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    Quote Originally Posted by FA RACING 01 View Post
    I don't think this is correct
    I don't think either. Simplest way is to change gearing, you'll instantly notice that TT does use your current setup.

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    Thanks for the good explanation, how to make a Good Setup.

    Will Post my setup Problems in the Right Area, to keep this Thread from it!
    Last edited by Teruk0801; 12-05-2015 at 17:58.

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    Just noticed this thread, awesome.

    Thanks to the OP and to all who have contributed info on tuning. It is much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teruk0801 View Post
    I have a Problem with my Setups. I can see the Setup in the Garage and it is correct.
    But if i start a Raceday (Career) and go there in the Garage, it is a completly different Setup. With this Setup my cars only drive 135 km/h. If i restore defaults now in the Garage (Racedayevent) i get another Setup, but not the Setup i made. Think that is the Gamedefault Setup for the Car. I can change it now and save it, go on Tarck and drive as Example the Training. If i switch now to Quali. I get the broken setup back and must restore defaults again and do again all changes. But i never get the Setup i saved in the Garage(Menu not Raceday), i saved the Setups there for all Tracks.

    Somone know what i can do?
    Here is what Eric Bergeret [WMD member] answered on a similar question in another thread -

    sometime i don't get my setup back too:
    hope this help, enter setup, back, re- enter setup, now everything should be ok. "first thing you notice when is wrong is the tyre preasure"
    that method work for me, if you do a pit stop renember to do a pit strategy and also wait the engineer call or call the pit yourself, whitout calling them i get wrong fuel or setup* sometime "or is default pit stop, anyway it's not the good one

    Hope it helps mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo Zampatti View Post
    Wilfred, two things:

    1) Once again, awesome job!
    2) Can you edit the first post and keep it updated there?

    1) Thank You everyone for the positive feedback, once we finsih part 3 we then move onto do case studies to demonstrate how to setup cars for different tracks. im also currently planning a few other series to do tuning as well.
    2) Hi i spoke with Remco Van Dijk and unfortunately there's a cap on the max amount of videos so i will have to post the video further down and link them there as the video account will far exceed the cap.
    unless you can some how allow me to insert some placeholder posts between the OP and the second post. I haven't encountered this problem on wmd when i post them there under willfred-1. However i haven't tried to collate them over there.
    Last edited by willfred_TandZproduction; 12-05-2015 at 17:36.

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    Very nice guide !!


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    Quote Originally Posted by durino69 View Post
    Hi to all new Project C.A.R.S friends.

    @willfred great idea to get familiar with car set-ups. looking forward to seeing other videos.

    This is from another thread and it helped me a lot with understanding what to look for and how to set up a car. Also note this was from another Sim made by SimBin, but still applies to pCARS. Hope it will be helpful for you guys.

    At the end there are some common questions which are answered by couple of FIA GT race car drivers.


    Pressure - Adjusts overall force applied on the brakes. At 100%, full force will be applied to the brakes. When the best percentage of brake pressure is applied for a car for a specific circuit, the brakes are less likely to lock up when cornering.
    Bias - Adjusts the balance of braking pressure between the front and the rear brakes.
    Duct - Increases or decreases the duct to adjust the brake temperature. Too cool or too warm brakes are less efficient, not stopping/slowing the car as quickly.

    Radiator Opening - Adjusts the air flow to radiator, which helps cool the engine. Monitors water and oil temperatures. If they are higher than 100c, increase the air flow to the radiator. The larger the opening, the cooler the engine will run, making it safer to run at higher RPMs.

    Tyre Temperature and Pressure Readouts (Centre Screen) Detail of tyre temperature and pressure readouts
    View the tyre temperatures and pressure for each of the four tyres. For tyres on the left side of the car, the upper numbers represent temperature for the outside, middle, and inside of the tyre. For tyres on the right side of the car, the upper numbers represent temperatures for the inside, middle, and outside of the tyre. The bottom number is the tyre pressure of each tyre as of the last time the car was on the grid/circuit. Tyre temperature and pressure impact how well the car grips the road, which in turn affects how well the car handles. For more detail on this, see the sections on Tyre Pressure and Camber. In Simulation mode, it takes approximately 2-3 laps for the tyre temperature and pressure to equalize for maximum grip and pressure gradients.

