Let's design the ultimate racing simulation game

[dault3883]

Cars that deteriorate with age and use, maintenance and repairs needed to keep them in tip top racing condition.

Engine and component swaps from cars made from the same manufacturer.

i think gran turismo 3 and 4 had this over time you had to do an oil change

but i dont remember if it made any difference in the performance of the car if you did an oil change or not

[cluck]

Stick a Saab 9.3 in the game and I'm sold.

Actually, I really just want fully customisable units of measure, it's the one thing that annoyed me in both pCARS1 and 2, this whole "metric or imperial" selection thing. I wanted a mix of units that didn't fit into an either / or pigeonhole.

Oh and an autocross style area for just messing around in and exploring what a car is capable of.

Other than that, I'm easily pleased. Give me a bunch of exciting circuits to race on, give me a bunch of exciting cars to race in and give me the means to do that offline and online and I'm a happy chicken. Oh and if you can give me some sort of single player system that makes me feel like I'm part of a racing team and have some good old fashioned "bad guys" on the track that I can go "boo hiss" at, then I'm sold (like GRID I guess, I had a huge amount of fun in that game back in the day)

I don't really do ideas, I think the autocross and units ideas were the only ones I (along with one or two others) put forward during the whole of WMD1 and WMD2. I also have no idea how to create a game that caters for a wide audience, so I don't envy anybody trying to take that task on.

[hkraft300]

That's where PC3 does shine for me compared to every other title atm. The vehicles are drivable in dry and wet conditions and are recoverable like real life unless you push too hard.

Even though the tires and fuel are an issue for some. Most sims considered "hardcore" and nearly impossible to recover from a loss of traction have the option to turn those features off.
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Most sim racers can't F=ma but every pcars is simcade

I'd also very much like period correct tyres on the classics without a sticky tyre option.

I wouldn't be playing GT Sport because I preferred the physics, but because it's the only competitive system on console for racing. ... .

+1 haven't played GTS but gt5 and 6 online, the lobby host options, was good. Except, like you've mentioned, I'd opt for a few classes with good, tight BoP for competitive racing. Gt3/e/4, LMP /dpi, formula cars.

I don't think I'd like lobby host to have BoP options especially on those classes.

Thats a point that I like about AMS2: many tracks come with several layouts of different eras.

This would be interesting in racing classics on period correct tracks. Some cars on period correct tracks suddenly make sense.

One thing I would love is access to highly detailed, saveable telemetry for every session that you want the data from.. with the ability to export that data to a seperate two-way app for analysis and set up tweaks that can be sent back to the game via UDP.

+1

i think gran turismo 3 and 4 had this over time you had to do an oil change

It did if you left it long enough. Loss of Hp over time.

[r_outsider]

One thing I really like from FM7 that I'd like in this ultimate game, is tuning from the pause screen in test drive mode, saves a ton of time. Also, although I really don't care for the idea of rewinds in a race, having them available when you're trying to nail a setup is very handy. While this is obviously not "sim" in any way, shape or form, I think it's fair to point out that in a game, we don't have 25 people working full time on a single car, either.

Expanding on PC2's engineer, it would be awesome if the engineer would actually suggest setup changes.

[dault3883]

One thing I really like from FM7 that I'd like in this ultimate game, is tuning from the pause screen in test drive mode, saves a ton of time. Also, although I really don't care for the idea of rewinds in a race, having them available when you're trying to nail a setup is very handy. While this is obviously not "sim" in any way, shape or form, I think it's fair to point out that in a game, we don't have 25 people working full time on a single car, either.

Expanding on PC2's engineer, it would be awesome if the engineer would actually suggest setup changes.

not to mention not every one understands setups and what to adjust to make the car do what they want it to do

[Sum Dixon-Ear]

Expanding on PC2's engineer, it would be awesome if the engineer would actually suggest setup changes.

This could be integrated into a telemetry diagnosis app... an engineer to suggest setup tweaks and apply them would be an awesome feature. Even if implemented in a relatively simple manner; e.g. gearing optimisation, aero, ride heights and recommended settings for dampers and springs per track. From a well optimised base setup, the player could tweak personal preferences in a less daunting manner; e.g. anti-roll bars, steering rack etc.

[dault3883]

This could be integrated into a telemetry diagnosis app... an engineer to suggest setup tweaks and apply them would be an awesome feature. Even if implemented in a relatively simple manner; e.g. gearing optimisation, aero, ride heights and recommended settings for dampers and springs per track. From a well optimised base setup, the player could tweak personal preferences in a less daunting manner; e.g. anti-roll bars, steering rack etc.

again not every one understands telemetry id rather have the engineer suggesting setup changes be apart of a game rather than an app i would never use

reading telemetry to me is like trying to read Ancient Native American cave paintings

[Konan]

again not every one understands telemetry id rather have the engineer suggesting setup changes be apart of a game rather than an app i would never use

reading telemetry to me is like trying to read Ancient Native American cave paintings

It's not a matter of what you like or not though, this is a suggestion thread to design everyone's personal game... It's not like that will be even possible

... And if it was, you can decide to not use that option as well...

[Sum Dixon-Ear]

again not every one understands telemetry id rather have the engineer suggesting setup changes be apart of a game rather than an app i would never use

reading telemetry to me is like trying to read Ancient Native American cave paintings

I understand that, but if you want to get the most from a full-blooded motorsport sim then, at least, a rudimentary understanding of telemetry and car setups is desirable... if not essential.

There are a plethora of great videos and flow charts out there as a good starting point; Yorkie's pC2 guides are excellent for example.

Most sim racers enjoy working on setups, always searching for the perfect combination to squeeze the best performance from their cars according to their driving styles, preferences and individual nuances.

In-depth telemetry is a massive help in that regard, you can see exactly where you can lower the car by another millimetre or optimise a single gear ratio.

I would also love the ability to be able to compare telemetry data with other drivers as well.

[dault3883]

It's not a matter of what you like or not though, this is a suggestion thread to design everyone's personal game... It's not like that will be even possible

... And if it was, you can decide to not use that option as well...

all i said was to have the engineer suggested setup changes part be apart of the game rather than a third party app thats all

i said it nicely too and i was injecting my opinion which is exactly as you stated this thread is about