so should be fully aware of the situation.

What I struggle with is that a lot of work was put in to make the track limits much, much tighter and what is acceptable for a TT record isn't acceptable here. It just makes sense to me to use what's in game and see live leaderboards than having to eliminate people after the fact. It so much easier to police! Yes it does bring the possibility of four wheels off but at least I know exactly where I and everyone else stand.

I hope something has been learned for the future :)I guessed that was the point you were raising. However, the people at the top will invariably be people who know what the championship is about - I doubt anybody that fast just rocked up out of the blue and set a blistering pace. However, if there is space on the event page and it isn't there already (will check myself later) then it might be a good idea, yes, to put a link to the rules and regulations for the event :).

EDIT : Just checked. There is a link on the event line after the 'fixed event series' wording. Maybe that can be changed to "see full rules at ...."?

[beetes_juice]

My friends an I were under the impression that assists would be allowed. In order to give everyone a chance. Where was SC ?

That bentley has the worst default setup I've come across, and without being an alien or someone who is pretty good at this game, no stability control meant no fun, and no point even trying.

Thanks SMS, My friends and I will look forward to not trying in the others too.

If your going to force default setups, can you at least make sure they work in the first place. I can get 1.45's with the bentley tuned but the best I could get in practise with a default setup was a 1.50 - hence the not trying in the actual event.

If you look at a kerb, the car spins, if you try and accelerate hard exiting a corner, the car spins. Soooo much fun. Not.

Assists are changed in menus if I'm not mistaken. Few guys on the board with SC enabled.

To the bold: :confused:??? But your running in the default setup championship. Think the tune works as 1.45's were reached.

[cmch15]

How about video uploads of of actual gameplay? There can be no questioning then. No edits, just set your lap, pause, which shows the lap set, play the replay in chase cam so camera can be rotated to prove you're within limits. If you don't show it to be clearly in limits, is your problem.

The other thing is stop the Rallycrossing before a corner. There is no need to go off track before corner entry. In the mid corner and exit, two wheels should be properly in contact with the track. Just touching the inside of the white line is too fine a line with unreliable ghosts.

Edit: Before it gets said, I guess time consumption would be an argument against videos, but it would be a reliable source.

[RacingTopsy]

EDIT: I have now found and read your explanations in this thread Joseph, but I don't quite understand the top 30 issue we're having? I can and could view all event ghosts just fine. (now not under the "event" section ingame, but the Timetrial section)


Excuse me asking. Is there a specific reason as to why not all 20 point spots have been filled? :o

I'm asking because seeing that Chuggy is 44th on the leaderboards page and I'm 48th, which, if 45,46 and 47 also are valid, would score a point...

Edit: All of the event ghosts are still available to view in TimeTrial.

[DavidCore89]

Is there an accurate number of top 30 drivers who were disqualified from round 1 within the console division?

Also, I can't seem to find the results of each round, I can only find the current standings. I know we've only had 1 round (perhaps that is the reason), but it'd be cool to see the results from each round as the series progresses as opposed to just the current standings.

I enjoyed reading the write-up of round 1, but I think it'd be great if each point scorer received a little mention... Just my thoughts.

[satco1066]

Excuse me asking. Is there a specific reason as to why not all 20 point spots have been filled? :o

I'm asking because seeing that Chuggy is 44th on the leaderboards page and I'm 48th, which, if 45,46 and 47 also are valid, would score a point...

Edit: All of the event ghosts are still available to view in TimeTrial.

Ninja'd.

I can also follow my ghost, and i'm on position 300+
Cluck or Josef wrote, that somewhere in the forum it was announced, that there will be stored only 30 ghosts.
Wrong, guys. For that events only rules and limitations written on the rules page are relevant!
As you wrote page wise about the white line rules.
Ninja'd again.

And the upload of wrong ghosts is a bug, that hopefully will be fixed soon, not SMSoon.

If i work with any software and i click save, it will save the current version and not anything that's 10 minutes old.
If there is a problem while writing, i get an error message and a retry requester.
PCars does that automatically, and nobody knows what happens. Full upload, wrong upload or nirvana. That's annoying.

If they don't get their uploads, then it's their fault, not ours. This problem is known since months.
So it's not on us, to create videos from every stint in many possible views.
As long SMS cannot provide a stable infrastructure, they should not start (semi)professional events.

[Joseph Barron]

EDIT: I have now found and read your explanations in this thread Joseph, but I don't quite understand the top 30 issue we're having? I can and could view all event ghosts just fine. (now not under the "event" section ingame, but the Timetrial section)


Excuse me asking. Is there a specific reason as to why not all 20 point spots have been filled? :o

I'm asking because seeing that Chuggy is 44th on the leaderboards page and I'm 48th, which, if 45,46 and 47 also are valid, would score a point...