    Water Readout - Temperature of the car’s water cooling system. Try to keep this temperature under 100C. Air temperature extremes can affect the water cooling system. To adjust water temperature, use a smaller or larger radiator opening.
    Oil Readout - Temperature of the car’s oil. Temperature will change during practice and qualifying sessions. Try to keep this under 100C. Oil temperature is tied to the water temperature and its radiator opening. To adjust oil temperature, use a smaller or larger radiator opening.

    Tyre Pressure - Adjusts the amount of air pressure in the tyres. Tyre pressure affects car control as well as tyre wear. Each tyre has an optimum amount of pressure at which it yields the most grip. Decreasing or increasing the pressure from this point lessens the grip. Ideally, the optimum pressure is when the centre tyre temperature is the average of the inner + outer tyre
    temperatures once the tyre gets up to operating temperature (about 85-95C). This usually takes 2-3 laps. Additionally, the higher the pressure, the stiffer the car will be.

    Fast Bump - Controls the rapid upward movement of this suspension corner following bumps and curbs. This Bump is described as “Fast” because the damper is moving up (compressing) in a rapid motion, usually above 100mm/sec (use telemetry). So this adjustment controls how a tyre conforms to the road as it’s negotiating the leading edge-to-peak of a bump or road undulation. If you find the car pushing to the outside of the track in a “skating” fashion over bumps, then soften (lower) this setting. If the car floats and changes direction erratically, then stiffen (higher) this setting. When in doubt, go softer.

    Slow Bump - Controls the mild UPWARD movement of this suspension corner caused by a driver input (steering, braking, throttle). This Bump is described as “Slow” because the damper is moving up (compressing) in a slow motion, usually below 70mm/sec damper speed (use telemetry). Used to affect chassis balance while we are transitioning into, and out, of the corners. Decreasing this number will speed up how quickly a corner accepts weight transfer while we are transitioning. Increasing will slow it down.

    Fast Rebound - Controls the rapid DOWNWARD movement of this suspension corner following bumps and curbs. This Rebound is described as “Fast” because this damper is moving down (extending) in a rapid motion, usually above 100mm/sec (use telemetry). So this adjustment controls how a tyre conforms to the road as it’s negotiating the peakto- trailing edge of a bump or road undulation. If the fast bump setting has been changed, then it’s usually a good idea to change fast rebound in a similar manner.

    Slow Rebound - Controls the mild DOWNWARD movement of this suspension corner caused by a driver input (steering, braking, throttle). This Rebound is described as “Slow” because the damper is moving down (extending) in a slow motion, usually below 70mm/ sec damper speed (use telemetry). Used to affect chassis balance while transitioning into, and out, of the corners. Decreasing this number will speed up how quickly this corner gives up - or “sheds” - weight transfer while we are transitioning. Increasing this setting will slow it down.

    Springs - Adjusts the tension of the springs. Less tension (or softer springs) yields better grip but slows response time to driver input. More tension (or stiffer springs) makes the car respond more quickly to driver input, but yields less grip.

    Camber - Adjusts the angle of the wheel in relation to the driving surface. Negative camber makes the top of the tyres tilt inward towards the centre of the chassis, and helps give better grip through the corners. Though used less frequently, positive camber means that the wheels tilt outward, which gives some stability in a straight line but less grip when cornering. For road racing cars, only negative camber is used.
    Ideal camber can be tuned using tyre temperatures as the guide. The inner tyre temperatures should be about 7-10c hotter than the outer tyre temperatures, slightly less at the
    rear. The amount of (negative) camber used will vary, based on the type of suspension and amount of roll resistance (springs and antiroll bars) used in the set-up. The stiffer the roll resistance, the less negative camber needed. The less efficient the suspension, the more negative camber needed.