Edit: All of the event ghosts are still available to view in TimeTrial.

I'll send you a PM to give you some more details.

[Joseph Barron]

Is there an accurate number of top 30 drivers who were disqualified from round 1 within the console division?

Also, I can't seem to find the results of each round, I can only find the current standings. I know we've only had 1 round (perhaps that is the reason), but it'd be cool to see the results from each round as the series progresses as opposed to just the current standings.

I enjoyed reading the write-up of round 1, but I think it'd be great if each point scorer received a little mention... Just my thoughts.

We don't tend to publish lists of drivers who have been eliminated from an event, and it's not something we intend to introduce in the short-term, but it could be introduced at a later stage.

I expect that we will have a page on the website shortly after Round 2, which will list the results of each individual Round. The same for the LGCS too. We did this last year for the Driver Network Championship, so I expect it will happen this season as well.

[SpeedFreakDTM]

Assists are changed in menus if I'm not mistaken. Few guys on the board with SC enabled.

To the bold: :confused:??? But your running in the default setup championship. Think the tune works as 1.45's were reached.

No, my assists are always on in the menu. When I entered the event, I could not turn any of them on or off, despite TC ABS and SC being on in the menu.

1.45's were only reached by the best drivers, so I don't think the tune works. Its just the best were able to cope with it better than the less talented drivers like me. If there is a 5 second laptime difference between default and tuned, I'd say there is an issue. Its the rear axle, its just not right, its the same for the caddy but not as bad. But for the crappy drivers like me, who just want to have a bit of fun its a nightmare. Maybe it works with a steering wheel, but with a pad it feels terrible.

[Figuur84]

Joseph, could you please answer these questions now?

1. Will both NCS and LGCS be driven now with assists on 'Real' as the've been on these at the first opening rounds?
2. What is the Date and Time of Day that is used for these events?

And I will tell you another thing we've noticed. We have been testing and practicing a lot for both LGCS and NCS.

I will now only go into NCS, but we feel like it is appropiate to both. We drove some good times in practice and Time Trial. In the events we where close, but not there yet. One of our faster guys, put a lot of Time in the NCS event. First of all we noticed that our faster guys are slower, and our slower guys sometimes faster in these events... But this faster guy, drove All weekend, well more then 20 hours (and practiced at least the same amount). He drove a 36 high, he and we where frustrated. In Time trial on tuesday (after the event) hè drove a 35.3 in Time trial after just 4 Laps! You can check this in the TT leaderboards.

You must understand we are amazed by this! Can you explain? What is going on? Is TT so much faster after all? What is the weather setting?

It would be Nice to hear something from you guys. Maybe it is just us, but I have to admit we've got the feeling something is not 'right' after these experiences. Please give us your feedback?! Would appreciate it.

[AlexOki]

Hello all, there has been a lot of fuss about track limits and cutting the track. It was in the end clarified in a previous post with pictures as to the limits at Monza. The other issues were ghost replays as well as driving assists. In regards to cutting the track limits specified, well as far as I am concerned then if you did cut the track maybe just maybe the rule of cutting the track should be changed in such a way that there is no way of cutting the track, i.e. having 2 wheels always on the tarmac and not on the white line, and by that I mean your tyres have to be no more than 50% on the white line. But then again I am just a fellow who enjoys sim racing and rules are rules and I will always adhere to the rules set out by the admins. If I broke the rules according to those set rules then I just accept the RULING. Whether I have proof contadicting the RULING, I am not going to kick up a fuss about it and that is just me. Regarding the issues with ghost replays I have nothing to say and accept that the game server connection or whatever caused the problem as just bad luck, look at how many times any of us have been robbed of a podium finish in an online race due to someone lagging and causing us to crash, we all feel upset about the incident but we get on with it. It is the same with the NCS competition in many respects and we either accept it or make a fuss about it. Either way it is your perogative to do whatever you feel. As to the driving assists issues maybe just maybe again here we can have a clearer picture. I think this maybe due to us having different settings in the UI (real, none etc). Just more of a question rather than a specific issue but would it rather be better for the admins to ask that everone have their setting on a specific before taking part in the competition, like everone has to have their settings on REAL, NONE or whatever they decide. Maybe this is the problem here for all I know I am hopelessly wrong just a thought. I can see people who use assists getting mad here as not everyone is able to drive certain cars without them. It is not my intention to get anyone mad just thoughts popping into my head that may or may not help all of us to curb our fussing.