    Caster - Adjust the degree the tyre leans forward or back at the top of the wheel. Caster increases or decreases directional stability. Positive caster provides the directional stability, yet too much positive caster makes steering more difficult. Negative caster requires less steering effort but can cause the car to wander down straights.

    Ride Height - Adjusts how high the bottom of the car is off of the ground. The lower the ride height, the tighter the suspension, and the lower the car’s centre of gravity will be. Adjusting the ride height too low can make bumpy tracks tricky because the car is more likely to bottom out.

    Splitter - Adjusts the level of downforce applied by the splitter. Adds front-end grip at speed. The higher the number, the more air the front wing deflects, and the more downforce
    and drag (slowing top speed). There are only two choices: High-speed (setting of 1) and Normal (setting of 2). At most tracks, using normal (2) is recommended, but at Monza, high speed (1) is recommended.

    Wing - Adjusts the level of downforce at the rear of the car, and is the main adjustment for aerodynamic balance. After deciding on a front splitter, use the rear wing to dial-in
    the aerodynamic balance. Total amount of adjustment is 10 for NGT cars and 12 for GT cars. For splitter setting “1”, select a wing setting of 4-7. For splitter setting “2”, select a wing setting of 8-12. The greater the rear wing setting, the more aero drag, which slows top speed.

    Toe-in (Front and Rear) - Adjusts the degree the front of the wheels angle towards or away from each other. This affects the directional stability and initial corner turn-in. On the front, the preferred set-up is usually a slight amount of toe-out (negative settings), as this helps turn-in.
    On the rear, the preferred set-up is usually toe-in (positive settings) as toe-out createsinstability.
    Too much toe (positive or negative) can slow the car down with increased rolling drag.
    Too much toe-in in either direction causes understeer and tyre wear. As this is not a major setup tweak, the default settings are recommended.

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    When braking after a long straight for a very slow turn, the car locks the wheels/brakes and starts sliding in forward motion.
    HR: I would adjust the brakes more to the rear.
    CB: Turn the brake bias bar to that end of the car which is not locking; reduce camber, reduce anti drive and/or antilift; softer antiroll bars.
    SBDT: Move the brake bias further to the rear or brake earlier.

    The car understeers in medium and high speed turns.
    HR: . It could be many things but first I would see if lowering the rear wing helps, because it also helps the car reach its top speed.
    CB: Reduce front ride height; reduce rear wing
    SBDT: Either increase the front splitter setting or reduce the rear wing angle. Further fine tuning could be done with the rake angle of the chassis. This would be facilitated by changes to the rideheight, which ideally should be at least an inch higher at the rear. As with all other settings though, this will affect other aspects of the setup.

    The car spins when I start applying the accelerator after passing an apex (presumably
    in a flat out zone).
    HR: This could result from many different things. Soften the low speed on the rear and follow up on loser antiroll bar rear. WARNING: Could give high speed understeer if over done.
    CB: Reduce antisquat, soften rear damper, lower speed bump, increase rear toe in.
    SBDT: Try decreasing the differential lock to aid power delivery here. Alternately, try softening the rear slow bump settings on the shocks in combination with more front slow rebound settings and stiffening the front antiroll bar.

    The car looses grip/balance on bumpy areas of track.
    HR: Your car could have too hard springs, or to much high speed bump.
    CB: Softer springs, soften rear damper and high speed bump.
    SBDT: Initially, softer springs would be a solution, but with softer springs, the ride height should be increased as well because the suspension travel would be greater as would the likelihood of bottoming out on bad bumps. For example, Donington at the bottom of Craner curves has a bumpy section where if the springs are too soft you need a considerable amount more ride height to compensate. Additionally, some fine tuning with the fast bump and fast rebound to the balance would probably be needed.

    Remember: Bump: How quickly the chassis is allowed to move down
    Rebound: How quickly the chassis is allowed to move up

    What is the difference between different tyre brands and compounds? Why are my hard tyres so cold and why do my soft tyres overheat and wear quickly? What are the optimum tyre temperatures?
    HR: The difference in tyre manufacturing is a well-kept secret and changes from year to year. Optimum tyre temp is 80C with no more than 10 degrees difference from inside to outside of tyre.
    CB: Different tyre brands have different constructions and different compouds: a soft compound (soft tyre) provides more grip and the tyre surface has to do more deformation work and so becomes hotter; the higher the temperature the more grip and the more wear; optimum temperature is 80-100C.
    SBDT: Dunlop:
    Most forgiving, heats up quickly, more low-speed grip with higher fall off at high loads.
    Needs most camber of the bunch. Softest spring rate. Medium wear. Highest rolling drag.
    Peak temperature of 99C.
    The most precise tyre. Needs least amount of camber. Heats up relatively quickly (but a bit more slowly than the Dunlops). Features average grip with low fall off at high loads.
    Stiffest tyre with highest spring rate. Lowest rolling drag. Best wear. Peak temperature of 99C. Probably the fastest over long runs.
    Pirelli: Highest base grip once it gets up to temperature. This is the most sensitive tyre to temperature, so it feels like it takes a bit longer to warm up. Medium rolling drag, medium stiffness spring rate. Worst wear. Peak temperature of 105C.
    If you choose the wrong compound for the conditions, the tyre temp guage will tell you that. Optimum temp ranges are 85-105C usually. If you are too far out of this range with a MEDUIM tyre choice, then think about
    changing compounds. If the temps seem low (under 75C), switch to a SOFT compound.
    If the temps run high (over 110C), use a HARD tyre compound. Allow 4 or 5 laps for the tyres to really get up to their operating temperature.
    The soft tyres wear the most quickly even if you have the temperature within range; the mediums less and the hards the least. Keep in mind that softer tyres at 110C aren’t always faster than the next harder compound at 85C.
    Soft - To be used in qualifying or in cold conditions. Also some of the rear-heavy cars can use a soft front combined with a harder rear to good effect.
    Meduim - The most common choice. Gives the best combination of grip and heat.
    Hard - Used when it is very hot out. Also sometimes used on the rear of a heavy car, or when you need maximum life out of your tyre and are willing to sacrifice a little grip.
    The optimum tyre temperatures are 85-105C for Dunlops and Michelin, 90-110C for Pirelli’s.

    What are toe-in/toe-out settings and how will they physically affect the handling of my car?
    HR: Toe-in makes your car a little bit more steady during braking, and toe-out makes it steer into the corner a little better.
    CB: Toe-in: Wheels aligned in a way that they are pointing inwards; toe-in generally increases lateral grip - but also increases tyre temperatures and rolling resistance; stabilizes car under braking.
    Toe-out: Wheels aligned in a way that they are pointing outwards; front toe-out improves turn in.
    SBDT: Having the front wheels toe out slightly can improve turn in response into corners, also can settle the front end down the straights reducing the tendency for the car to wander, Ideally a small amount for example –0.50 would be a good starting point.

    What are antiroll bar settings and how will they affect handling of the car?
    HR: The setting of the Viper is hard in the front and medium in the back.
    CB: Antiroll bars influence the dynamic wheel loads. Different settings provide different wheel load distributions and so different handling characteristics. Basically, stiffer front antiroll bar gives more understeer and stiffer rear antiroll bar gives more oversteer and vice versa.
    SBDT: Stiff antiroll bars give the chassis a more rigid, direct feel and promote faster tyre degradation compared with softer settings. Softer settings may have a looser feel, but can improve the car’s control by reducing the speed of the weight transfer (how quickly the chassis will respond to inputs from the driver controls), though it may not be precise enough for a fast chicane where fast weight transfer is more desirable. Ideally the front antiroll bar would always be around 70% more than what the rear is set to.