[N0body Of The Goat]

So Ibby, Photonenbert and Chuggy all got points despite finishing up to 44th place before penalties because they posted a time early enough in the event to be in the top 30.

I think it's great that they got promoted into scoring promotions ahead of those that broke the rules, but only having data for drivers that place in the top 30 at some point has been shown in this event to not be enough and has demonstrated the weakness of having competition cutting rules stricter than the in-game detection works with currently.

Why not wipe all Time Trial records for the specific upcoming car/track event ahead of the event and then all Time Trial ghosts will be from the competition? Then all championship point scoring positions should be filled, because all ghosts will be relevant to the competition round.

[Ch1ps N Queso]

Hello all, there has been a lot of fuss about track limits and cutting the track. It was in the end clarified in a previous post with pictures as to the limits at Monza. The other issues were ghost replays as well as driving assists. In regards to cutting the track limits specified, well as far as I am concerned then if you did cut the track maybe just maybe the rule of cutting the track should be changed in such a way that there is no way of cutting the track, i.e. having 2 wheels always on the tarmac and not on the white line, and by that I mean your tyres have to be no more than 50% on the white line. But then again I am just a fellow who enjoys sim racing and rules are rules and I will always adhere to the rules set out by the admins. If I broke the rules according to those set rules then I just accept the RULING. Whether I have proof contadicting the RULING, I am not going to kick up a fuss about it and that is just me. Regarding the issues with ghost replays I have nothing to say and accept that the game server connection or whatever caused the problem as just bad luck, look at how many times any of us have been robbed of a podium finish in an online race due to someone lagging and causing us to crash, we all feel upset about the incident but we get on with it. It is the same with the NCS competition in many respects and we either accept it or make a fuss about it. Either way it is your perogative to do whatever you feel. As to the driving assists issues maybe just maybe again here we can have a clearer picture. I think this maybe due to us having different settings in the UI (real, none etc). Just more of a question rather than a specific issue but would it rather be better for the admins to ask that everone have their setting on a specific before taking part in the competition, like everone has to have their settings on REAL, NONE or whatever they decide. Maybe this is the problem here for all I know I am hopelessly wrong just a thought. I can see people who use assists getting mad here as not everyone is able to drive certain cars without them. It is not my intention to get anyone mad just thoughts popping into my head that may or may not help all of us to curb our fussing.

Sometimes you just gotta let your thoughts flow. Respect. Good luck in the next round.

[cluck]

No, my assists are always on in the menu. When I entered the event, I could not turn any of them on or off, despite TC ABS and SC being on in the menu.

1.45's were only reached by the best drivers, so I don't think the tune works. Its just the best were able to cope with it better than the less talented drivers like me. If there is a 5 second laptime difference between default and tuned, I'd say there is an issue. Its the rear axle, its just not right, its the same for the caddy but not as bad. But for the crappy drivers like me, who just want to have a bit of fun its a nightmare. Maybe it works with a steering wheel, but with a pad it feels terrible.It was not possible, in the event itself, to adjust assists - this was brought up on here, I believe, during the Logitech championship and repeated a few times in the two NVidia championship threads. You either ran with them enabled or disabled. If you didn't want TC then you had to disable it in the menus and vice versa.

At least you now know for the next round and can choose whether or not to still take part :)

As for "only the best drivers reached 1m45", well, that's the whole point of the competition :p. The best will adapt to whatever is thrown at them, be that poor weather or, in your eyes, a poor base tune. Who's to say, for example, that a different setup provided will suit you or not get complained about?

On a related note, the default setups for all the cars are 'safe' tunes that should be drivable but are not designed to be 'fast' :).

[cluck]

Joseph, could you please answer these questions now?

1. Will both NCS and LGCS be driven now with assists on 'Real' as the've been on these at the first opening rounds?
2. What is the Date and Time of Day that is used for these events?

And I will tell you another thing we've noticed. We have been testing and practicing a lot for both LGCS and NCS.

I will now only go into NCS, but we feel like it is appropiate to both. We drove some good times in practice and Time Trial. In the events we where close, but not there yet. One of our faster guys, put a lot of Time in the NCS event. First of all we noticed that our faster guys are slower, and our slower guys sometimes faster in these events... But this faster guy, drove All weekend, well more then 20 hours (and practiced at least the same amount). He drove a 36 high, he and we where frustrated. In Time trial on tuesday (after the event) hè drove a 35.3 in Time trial after just 4 Laps! You can check this in the TT leaderboards.

You must understand we are amazed by this! Can you explain? What is going on? Is TT so much faster after all? What is the weather setting?

It would be Nice to hear something from you guys. Maybe it is just us, but I have to admit we've got the feeling something is not 'right' after these experiences. Please give us your feedback?! Would appreciate it.Personally, I think it would be a mistake to reveal the weather conditions before the event. That levels the playing field the moment the event opens. We are all free to practice as much as we like in time trial and/or free practice, but come the day of the event, none of us should have prior knowledge of what is in store.

Different weather along with different levels of 'track rubbering in' will both contribute to differing laptimes. There is also still a question mark over the fuelling in time-trial, whereby it would appear that the amount of fuel in the car setup does affect the time-trial runs, despite the display showing 5L. On a course like Monza, that can have a significant impact. For this event, though, I can state without a shadow of a doubt that changing the fuelling levels had zero effect on my laptimes, the car always ran with the default setup.

EDIT : Just to be clear, these are my opinions as a fellow competitor :).

[Figuur84]

Personally, I think it would be a mistake to reveal the weather conditions before the event. That levels the playing field the moment the event opens. We are all free to practice as much as we like in time trial and/or free practice, but come the day of the event, none of us should have prior knowledge of what is in store.

Different weather along with different levels of 'track rubbering in' will both contribute to differing laptimes. There is also still a question mark over the fuelling in time-trial, whereby it would appear that the amount of fuel in the car setup does affect the time-trial runs, despite the display showing 5L. On a course like Monza, that can have a significant impact. For this event, though, I can state without a shadow of a doubt that changing the fuelling levels had zero effect on my laptimes, the car always ran with the default setup.

EDIT : Just to be clear, these are my opinions as a fellow competitor :).

Well, tbh I can understand you're 'weather-conditions' opinion.

About the fuel issue, I have been testing that as well, and I am with you here too, I did not feel any differences at this event, so that worked well.

Are you saying the track in Time trial is more 'rubbered-in' then there was in this event?

[graveltrap]

Track conditions is supposed to be fixed to the same as TT, his would mean 1st March at 11am with light cloud, there seems to be a bug that changes the weather to clear in the community events well on PS4 anyway.

I assume that the groove remains the same and more rubber is not added as the TT is supposed to be a fixed set of conditions. I seem to remember reading that the rubber on the track is around 80 percent of the possible 100.

[Papand]

Next time we need Monza to be twice as wide to get that Bentley death machine around without crossing these little white lines. But i bow my head in shame and say goodbye to my 22th place. :)

[Figuur84]

Track conditions is supposed to be fixed to the same as TT, his would mean 1st March at 11am with light cloud, there seems to be a bug that changes the weather to clear in the community events well on PS4 anyway.

I assume that the groove remains the same and more rubber is not added as the TT is supposed to be a fixed set of conditions. I seem to remember reading that the rubber on the track is around 80 percent of the possible 100.

Yeah well the difference certenly is not only the difference of light-cloud/clear. For exemple, the shadows on the track are completely different in Time Trial, and the track feels different.

[graveltrap]

I have just had a quick look see on PS4, I set the time and date to fixed and a single weather slot in free practice, with both clear & light cloud it shows 96 Degrees, in TT it shows light cloud and 96F, I have a screen shot from the community event in, it shows clear and 101F so there is something different going on.

So it does appear that the TT settings aren't being carried over to community events at least on PS4.

[saidur9]

Is there anyway to send in chase camera footage of actual lap for review if not contacted by SMS?

[Joseph Barron]

Is there anyway to send in chase camera footage of actual lap for review if not contacted by SMS?

You can PM me a video link, but please do not do this unless we ask you to.

We only need footage from you if we specifically request it.

[saidur9]

You can PM me a video link, but please do not do this unless we ask you to.

We only need footage from you if we specifically request it.
OK, just looking at video of my lap in multiple views and it looks like I'm on track with both wheels while ghost looks like I could be potentially off. Already sent PM yesterday so sorry about that, so no way to look into then if not asked by SMS? I guess I have to be extra cautious next time as actual views can be quite different in appearance than ghost to me.

[Joseph Barron]

OK, just looking at video of my lap in multiple views and it looks like I'm on track with both wheels while ghost looks like I could be potentially off. Already sent PM yesterday so sorry about that, so no way to look into then if not asked by SMS? I guess I have to be extra cautious next time as actual views can be quite different in appearance than ghost to me.

That's correct. We will ask you for footage if our staff agree that your lap might have been marginal. Otherwise the original decision stands as published.

[saidur9]

That's correct. We will ask you for footage if our staff agree that your lap might have been marginal. Otherwise the original decision stands as published.
I wonder why ghost appears narrower while on actual replays it looks different to me. Would appreciate it if at all possible you could have a quick look at my PM from yesterday and let me know why lap is considered off track for better understanding.