    I never reach to use the 6th gear, what’s wrong with my setup?
    HR: In this case I would say change the gear ratio. Could also be too much wing sometimes.
    CB: Too long gear ratios; individual gears or final drive or drop gear.
    SBDT: The 6th gear ratio is too long. Reduce this so the RPM peaks in 6th gear at the end of the longest straight at the track, then evenly space the other ratios to suit..

    What is the relation of tyre outer/centre/inner temperatures? What should I try to achieve for best grip and wear?
    HR: No more than 10 degrees difference.
    CB: The camber setting is the main factor governing tyre temperature spread; the temperature spread should not be more than 10-15 degrees different.
    SBDT: Tyre temperature should always be balanced across the tyre for optimum grip and wear. To balance the outer and inner temperatures, adjust camber. To balance the centre temperature, adjust tyre pressure.

    What do “hard and soft suspension settings” mean? Why are they called that and how does it affect the car?
    HR: Hard setting should be used on quick and very smooth tracks; soft should be used on narrow and bumpy tracks.
    CB: Hard means stiff springs and/or stiff damper settings. Soft means soft springs and/or soft damper settings. Stiff suspension settings provide less mechanical grip but provide more stable aerodynamics and better driveability.
    SBDT: A soft spring will give the chassis a more sloppy feel but be more predictable in most circumstances. The only reason to really use a stiffer spring is to stop the car from bottoming out on larger bumps or to speed up the response of the chassis from driver input.

    My tyres are gone after 2 laps, how can I make them last longer?
    HR: Check the tyre temperature. It could be that you have too much air pressure. Other possible tweaks would be making the fast bump softer, and using a harder tyre compound.
    CB: Harder tyre compound, softer springs.
    SBDT: A combination of events could be the cause of this. Firstly, a really stiff chassis would cause excessive wear on the tyres, so using softer suspension settings would be kinder to the tyres. Secondly, over driving the car could contribute to tyre wear. Lastly, having the wrong tyre compound selected would also contribute to excessive tyre wear.
    Tyres need to be kept within the specified operating temperatures for optimum wear and grip.

    I made changes to some settings, how do I know if they work or not?
    CB: Compare laptime, driver comment and recorded data (runs to be under comparable conditions.)
    SBDT: Change one setting at a time, then test for at least 3 – 5 laps to learn the effect on your car before making the next change.

    How do I know how much fuel I have to put in the car for the race?
    CB: Calculate lap consumption out of the fuel used in the practise sessions. Lap consumption x number of race laps = required fuel.
    SBDT: At the main garage screen on the right hand side near the top, the race length in laps is shown. Always add some more laps in the strategy just to be safe, as how the car is driven will also affect the economy of the car.

    What are the differences between the Power/Coast differential settings?
    CB: The power differential setting gives the differential locking rate when accelerating. The coast differential setting gives the differential locking rate when braking.
    SBDT: The power side is the amount, or percentage, that is used to lock the inside and outside tyres together when accelerating, such as when exiting a corner. The Coast side is doing the same, but when you are off of the throttle, such as when entering a corner. The Pre-load is the amount of lock built in before any acceleration/deceleration effects take place, such as in a neutral throttle condition.

    My car understeers at low speed, but oversteers at high speed.
    HR: Soften the antiroll bar front and more wing in the back.
    CB: Try softer front antiroll bar or softer front springs and more rear wing and lower rear ride height.
    SBDT: There is more than one possible reason for this, but in general, the lower speed handling is controlled by the springs, sway bars, and the higher speed handling is dominated by the aerodynamics. In this case, stiffen the rear springs or antiroll bars to address the low-speed understeer, and increase the rear wing to combat the high-speed oversteer.

    What are the different Aero adjustments and their effects on the car?
    HR: You can work with the wing in the back and a smaller or wider rear diffuser. In the front you can adjust the inner wing in the bumper.
    CB: Ride height, Rake (difference between front and rear ride height), Wing setting, and size of gurney.
    Low ride height = more downforce.
    Higher rake - downforce balance moves to the front.
    More rear wing - more rear downfore, more drag--> less top speed
    Bigger gurney - more rear downforce, more drag--> less top speed.
    SBDT: Front Splitter - Adds front downforce. Basically there are only two splitters. One is for high-speed Monza (low drag / less downforce) and the other is for everywhere else. The splitter isn’t used to fine tune the aerodynamic balance but rather sets the basic approach to the aerodynamic setup. High-speed = 1. Normal = 2.
    Rear wing - Fine tune your aero balance. There are 12 wing adjustments. With a front splitter setting of (1) use wing settings of 4-7. For a front splitter setting of (2) use wing settings of 9-12.
    Ride height - These control the underbody downforce, which is considerable on the GT cars and a lot less on the NGT’s. The ride height and the “pitch” or “rake” of the car (difference between the front and rear ride height) control the amount of downforce. In general, you want the ride height as low as possible, plus a slight forward pitch for maximum effect. To achieve this on-track usually requires the rear ride height to be 20-25mm higher than the front when setting it in the garage. The NGT’s can get away with 15mm difference. Having a “pitch up” condition will cause the car to lose a lot of the underbody downforce, so avoid this. Additionally, if the car comes down and touches the track, the air underneath will “stall” and you’ll abruptly loose all underbody downforce!

    When do you alter the fast bump or slow bump rates, and what effect do those have on handling?
    HR: The slow bump works more on the whole car’s movement, almost like the rollbars, and the fast bump works more on track-related bumps.
    CB: Slow bump setting controls the chassis movements under braking, cornering, and acceleration.
    SBDT: Fast Damping Adjustment - You adjust fast bump if the car’s handling is causing problems over bumpy sections of the track or riding the curbs. You want the fast bump setting just soft enough to absorb these undulations, but not so soft as to compromise the length of time the chassis takes to settle over these conditions. If you find the car understeering soften the FRONT fast bump and bring the fast rebound down along with it. If you find the car oversteering over the bumps, then soften the REAR fast bump and rebound. If you find that the whole car just skates to the outside of the corner (neither end first), then soften all four dampers. If the car seems not to notice the bumps at all then stiffen the shocks until a problem is felt, then back off a click or two.
    Slow Damping Adjustment - Slow damping is mainly used for affecting the transitional balance of the racecar as it is forced to change direction - or attitude - away from any steady-state condition. This is anything having to do with the driver inputs. Steering, braking, and accelerating. The most common adjustments for slow damping is to cure contradictory handling of the racecar from the entrance to the exit of a corner, such as
    when the car understeers on the entrance to a corner, yet oversteers on the exit. The slow bump adjustments will be the main contributors to these handling adjustments. To cure understeer on entrance only soften the front slow bump, or stiffen the rear slow rebound. To cure oversteer on corner entrance stiffen the front bumps, or soften the rear rebounds. To Cure power exit oversteer, soften the rear slow bump, or stiffen the front slow rebound.

    Regards: durino69
    Wow , thanks alot for all the time you put in to typing this , but for XBOX ONE console users that use the controller this is pointless untill it is fully patched. (yes it is worth to say this because we all know we got the BETA release)

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    Can you please stop quoting 300 lines of text just to add a 2 line response? I mean why do I even need to write something so obvious?
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    One Question, i read the Guide and watch the the Guides on Youtube. There it says, lowering preasure of tyres will lower temperature of the Tyres. I tessted it, and if i lower the Preasure of the Tyres, the Temperature of the Tyres goes up and not down.
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    Tyres are a funny thing.. you can't go too low as they will create a lot of heat from being under-inflated and flexing the sidewalls. Over-inflated tyres will over heat by building pressure. There is actually a very small window that you have to find to make the tyres optimum.
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